Ookii Onnanoko wa Suki Desu ka? - Vol. 5 Ch. 39
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What part of most men or not everybody was hard to understand?
What part of most men or not everybody was hard to understand?
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@criver Somehow, I don't think that the weird things they have done is more exaggerated and unrealistic then ONE girl screwing 90+% of the sports team members, male or female, in the school. But hey, I guess shaving pubic hair, armpit hair, cross-dressing, and some fetish plays are more exaggerated, let alone unrealistic than that. Just saying.
Anyway, my main reason for even tagging you in a comment was how you just had this assumption that most men would fight to screw the school slut. That's ridiculous. Just like how most women are turned off by fuckboi's, most men wouldn't want their jimmy near a girl that has literally screwed half the school. That isn't to say that if she came on to them they and knew she was "clean" they wouldn't have sex. But only a select few guys, mostly fuckbois and guys that want an easy quicky because they can't actually get laid would actually actively pursue such a woman to get laid.
I'm not trying to turn this into some kind of argument. I understand why you would say that, but at the same time, if you are actually basing your thoughts on reality, that just isn't true.
Anyway, my main reason for even tagging you in a comment was how you just had this assumption that most men would fight to screw the school slut. That's ridiculous. Just like how most women are turned off by fuckboi's, most men wouldn't want their jimmy near a girl that has literally screwed half the school. That isn't to say that if she came on to them they and knew she was "clean" they wouldn't have sex. But only a select few guys, mostly fuckbois and guys that want an easy quicky because they can't actually get laid would actually actively pursue such a woman to get laid.
I'm not trying to turn this into some kind of argument. I understand why you would say that, but at the same time, if you are actually basing your thoughts on reality, that just isn't true.
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I would agree with you if she was simply a generic slut character. But you are disregarding all of her other qualities based on that. There is the fact that she is considered a 11/10 (at least as far as I can tell from the manga). She's at the top not only in terms of appearance, but also in terms of abilities, intelligence, and demeanour in some aspect. On the other hand we have teenage boys with raging hormones. So I think it's pretty plausible that most of them will try to have sex with her if they have the chance.
Very few men would refuse to have sex with a woman they find attractive, especially if there are no negative consequences. So the teens with raging hormones never stood a chance really. You are of course free to try and change my mind that most men would not try and have sex with someone they find attractive. It just seems illogical to refuse something that will benefit both parties.
I would agree with you if she was simply a generic slut character. But you are disregarding all of her other qualities based on that. There is the fact that she is considered a 11/10 (at least as far as I can tell from the manga). She's at the top not only in terms of appearance, but also in terms of abilities, intelligence, and demeanour in some aspect. On the other hand we have teenage boys with raging hormones. So I think it's pretty plausible that most of them will try to have sex with her if they have the chance.
Very few men would refuse to have sex with a woman they find attractive, especially if there are no negative consequences. So the teens with raging hormones never stood a chance really. You are of course free to try and change my mind that most men would not try and have sex with someone they find attractive. It just seems illogical to refuse something that will benefit both parties.
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@criver You said it yourself. If they have the chance to. which I agreed with when I said if she came onto them. But, that doesn't mean they are going to actively get into arguments and fight other guys to have sex with her. And in reality, guys would have a natural repulsion to such women, if they knew what she's actually like. Again, except for the select few horney guys that couldn't actually get laid. My main reason for saying that is because she seemed to do it intermittently with anyone at any time. So this wasn't her having sex with a different person now and again. But like on a daily basis.
Also, I did say if you are basing your thoughts in reality. No such woman exists in reality where she is this big of a horney slut willing to screw everyone, regardless of looks or character, with all of those "exceptional" qualities she has. Sure, we have high-end women and men that are loose and are promiscuous. But even they wouldn't have sex with anyone just because they are horney. Basically, for every top class quality she has, she has absolutely zero self-control and I want to say self-respect but, that's not the word I'm looking for. Honestly, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of her is nymphs. It's like a psychological reason she has with sex. It's no longer want but, she NEEDS to have sex.
But yea, I get your points. When it comes to the manga I can kind of agree with it. But, I just don't see guys, in reality, jumping for a chance to have sex with a woman like her. She, as you said, is just exaggerated to an extreme level.
Also, I did say if you are basing your thoughts in reality. No such woman exists in reality where she is this big of a horney slut willing to screw everyone, regardless of looks or character, with all of those "exceptional" qualities she has. Sure, we have high-end women and men that are loose and are promiscuous. But even they wouldn't have sex with anyone just because they are horney. Basically, for every top class quality she has, she has absolutely zero self-control and I want to say self-respect but, that's not the word I'm looking for. Honestly, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of her is nymphs. It's like a psychological reason she has with sex. It's no longer want but, she NEEDS to have sex.
But yea, I get your points. When it comes to the manga I can kind of agree with it. But, I just don't see guys, in reality, jumping for a chance to have sex with a woman like her. She, as you said, is just exaggerated to an extreme level.
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You argue that most guys would be repulsed, based on some moral or cultural grounds. I on the other hand don't believe that the majority of men, and especially teenage boys are so sexually repressed as you make them out to be. I don't see any other reason why they would decline a good time, except for their superego due to cultural factors. If you can provide a better rationale, for declining something beneficial for both parties, be my guest.
Also contrary to your belief, men do fight over women - but I don't need to tell you that. And the 'better' the woman the higher the chance. Her qualities put her in the idealized almost unreal category, so it is understandable why they are fighting over her. The fact that they are teens, that haven't yet learned how to control their emotions and urges certainly does help with that.
Seems like you just can't believe that there are hypersexual people. However hypersexuality is a medical fact, so whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. So your statement is wrong even without taking into account that the author exaggerates often.
You argue that most guys would be repulsed, based on some moral or cultural grounds. I on the other hand don't believe that the majority of men, and especially teenage boys are so sexually repressed as you make them out to be. I don't see any other reason why they would decline a good time, except for their superego due to cultural factors. If you can provide a better rationale, for declining something beneficial for both parties, be my guest.
Also contrary to your belief, men do fight over women - but I don't need to tell you that. And the 'better' the woman the higher the chance. Her qualities put her in the idealized almost unreal category, so it is understandable why they are fighting over her. The fact that they are teens, that haven't yet learned how to control their emotions and urges certainly does help with that.
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@criver, Welp, I just lost all enthusiasm for this convo. Pretty sure I stated that she is like a nymph in the sense that it's no longer a want but a need to have sex. But, hey thanks for missing that entire point. I also stated that there are loose and promiscuous men and women but fuck it, you're too good for that. Even more ridiculous is how all of a sudden we're talking about hypersexuality and it's irrelevant whether I believe in it or not. Thanks for that.
Damn straight I argue men are turned off by the fact a woman fucked half the school. That's not sexual repression nor some moral standing. It's the desire to be the only one to fuck her and knowing that most of the guys you talk to have been inside of her, on multiple occasions, isn't exactly appealing. Again, my point being that they ACTIVELY pursue her. But if she showed up out nowhere and ripped their dick out of their pants and it wasn't unwanted, ya, I agree 97% of men would still have sex with her. The three percent being those that genuinely don't want to have sex, those in a relationship, and those that are gay. I could also argue that if a good looking man was wooing a not so sex driven woman, even knowing he is a fuckboi, she would still have sex with him if she found him attractive. That's just nature at work.
I NEVER said men don't fight over women. I said that unless you're a horney little bastard or someone that can't get laid, men are not going to be throwing down to have sex with the biggest slut in school. Get your head out of the clouds. My point still stands: No such woman exists in reality. There is no woman that is an 11/10 with looks, temperament, abilities and such quality that were she to have sex with half the school when she is only 15-16 years old, that men would be lining up to have sex with her and even fight over her. Only those that are horney af would even attempt to seek her out. Apparently, to you, men only think of sex.
I'm out. This turned into something ridiculous.
Damn straight I argue men are turned off by the fact a woman fucked half the school. That's not sexual repression nor some moral standing. It's the desire to be the only one to fuck her and knowing that most of the guys you talk to have been inside of her, on multiple occasions, isn't exactly appealing. Again, my point being that they ACTIVELY pursue her. But if she showed up out nowhere and ripped their dick out of their pants and it wasn't unwanted, ya, I agree 97% of men would still have sex with her. The three percent being those that genuinely don't want to have sex, those in a relationship, and those that are gay. I could also argue that if a good looking man was wooing a not so sex driven woman, even knowing he is a fuckboi, she would still have sex with him if she found him attractive. That's just nature at work.
I NEVER said men don't fight over women. I said that unless you're a horney little bastard or someone that can't get laid, men are not going to be throwing down to have sex with the biggest slut in school. Get your head out of the clouds. My point still stands: No such woman exists in reality. There is no woman that is an 11/10 with looks, temperament, abilities and such quality that were she to have sex with half the school when she is only 15-16 years old, that men would be lining up to have sex with her and even fight over her. Only those that are horney af would even attempt to seek her out. Apparently, to you, men only think of sex.
I'm out. This turned into something ridiculous.
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Well, pretty sure i know how Shorta will help Ruri-chan with her trauma.
@Akemua
You seem to have taken this a bit too personally but that tends to happen when people discuss sensitive topics. You are free to 'lose interest' in the convo, that won't stop me from challenging your statements however.
I considered your point regarding promiscuity, it just didn't fit in with your disbelief that an attractive woman can also be hypersexual. Unless you provide data of a negative correlation between attractiveness, abilities and libido, I don't think that your statement is consistent. And yes, your beliefs (as are mine) are irrelevant if there are facts that trump them.
You seem to have taken this a bit too personally but that tends to happen when people discuss sensitive topics. You are free to 'lose interest' in the convo, that won't stop me from challenging your statements however.
This is not something agreed upon concerning hypersexuality. So you can't state as a fact that it is a need rather than a want.
I considered your point regarding promiscuity, it just didn't fit in with your disbelief that an attractive woman can also be hypersexual. Unless you provide data of a negative correlation between attractiveness, abilities and libido, I don't think that your statement is consistent. And yes, your beliefs (as are mine) are irrelevant if there are facts that trump them.
Actually this is exactly what constitutes sexual repression, read up on it. In this case we are talking about a social construct where women are shamed for promiscuity and men are encouraged to be promiscuous.
They are not throwing down because she is the biggest slut in school, they are throwing down because she is highly desired and is something they can get. As already explained, she is not desired because of her slut status, but because of her qualities which you seem to disregard every time. The fact that she is a slut only tells them that they have a higher chance with her to boot. Supply and demand at work.
Unless you plan to provide statistics for a negative correlation between beauty and libido, I do not see how you can defend this assertion. Then again, statistics give you a probability distribution. You argument is simply from disbelief that an attractive woman can have a strong libido.
I never stated something like this. What I stated was that if a male can have sex with a partner he finds attractive, there's no reason to decline it, except for his superego getting in the way. Which would qualify as sexual repression. The same thing is true for women too, the major difference being the social stigma and consequently repression being a lot stronger. People in general would like to have sex with somebody they find attractive. Or will you argue that this is untrue?
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@criver It's like I'm talking to a brick wall in the sense that, you can only see things how you want to see them. For whatever reason, you seem to have this idea that I'm in disbelief that women are horney. Yet, I have said plenty of times I know that and even gave examples. I mean really, what is wrong with you? I can't even talk to you because you seem to completely disregard what my point is and then twist into something you think it is that I'm trying to say. It's ridiculous. No, I'm done. Unless I somehow, someway, give you precise down the letter information that is backed by every scientific community on this planet, you apparently cannot understand what it is I'm saying.
I mean, I want to have this debate but, I have already said and given examples of everything you keep trying to argue with me about and running around in a circle. If anything, what it seems like is you can't comprehend and accept that a man wouldn't want to have sex. It's like perfect horney woman = sex to you. I don't get it.
Before I stop replying to you I'm just gonna leave this: In the context of this manga, I can agree with most of what you said. That if a woman on this level wanted to fuck, it would be hard pressed to not want to screw her brains out, I agree. But, that does not mean a man is just going to be like "oh, look, a sexy horney bitch; guess I should get my dick wet as well. She seems easy af to have sex with." There is a reason this is a fantasy. It just isn't like that, no matter how you want it to be. [insert statistical data to back my claim] Sorry person, I just don't have the time nor patience to actually find the perfect set of data that would please you.
I've yet to see a woman in reality that was so perfect, that, knowing how many people she fucked the day before or when she was just a young teen, ( if this was in college instead of high school, based on her actions, it wouldn't be surprising if she had been with 100+ men and women by the age of 20) men would literally stand in a line to have their turn to have suuuuuuper sloppy seconds. I just don't belive it, nor can you prove that. I will agree however that, if a guy only knew that she was horney and there was an easy possibility that they could have sex, more guys would be willing to attempt it. But to be this openly promiscuous and willing to screw anyone, regardless of looks, character, or gender, it just isn't going to happen.
You can try and argue that all day, I don't care. For people that are "hypersexual", easy men and women have an attraction sure. But at some point it is no longer an attraction, no matter amazing that person is.
I'll leave it that. In the context of the manga, she could potentially be a good friend since she isn't a bad person. But, no way would I see someone like her as an actual partner if I knew she was like this. Rather than "moral, social construct" bs that you keep clinging onto, it's a simple matter of trust. She is not a trustworthy person when it comes to a sexual relationship.
Goodbye, and I hope you have a nice day. PS: Sorry for the long reply. And also, I wasn't annoyed because of the "sensitive topic". It was more like it felt like you were attacking me for no reason.
I mean, I want to have this debate but, I have already said and given examples of everything you keep trying to argue with me about and running around in a circle. If anything, what it seems like is you can't comprehend and accept that a man wouldn't want to have sex. It's like perfect horney woman = sex to you. I don't get it.
Before I stop replying to you I'm just gonna leave this: In the context of this manga, I can agree with most of what you said. That if a woman on this level wanted to fuck, it would be hard pressed to not want to screw her brains out, I agree. But, that does not mean a man is just going to be like "oh, look, a sexy horney bitch; guess I should get my dick wet as well. She seems easy af to have sex with." There is a reason this is a fantasy. It just isn't like that, no matter how you want it to be. [insert statistical data to back my claim] Sorry person, I just don't have the time nor patience to actually find the perfect set of data that would please you.
I've yet to see a woman in reality that was so perfect, that, knowing how many people she fucked the day before or when she was just a young teen, ( if this was in college instead of high school, based on her actions, it wouldn't be surprising if she had been with 100+ men and women by the age of 20) men would literally stand in a line to have their turn to have suuuuuuper sloppy seconds. I just don't belive it, nor can you prove that. I will agree however that, if a guy only knew that she was horney and there was an easy possibility that they could have sex, more guys would be willing to attempt it. But to be this openly promiscuous and willing to screw anyone, regardless of looks, character, or gender, it just isn't going to happen.
You can try and argue that all day, I don't care. For people that are "hypersexual", easy men and women have an attraction sure. But at some point it is no longer an attraction, no matter amazing that person is.
I'll leave it that. In the context of the manga, she could potentially be a good friend since she isn't a bad person. But, no way would I see someone like her as an actual partner if I knew she was like this. Rather than "moral, social construct" bs that you keep clinging onto, it's a simple matter of trust. She is not a trustworthy person when it comes to a sexual relationship.
Goodbye, and I hope you have a nice day. PS: Sorry for the long reply. And also, I wasn't annoyed because of the "sensitive topic". It was more like it felt like you were attacking me for no reason.
@Akemua
Also your statement above completely invalidates this:
At no point did I attack you personally, unless you consider my asking for arguments an attack.
You are free to do so, but I am also free to challenge your points.
If you don't want to take the time to substantiate your claims, but on the other hand have time to write walls of text, what's the point of you starting this discussion?
Also your statement above completely invalidates this:
Unless you think you can have a debate without having to provide arguments.
I've yet to see an argument supporting your point, that is not simply your belief, anecdotal evidence, or plain wrong (your hypersexuality assertion, your idea of what sexual repression is, etc.).
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. I am sure there are many things you have not seen, doesn't mean they don't exist or are impossible.
An argument from disbelief is not a valid argument. You also fail to realize that the burden of proof to back up your claims lies on you, I don't need to disprove your claims for you before you have provided actual arguments. There are very attractive women and there are women with a very strong libido, you are arguing that these sets do not intersect - but you need to provide arguments for this, and you fail to do so. Additionally, I already presented the argument that two people won't actively avoid something beneficial to both of them, unless there are other negative factors affecting their decision, such as sexual repression in this case. I have yet to see you take it apart.
This is a strawman, I never stated anything of the sort. I always made sure to say that most people wouldn't actively avoid her, not all people. And I made sure to clarify that this would happen if they are in fact attracted to her, not people that do not want to have sex with her. My main argument concerning this is above.
I already explained at least 3 times that they are not attracted to her (only) because she has a strong libido, but because of her qualities. You are arguing that somehow the number of partners she has had should devalue her and repulse her partners. Outside of STDs, which has been agreed upon she doesn't have, this devaluing may happen only due to the social construct that female promiscuity is somehow bad. In which case we are talking about sexual repression, which I already discussed.
With the risk of repeating myself: anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.
What kind of trust are we talking about here? You need to trust her that she will/won't do what? Have sex with other people except you?
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@criver I'm trying to understand were did you get that "most men" part, did you perhaps go around the world asking every man you saw if they would fuck a giant bitch? I will tell you that only those that are exactly like her would accept doing it with her. Social construct... are you for real? Let me tell you this, having sex has another name, which is "making love", bitches like her would never give "love" to anyone and never reach anywhere in a relationship. This isn't social construct, it's the common choice between man that come in our DNA, and didn't you just say that MOST MAN would do her? so why is it a social construct that we shouldn't do bitches now? And you didn't give arguments, just made conjectures.
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I just want to clarify that you indeed have these things in mind, that's the reason I am asking. The moment you confirm that this is so, I can present you with scientific evidence on the subject.
Are you arguing that most men would not try and have sex with a very attractive woman?
It's a sexual relationship, there's nothing to reach.
Are you arguing that promiscuous women are not looked down on and shamed in many societies as opposed to promiscuous men?
I just want to clarify that you indeed have these things in mind, that's the reason I am asking. The moment you confirm that this is so, I can present you with scientific evidence on the subject.
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Damn, why you people even bother arguing about the logic behind a borderline H-manga?
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@Phuocphuc46 Because this feminist dike in the comments can't understand that just because a woman wants to fuck, not every guy will. And then demands stats and reports by scientists to back that up. Invalidate your comment by attempting to twist the point that was being made into something they could pointlessly argue about, all while giving zero stats and using bullshit like societal standards as their argument.
It wasn't an argument in the beginning. She wouldn't shut up and stop trying to pick apart every word I said even if I agreed with some of the stuff she was saying. Then continued to keep nitpicking on choice phrases out of an entire paragraph to force an argument. In other words, she's a pathetic troll that has nothing better to do with her life than argue that men would always want to fuck as long as a sexy high-spec woman wants to on a borderline H-manga.
It wasn't an argument in the beginning. She wouldn't shut up and stop trying to pick apart every word I said even if I agreed with some of the stuff she was saying. Then continued to keep nitpicking on choice phrases out of an entire paragraph to force an argument. In other words, she's a pathetic troll that has nothing better to do with her life than argue that men would always want to fuck as long as a sexy high-spec woman wants to on a borderline H-manga.
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Is this still an ongoing manga? Hate that it hasn’t been updated in 5 months
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