Otoyomegatari - Vol. 11 Ch. 77 - Antalya

[daywithoutgames]

So I guess you can say : this couple are "swingers" now , lol .

swinging = An activity where couples engage in sexual activity with different partners.

 

[Ingra]

@nohugs_ugh YES!!! i did not see that swing part coming, it was so sweet ?.

My gosh Kronix is a plague everywhere in this site ¬¬.
Mangakas are human begins, they get burnout eventually, and have to work on different stuff.
Enjyo the ride dude, chill.

 

[Aldis]

GOOD GIRL TALAS MAY YOU FOUND YOUR HAPPINESS QAQ

 

[criver]

They don't really match, he's too intelligent for her.

 

[DjAlexDubCheck]

That's bullshit, @criver. We only started to know her

 

[criver]

@DjAlexDubCheck
And from what we've seen she's a woman that doesn't know anything beyond her little village and hasn't really had any formal education. Now compare that to him. It became even more evident at the beginning of this chapter, she doesn't know things that are common knowledge for our MC. They will have literally nothing to talk about at the same level. He can't really talk about his hobbies and work with her. He was brought up like an aristocrat, she was brought up like a village girl. She is simply not his equal both in education and intelligence. While it's not impossible that this would work out, realistically it is pretty unlikely if you take off your rose colored glasses.
Let me put it another way, what redeeming qualities does she have except for her beauty?

 

[Ingra]

@criver

She for one, seems genuinely interested in what he has to teach her.
imo, she can come to be a nice partner in his adventures, she is his counterweight.
whereas he's aloof in his own desires and research, she can keep him on the right track during the voyage, remember how she managed to win extra money before, and in the middle of the trail? (she's the bread winner in this couple lol)
She seems like a nice, down to earth woman, and at the same time, is interested in what he has to share with her.

I think they will prove to be a nice paring =)

 

[criver]

@Ingra
The issue is not whether she was interested or not, the issue is that it would be like talking to a kid. Doesn't make for a great conversation partner unless you like echo chambers. And you damn sure want to be able to hold a conversation with your spouse considering that you'll live with this person for years.
I hope the bread winner comment was a joke since it's more than obvious that the MC is more than rich enough to not need her money. Which brings us back to the previous point - he doesn't stop her because he doesn't want to offend her, but that once again goes to show that he's treating her like a kid. You should be able to explain to your partner that she doesn't have to sell her possessions, the MC can't be honest however because he knows that she won't understand.

She seems like a nice, down to earth woman, and at the same time, is interested in what he has to share with her.

Unfortunately that's not nearly enough for a person you plan to spend your life with, unless of course you don't really care about your happiness. Not to mention there are a dime a dozen women fitting your description, and the MC definitely has better choices. I doubt that he will be happy living with a person who is mentally a kid compared to him.

 

[Ingra]

@criver

''hope the bread winner comment was a joke''
It was not. ?
Remember, they are not in England, they are traveling in the middle east, she's has the knowledge to win money in cases he can't/don't have money.
It's not like he can just got to the bank, say his familys name, and withdraw money, whenever he needs, AND In case war brakes lose, she can help him survive.

'' he doesn't stop her because he doesn't want to offend her''
And, were does this show he's treating her like a kid exactly?
Imo, this just comes to show, he respects the way people in this area think differently.
They are not in England, they are in the MIDDLE EAST, if he judges people because they have a diferrent set o value, then by all means should not be doing what he's trying to do.
He's research would be to one sided, not showing the true value of the culture he's trying to register.
AND since he's not like that, i really doubt he's trating her as a kid, and more like, he does not know how HE as a HUSBAND (to be) show react in time like this.
And that's because he has a different set of values.

''Unfortunately that's not nearly enough for a person you plan to spend your life with''
Look, there's something called ''character development''.
You could wait, OR, you can just say you don't like her because ''reasons'' ? lol.
I, mean, it's a better reason to say YOU don't like her because of the reasons you listed, than to presume what the Doctor thinks about her using your set of values.

 

[criver]

@Ingra

in cases he can't/don't have money.

That is clearly not the case is it? If anything the MC is more than well off enough. Her selling her stuff when there's no need is simply stupid. Also it's laughable that you should point this out as a reason for her being good wife material. Or is irrational behaviour in vogue?

In case war brakes lose, she can help him survive.

I disagree, I believe she would only reduce his chances of survival in a war. Him being the man means that it is him that will have to protect her, good luck with that.

Notice how both of your arguments, however weak, are utility based. And if you're choosing your marriage partner based on utility, I have some bad news for you.

And, were does this show he's treating her like a kid exactly?

Because he knows that she's acting irrationally, but can't speak up in order to not hurt her. Sounds familiar?

if he judges people because they have a diferrent set o value

I like to believe that ratio is a universal value.

He's research would be to one sided, not showing the true value of the culture he's trying to register.

This is not about the research, it's about the marriage. Unless you're implying that he's keeping her around as a research subject.

he does not know how HE as a HUSBAND (to be) show react in time like this.

If you have to constantly act different than you normally would when with your partner then you're lying to your partner and to yourself. Simply means you don't really fit together, hopefully you would have understood this before marrying.

Look, there's something called ''character development''.

So she'll develop intelligence and years of education through character development? She literally has to become someone else to fit him, which begs the question, is this really a good match? I would argue that it's a terrible match. It works for dramas and wish-fulfillment works, sure. "The (tragic) poor village girl and the handsome rich prince". But in reality? Not really. They are from two different worlds, with extremely different characters, and extremely different level of knowledge about the world.

I, mean, it's a better reason to say YOU don't like her because of the reasons you listed,

Since when exactly am I a British aristocrat that has gone to the middle east to study the culture? I am specifically trying to give an outside as possibly unbiased evaluation as I could and you're telling me that I am citing reasons relevant to me? The set of reasons regarding me would be an entirely different one. Or do you identify me with the MC for some reason?

I asked a few posts above what redeeming qualities she has that would make her a good partner for him. The best you could come up was: her irrationally selling her belongings and the fact that she would somehow help him in the event of war. Disregarding how ridiculous (the second being arguably straight up wrong) those reasons are, they are not even relevant to whether she's a good match for him. On the other hand, I pointed out several reasons why she is not a good match, and the best you could come up with was that she's from a different culture so those should be disregarded, or that I am somehow presenting reasons regarding me, while projecting the MC's assets and qualities onto me. I don't even know what to say. I am really trying to understand your logic, but it simply fails to make sense. The matching feels forced but for some reason you insist on it. What's the point? Why do you want this matching to work out so much, when it clearly doesn't?

 

[Ingra]

@criver

Ok, cliver, i get you din't understands the points i gave to you.
But, they are not irrational like you make them be.

I think, it may help you at least understand (not agree) if only you shift your perspective a bit.
Like i said, they.are.not.in.england.
The points i listed, are positive points in their current situation.
The current situation is a important factor to show you why she behaves like that.

Have it been England, i could not argue with the points you made, because i would agree with it.(shifting perspective)
But they are not in England, and i doubt the Doctor thinks and feels like a normal aristocrats.

My talking with you will no procedeed this point, as it seems you can't shift you perspective to try and understand the logic behind my arguments, and i don't know how to better explain them to you.😅

So, if this Ship sails or not, it all depends you Mori-Sensei, let's wait, and see the progess.
Have a nice week =);

 

[criver]

@Ingra And I already explained why this is not about England vs the Middle East. Selling your valued possessions when it is not required is stupid at best, regardless where you live. Her defending him in the event of war is even more ridiculous from a non-western perspective. Most importantly, neither of these defines whether she's a good match for him.

 

[Ingra]

''England vs the Middle East.''
Oh, but IT IS.
I don't know if you realise, but half your points about her not been good wife material, were exactly because she's from a different time and culture.

You forgot we are talking about a historical manga.
This was a reality way long ago, people had different type of minds then, different costumes, i'm a western, so i can't say i 100% sure, but in some regions, selling clouths and such, even if they were yours was a local and even normal thing.

The other two companions didn't even bat a eye about her selling her stuff, wich makes me belief in that region, this type of thing is common . Don you get were i'm trying to go?
Get out of your head, and stop thinking selling your valued possessions were considered as bad then as you are making now!
Of course, now a days, if the family does not have suffient income, it may still happen, but in this age, this is considered a sad thing, whereas what i'm trying to show you, is that, in that time, selling valued possessions were a means to earn honest money, and not a sad thing.

Resume:
In that age: Costume and habits and a different type of mind, not necessary harmful.
Nowadays: Presents poverty, sad fact that should not happen.

''Her defending him in the event of war is even more ridiculous''
She's not taking a sword and bow and defending him, i ment to say costumes and pratical local knowledge he does not possess, whereas she does.
Should the time for it to be used arises, she's going to be o help.

Look, this is not going anywhere if you can't see the logic behind my points, and i do not have spare time to continue a discussion where i will not exchange meaningfull knowledge.
So, have a nice week.

 

[Pachka84]

Actually the benefits of sending cargo by ship was that you could transport much larger quantities and transport would be faster.
The cost of a ship was much greater than that of a few pack-animals and a guide.

Can't believe people were arguing that selling a sjawl out of kindness because someone else thinks it's pretty constitutes and irrational act or some kind of profound difference between British and Asian people.
You people were heavily overthinking things.
I also can't believe someone actually wrote that if you don't posses a certain level of education or intelligence you are like a child and thus an inferior human being.
That way of thinking is 50 shades of wrong.

 

[PUGE]

damm, people reading this are too close minded. Go read some english historical novel or something lol. Obviously people will think their own culture is so much better than everybody else's backward-ass culture

 

[JustCallMeDaBoss]

Wow finally we get to see her happy, i dont understand this woman at times really, shes so demure and the picture of a woman following the rules at times that she seems to be caged by her own emotions, then from outta nowhere we get this very energetic and lovely feminine girl that acts on instinct, a wonderful creature for sure of which only one thing im certain of, i want to protecc her.

God damn i really wish the guy helps her shed some of her ..... Mhmhmhmh how do i put it ? Reclusivity ? Or like her belief that she needs to be just a quiet pretty thing to look at i guess? Her indoctrination maybe? He really needs to just be there for her i guess and show that he likes her free? Real? Outgoing ? Self.

Look i just really like this woman all right and you can clearly sense her desire for freedom not just from this very telling chapter but as i said all her little outbursts that show whats underneath those unending piles of (beautifully, and masterfully detailed) cloth.

Dude needs to connect with her like this instead of leaving her with cloth alone all day, try and talk to her she seems interested in all that you do and the world at large, all the revelations about the world must seem grand to this girl who was in a little village all her life and shes a damn sweetheart still cant believe she fucking bounced from there all alone through a shit ton of places in 19th century whatever muslim countries this are as a woman for love, like wtf? Realistically this is the most crazy thing ive ever seen a woman do for love.

Woman are crazy when in love yo, she fell for him in like what ? 5 days? lol treat her right dude.

Indeed im highly invested in this girl finding happiness.

 

[Ghost_Bear]

I'm just going to appreciating the story and characters...

 

[MawMaw]

man Talas feeling the wind from the swing have a really same vibe as Emma feeling the wind from riding a bike, I bet those two are Mori sensei personal feelings she experience as well lole.

 

[SotiCoto]

And here I am thinking that her look of absolute delight on page 11 is such a precious change to her usual stoic demeanour...

... and the comments section is a fucking mess of arguments over the ethics of selling the clothes off her back.
I'm not even entirely sure why she has to walk around with a fuckin carpet over her head AS WELL as the hat / wrap thing she has underneath it... but I'm guessing it is just some primitive middle-eastern "hide the women" initiative. The visual aesthetic of the girls back in the Uzbekistan village is far superior to the one this carpet-snail waifu opts for.... but whatever works for her, I guess.


@PUGE : Cultures are just the bad habits of a population. I wouldn't say that any culture is necessarily superior or inferior... so much as the MORE culture a population has, the more inferior they are. I mean if you think about it carefully, cultural differences from one population to the next are primarily the things that are unimportant enough that they can be changed freely without it making any difference... as changing things that are actually important usually comes at the cost of vitality and livelihood. Irrelevant, decorative fluff can be changed freely, but if you decide you want to start drinking oil instead of water, you won't be long for this world.
So necessarily, these freely changeable cultural things are unimportant... which is just another way of saying they're just filler. Irrelevant wastes of time. So the more culture a population has, the less efficient it is, which in a manner of speaking... makes them inferior.
Only from the perspective that pragmatism = superiority though... which is as subjective as anything else, and tends to collapse in on itself when one considers the nihilistic inevitability that the influence of all human effort tends towards zero as one looks at it on a greater scale.

Heh...

@Pachka84 : That is quite absurd, yes. Equating intelligence to arbitrary value judgements devoid of context is usually a clear indicator of stupidity... though one need make allowances for Poe's Law.
What I haven't explicitly noted yet is that most people do it... because most people are... mentally lacking, from my perspective. Which is to say if I call them idiots (they are idiots), they take it as a value judgement / insult... rather than simply an observation of their lesser mental faculties. The truly bothersome aspect here is that doing so is so utterly commonplace that if one of them calls ME an idiot, my first suspicion is that they're just trying to say "I hate you" rather than any consideration of literal meaning. And it is all too easy to fall into an assumption trap that makes me look exactly like that which I'm criticising.
Oh the many flaws of this language.
To be fair, I tend to regard non-Autistics as mentally lacking by default... though I've encountered exceptions.



... I really shouldn't be typing this much with RSI in my fingers. What a blunder.

 

[ViEmlleSzDias]

@ZaidValRoa
I know your nickname. You wouldn't happen to be an active member in the TPN fandom, would you? Especially in fandubing doujinshis? xD