Ouji-sama Nante Iranai - Ch. 112
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I've noticed that amongst the various faults of these long-strip comics is a tendency to lose sight or otherwise let go of the original story, meander-around for awhile, and then draw things to an unsatisfactory close.
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I don't know. As slow as the progression is, I feel like the two main lasses have definitely been inching closer and closer to gayness as the series has been going on. Maybe I'm just easily satisfied, but I quite like this series, slow burn and all.
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@notyurinotinterested—
Recall or re-read the first few chapters. The distinguishing feature of the story was that the school was sharply divided into two social classes. One girl found herself caught in the middle of the tensions. Aaaaaand…?
And at some point the author forgot about those tensions, and the two social classes just got along fine, and there's just a collection of girl-meets-girl stories set in a fancy school.
Recall or re-read the first few chapters. The distinguishing feature of the story was that the school was sharply divided into two social classes. One girl found herself caught in the middle of the tensions. Aaaaaand…?
And at some point the author forgot about those tensions, and the two social classes just got along fine, and there's just a collection of girl-meets-girl stories set in a fancy school.
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@Oeconomist The classes didn't just come closer overnight though, it was gradually trough the series thanks to Kokoro and Yukino's efforts. At first it were only few group of people, then gradually thanks to the social activities, planned on purpose for this, a lot more begun to open up to each other. The breaking of this boundary between the classes was the whole point of the story since the beginning.
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@Lux—
Indeed, the mutual acceptance of the classes was “the whole point” at the beginning. But, the storytelling abandoned the matter. The process whereby the division melted was not simply pushed into the background, but pushed out of sight. Had the conflict not originally been “the whole point”, moving it out of sight might be fine; but, as it is, what you are offering are the reasonable inferences that one would make in filling a gap in which “the whole point” fell.
Indeed, the mutual acceptance of the classes was “the whole point” at the beginning. But, the storytelling abandoned the matter. The process whereby the division melted was not simply pushed into the background, but pushed out of sight. Had the conflict not originally been “the whole point”, moving it out of sight might be fine; but, as it is, what you are offering are the reasonable inferences that one would make in filling a gap in which “the whole point” fell.
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I never saw this comics whole point being about the division, I saw it as Yukino's and Nobara's relationship and as an extension how it will affect the divisions as a subsplot.
As for the whole purpose of the ball was to make the divisions closer with each other... Which it ended up doing as the couple that originally split up Yuki and Nobara, due to their "hate" of each other being of the oppoosite factions, end up dancing with each other as they see how happy the main couple were with each other.
I never saw this comics whole point being about the division, I saw it as Yukino's and Nobara's relationship and as an extension how it will affect the divisions as a subsplot.
As for the whole purpose of the ball was to make the divisions closer with each other... Which it ended up doing as the couple that originally split up Yuki and Nobara, due to their "hate" of each other being of the oppoosite factions, end up dancing with each other as they see how happy the main couple were with each other.
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@Babydel—
Regardless of whether you thought that the conflict were literally “the whole point” (not my phrase), it was the distinguishing feature when the story began. And yet the process of where and how that conflict were resolved was pushed nearly all the way off screen. You and I and everyone else can interpolate, but that leaves the storytelling to the audience. If this were just supposed to be girl-meet-girl stories set in a fancy school, then the conflict should not have been placed front-and-center in the beginning, if indeed the conflict were presented at all.
Regardless of whether you thought that the conflict were literally “the whole point” (not my phrase), it was the distinguishing feature when the story began. And yet the process of where and how that conflict were resolved was pushed nearly all the way off screen. You and I and everyone else can interpolate, but that leaves the storytelling to the audience. If this were just supposed to be girl-meet-girl stories set in a fancy school, then the conflict should not have been placed front-and-center in the beginning, if indeed the conflict were presented at all.
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I spent today rereading this series so I could verify whether I agreed with your point or not better. And frankly, you're just not correct. I can understand the reasons for your complaints since the last 25 or so chapters spend a lot more time developing plots such as Himeko's attempting to sabotage the ball and Ookami's troubles with Kumoi and Akai than they do on the Shakuyaku and Botan divide, and it can be hard to keep track of everything going on in a story, especially one as long as this, over time. However, from what I can tell rereading the story, the divide between the two groups of students is pretty clearly a major part of this story throughout its entirety.
Skipping past the first 70 or so chapters which are pretty obviously influenced by this divide, the recent 40 chapters have been dedicated to the ball, which has been organized to group Shakuyaku and Botan students together deliberately to help the two groups of students closer together. We get several viewpoints showing the changing opinions of Shakuyaku and Botan students to their partners throughout the arc (for example, blue haired lass and her partner dancing together this chapter and Misa and Kagura's working together to stop Himeko), and we get several reports from Alice, Kokoro, and Yukino that the ball is working to bring Shakuyaku and Botan students closer together. And it's not like this is just the end of the Shakuyaku and Botan divide plot. As Alice and Kokoro mention in their conversation together, this ball is just a first step to bringing change to their school. While it's obviously a very effective first step from what we see, there are certainly going to be some students who aren't as appreciative of it as others.
I spent today rereading this series so I could verify whether I agreed with your point or not better. And frankly, you're just not correct. I can understand the reasons for your complaints since the last 25 or so chapters spend a lot more time developing plots such as Himeko's attempting to sabotage the ball and Ookami's troubles with Kumoi and Akai than they do on the Shakuyaku and Botan divide, and it can be hard to keep track of everything going on in a story, especially one as long as this, over time. However, from what I can tell rereading the story, the divide between the two groups of students is pretty clearly a major part of this story throughout its entirety.
Skipping past the first 70 or so chapters which are pretty obviously influenced by this divide, the recent 40 chapters have been dedicated to the ball, which has been organized to group Shakuyaku and Botan students together deliberately to help the two groups of students closer together. We get several viewpoints showing the changing opinions of Shakuyaku and Botan students to their partners throughout the arc (for example, blue haired lass and her partner dancing together this chapter and Misa and Kagura's working together to stop Himeko), and we get several reports from Alice, Kokoro, and Yukino that the ball is working to bring Shakuyaku and Botan students closer together. And it's not like this is just the end of the Shakuyaku and Botan divide plot. As Alice and Kokoro mention in their conversation together, this ball is just a first step to bringing change to their school. While it's obviously a very effective first step from what we see, there are certainly going to be some students who aren't as appreciative of it as others.
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@notyurinotinterested—
Interesting how I'm finding myself simultaneously in arguments [ul]with some who insist that the divide was never a particularly important aspect of the story but that the reader can see how that argument were resolved,
with some who allow that the conflict were an important aspect but insist that we can see how that conflict were resolved, and
with some who acknowledge that it was an important aspect and claim that the reader can see that it has not been resolved.[/ul] We have indeed seen that students have come together during the ball, but it has been left almost entirely to the reader to infer why the ball had that effect. Basically, a few students in leadership positions said “Work together!” and the story depicted less in the way of conflict; the reader is left to infer that the tensions and resentments diminished. Why that should happen, as opposed to an amplification of tensions and resentments, is unexplained. I doubt that there will be any explanation from the author if the conflict reignites.
Interesting how I'm finding myself simultaneously in arguments [ul]with some who insist that the divide was never a particularly important aspect of the story but that the reader can see how that argument were resolved,
with some who allow that the conflict were an important aspect but insist that we can see how that conflict were resolved, and
with some who acknowledge that it was an important aspect and claim that the reader can see that it has not been resolved.[/ul] We have indeed seen that students have come together during the ball, but it has been left almost entirely to the reader to infer why the ball had that effect. Basically, a few students in leadership positions said “Work together!” and the story depicted less in the way of conflict; the reader is left to infer that the tensions and resentments diminished. Why that should happen, as opposed to an amplification of tensions and resentments, is unexplained. I doubt that there will be any explanation from the author if the conflict reignites.
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It's pretty obvious that the hatred between Shakuyakus and Botans is a superficial one brought on by the way the school's set up. That the students would warm up to those they're paired up with in the ball by getting to know them over the course of practicing for the ball instead of just staying in a state of judging them based on them being Shakuyaku or Botan is something that the author should reasonably expect someone to be able to infer, I think, since the latter mindset has been shown many times throughout the story to be the main reason the Shakuyaku vs Botan mentality persists. While you dismiss my examples as not really showing why the Shakuyakus and Botans grow closer together, both sets of interactions (the blue haired lass and her partner to an extent but in particular the Misa and Kagura interactions) show firsthand that the method of the Shakuyakus and Botans being forced to get to know each other better works.
In addition, at a couple points throughout this arc Yukino says that the ball is working because it brings the Shakuyakus and Botans together working on a common goal. You could argue that if they were just forced to interact with each other through classes or something that it would cause a fair amount of conflict, but I think that the 'common goal' aspect of the situation is a good insight as to why the Shakuyakus and Botans grow closer throughout the ball as well.
Also worth mentioning is that at around chapter 30, Shakuyaku and Botan students come together in a much smaller extent to find a key that some Botan students lose, and that event plays out similarly to how the ball does (with the Shakuyaku and Botan students involved warming up to each other). Though this incident, due to lasting for such a short amount of time, doesn't really have much of a long-term effect (except arguably that it caused Kumoi to be willing to get along with Ookami from the start, sparking their subplot), I don't think it would be that much of a stretch to say that this event sets up/foreshadows the solution to the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict the ball arc employs.
And while I think I make it sound like the ball is 100% effective in resolving the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict throughout this comment, I do think that there will be more to come with the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict. I mean, the ball between Shakuyakus and Botans is a first-year event only. There's no way the author could handwave away the prejudices of the entirety of the school based on a ball that only occurs between the first-years. If the ball arc does end up being used to ditch the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict, then I would agree with you that it does a poor job of explaining how that could happen. But based on where we are in the story, it's pretty absurd to argue that the events of the ball arc show the author's pushing the conflict aside.
It's pretty obvious that the hatred between Shakuyakus and Botans is a superficial one brought on by the way the school's set up. That the students would warm up to those they're paired up with in the ball by getting to know them over the course of practicing for the ball instead of just staying in a state of judging them based on them being Shakuyaku or Botan is something that the author should reasonably expect someone to be able to infer, I think, since the latter mindset has been shown many times throughout the story to be the main reason the Shakuyaku vs Botan mentality persists. While you dismiss my examples as not really showing why the Shakuyakus and Botans grow closer together, both sets of interactions (the blue haired lass and her partner to an extent but in particular the Misa and Kagura interactions) show firsthand that the method of the Shakuyakus and Botans being forced to get to know each other better works.
In addition, at a couple points throughout this arc Yukino says that the ball is working because it brings the Shakuyakus and Botans together working on a common goal. You could argue that if they were just forced to interact with each other through classes or something that it would cause a fair amount of conflict, but I think that the 'common goal' aspect of the situation is a good insight as to why the Shakuyakus and Botans grow closer throughout the ball as well.
Also worth mentioning is that at around chapter 30, Shakuyaku and Botan students come together in a much smaller extent to find a key that some Botan students lose, and that event plays out similarly to how the ball does (with the Shakuyaku and Botan students involved warming up to each other). Though this incident, due to lasting for such a short amount of time, doesn't really have much of a long-term effect (except arguably that it caused Kumoi to be willing to get along with Ookami from the start, sparking their subplot), I don't think it would be that much of a stretch to say that this event sets up/foreshadows the solution to the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict the ball arc employs.
And while I think I make it sound like the ball is 100% effective in resolving the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict throughout this comment, I do think that there will be more to come with the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict. I mean, the ball between Shakuyakus and Botans is a first-year event only. There's no way the author could handwave away the prejudices of the entirety of the school based on a ball that only occurs between the first-years. If the ball arc does end up being used to ditch the Shakuyaku and Botan conflict, then I would agree with you that it does a poor job of explaining how that could happen. But based on where we are in the story, it's pretty absurd to argue that the events of the ball arc show the author's pushing the conflict aside.
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wow, I apreciate your patience in wrtting this
wow, I apreciate your patience in wrtting this
