Otonari no Tenshi-sama ni Itsu no Ma ni ka Dame Ningen ni Sareteita Ken - Vol. 5 Ch. 20.3

[kyongkyong]

today we feast

 

[ZelLiSonAs]

Relationships are not a challenge or competition; the basis of a healthy romantic relationship is being able to put your partner’s needs and desires before your own. That’s some of why trust is so important between partners.

If you’re going to let someone into your life, to become truly deeply important to you and foster a healthy relationship, it’s necessary that you care for them strongly, and vice-versa. Pride is, by its nature, going to stunt that and always place yourself before them. There’s an upper limit to how close, how “in love” you can get with that mindset. There’s a limit to unity with that mindset.

Wisdom in relationships is deeply important. Being aware of how you’re doing and if your partner really does want the best for you. Being aware of your own well-being, and knowing if you need to have a difficult conversation with them. But the goal there is always to move towards a relationship of trust and selflessness in a healthy, supportive manner. That’s what makes a relationship last; that’s what is always reflected in the best stories of love and romance since the beginning of time.

TL;DR - Relationships need trust, need some level of self-sacrifice/devotion, and only progress by letting go of self-pride while becoming something better.

I couldn't agree more.
However, being 'wrapped around someone's finger' just because they act a bit sweetly to you sounds a bit one-sided to me, not exactly an equal relationship.

 

[Superpeanut]

I couldn't agree more.
However, being 'wrapped around someone's finger' just because they act a bit sweetly to you sounds a bit one-sided to me, not exactly an equal relationship.

It’s going to heavily depend on the person. Think of it a bit like how people’s humor changes from situation to situation, or around different friends. I have friends who I can make some harsher jokes to, but I know we are all joking around. But I’d never make some of those jokes to other friends, because they wouldn’t find it amusing.

The “wrapped around their finger” thing is the same. If someone is manipulating a person into doing what they want, as a selfish or controlling action, then yeah that’s a no-no. That’s abusive, and controlling, and toxic. It shows they only care about themselves.
But if it’s in good fun… that’s a different story. I have a genuine desire to do whatever my girlfriend wants me to do because I like seeing her happy. Her happiness is something I can take part in. And, importantly, it’s the same for her. So it’s a back and forth, not one-sided manipulation. Does she have me wrapped around her finger, and have me wanting to do what she wants? Yep. But that goes both ways, and she’s in the same situation herself. The end result is just “we like making each other happy” because the focus is “on the other person’s joy”.

Basically, just watch for if a person is selfish, I guess. If they always put themselves above others, acting with mighty pride and ego… then yeah that’s no good lol. If they put the well-being of others first, then you’re probably on the right path.

 

[BolzanoBozen]

Chat can someone tell me estimated chapters left before they started dating?

 

[Indivinity]

Chat can someone tell me estimated chapters left before they started dating?

Spoiler: Estimated No. of chapters before confession (Click at own risk)

Another 22 or so chapters. Also, please don't reply to this in a way that might accidentally spoil others!

 

[apstorm]

It’s crazy how incredibly rare it is to see two couples interacting like this in modern Manga. If this was more Comedy focused, male friends would just disappear, that screen time would be dedicated to introducing another love interest into the Harem.

The only other dudes you see are random street punks who attack the heroine (happens in every one) or their direct family. But look what we lose! Back 20 years ago, having a cast of diverse characters to match up was the appeal! Romance charts! Not just a single dude with a huge harem, friends! Chandler and Joey not just Joey hooking up with girls… oh god modern manga is the spin off“ Joey”

To be honest, I make a point to almost exclusively read or watch stuff I know is focused on a distinct pair of characters trying to get together, and their supporting cast that might include more pairings. I can count the number of actual harem stuff I've consumed on one hand, I feel like. Okay, might exceed that count a bit if I go far back enough, but most of the stuff I watch or read now is like that, such as this, Kimi ni Todoke, ToniKawa (if there ever is goofy love triangle shenanigans, it's generally short-lived lampshading and expectation subversions by Hata-sensei, and almost exclusively focused on secondary couple pairings, Like Aya-Ginga-Shirogane, since the main couple is backed up by a legal document from as early as the fourth chapter and/or first episode), HoriMiya, SukiMega Dangers in My Heart (BokuYaba), Alya (Roshidere)...

The only 'harem' I recently watched and then read was Nisekoi (about a decade old, I think, at this point), but it was clear to me from early on it was really just a stretched-out love triangle with a couple of losing heroines attached. And even the love triangle felt like a bit of a farce to me, since the girl the guy supposedly had a crush on from the start had static to glacial progress with him the whole damn way, to the point I knew she was on the losing track, and I realized the girl he was forced to be fake-dating was the real romance end-game by the end of the anime, and so I knew going into the manga she was the one to pay attention to, and the other was just a distraction.

Okay, that's a lie, I also watched the first season of 100 girlfriends, but that's not really a standard harem, either. When all the girls win, is it really the usual harem nonsense? But it becomes a different kind of absurd that's amusing in its own way.

Oh yeah, I ended up watching Haganai at some point because I figured some saw it as a classic for a reason, and deeply regretted it. Ended up looking into stuff about how the manga progressed, and it sounds like a right mess. I'll just assume the male lead kept his promise to Sena to date when they both go to University and leave it at that, because the alternatives all feel like such bullshit.