Our Manga Club

[MangaDex]

 

[greatninja3]

One of those 1 page manga

 

[potatoesriceandbread]

Wait, Mukuro Ikusaba! Is that an alias?

 

[DunkChasby]

the mangaka must be a danganronpa fan, the name threw me for a loop

 

[Koin]

This art style looks... familiar

 

[NoCluePotato]

It seems like it was made by a non-japanese from the looks of it

 

[gaoP]

So this guy is just uploading his own web comic onto this site and that's fine? There are websites specifically for web comics, and as much as this guy wants to be a manga artist, it doesn't mean that he should be uploading his stuff here, nor any other western artists uploading their stuff here. Just wanting something to be a manga doesn't make it such. The rules of the site even say that "Only content from Asia (with some exceptions) is permitted." and as far as I can tell, this is the only place where this artist, uploading group, and comic exists.

 

[maximaxi]

Uploader here. To be totally transparent, you are completely right.

Currently talking to mods about possibly making this an exception to the Asia rule for a couple of reasons, off the top of my head:

1. Thematically it reflects the intent of the website.
2. It has been received decently on this platform (its only platform), more so than some similar Asian series.
3. There is no ulterior motive like advertising for Patreon, etc., we're just trying to share a work.

Clearly these are not flawless points at all, and I can even give counterexamples to each of the above. But at least hopefully this comment adds a bit of extra information.

Realized that this is listed as Japanese so we're looking into that as well. Never intended to mislead anyone so you have my sincere apologies, and thanks for checking this out.

Feel free to share your opinions, hopefully you're not upset because in the first place this was just meant to be a fun project planned to fit with this site, and if it annoyed any of you I can only say that I am sorry.

I'm hoping this can be resolved well, sorry for the wall of text, appreciate the criticism and support equally as much.

 

[Vverg]

I think its great that stuff like this is on MD. If the author was born in Japan, noone would care. I was always bothered by how MAL handles stuff like this, it is bullshit. Pingu is suddenly an anime (just cause it suddenly is made in Japan, while from origine its not), but several series that are pretty much in every way a Anime but not made in Japan is not a Anime.

gaoP, the webcomic comment is invalid. Do you know how many webcomics are on this site? That looks less Asian style than this title? Or is it just a racial thing cause you need to be Japanese or whatever? Cause if it is a racist thing, then i can at least ignore your invalid argument.

Anyways my opinion is that this should be ok. If its in mangastyle, isnt made like a Disney/Marvel comic (so western style).. why not? Who cares? Do you get less from it cause its on MD? If you dont like it, dont read it... its as simple as that. If MD can be a place that helps this kind of titles get more readers.. why not?

 

[Fitz]

I have no problem with this being liked for what it is, but the fact is that if it had been represented as what it actually is from the start it would never have appeared here in the first place . It is not a Japanese manga, and I find it a bit hard to believe that someone's finger "slipped" and labelled it that way by mistake when uploading it.

What would making an exception here mean? If you misrepresent your original work as a Japanese manga and get some people to like it, that means it can stay? And even accepting that it was labelled as Japanese by mistake for the sake of argument, why would only this non-Asian original work get an exception? What about others who are up-front and careful to follow the rules? It would be a bit of a kick in the teeth for them, no? I don't think either dishonesty or lack of care and respect for the rules should be rewarded.

My own preferences aside, if enough people want non-Asian works here and the mods want to accommodate them, one solution would be to make a toggle that includes or filters out non-Asian works in the same way as Hentai. I wonder if there really would be such a demand though? After all, there are plenty of web comic hosting sites already, and this is MangaDex.

Sorry to the uploader for being blunt. I wish you well with your work. I just can't see a reason for an exception, for the reasons stated above.

 

[Vverg]

I do agree that's not ok to mislabel stuff, if it's not original from Japan don't give it a Japanese flag. I think everyone agrees on that. But then, he couldn't select Canada or whatever... that's not an option. So in that end, I can't really blame him.

My own preferences aside, if enough people want non-Asian works here and the mods want to accommodate them, one solution would be to make a toggle that includes or filters out non-Asian works in the same way as Hentai. I wonder if there really would be such a demand though? After all, there are plenty of web comic hosting sites already, and this is MangaDex.

Korean and Chinese stuff aren't manga either, so in the way you say it that shouldn't be on this site either. There even more countries besides those (search it in Advanced Search, you will be suprised ?), which doesn't have a seperate filter either. Besides, ReLIFE was also webcomic, but was one of the most popular series on this website... noone complained. So again I don't agree with people using the "webcomic" argument. Cause noone cares if a webcomic is from Japan, Korea, or China. To make it clear, i don't mind having this discussion and you have a different view... i just don't agree for the "webcomic" argument when it's actually a "racial" argument.

I still don't see how this kind of stuff affects you. You can ignore it, you can search specifically for Japanese origine stuff... Can be me, that I maybe miss some insight in this issue.. but I can also ignore the Yaio stuff which 95% of the people here don't want to read.

Edit: Search for the title "Fading Colors" and look what flag it has... I know there is also French stuff on here

 

[Fitz]

...he couldn't select Canada or whatever... that's not an option. So in that end, I can't really blame him.

Well, that, along with the rule against posting non-Asian content should have been more than enough of a clue that he was not doing the right thing, so I can blame him for that. An honest approach would have been to apply to the mods to be an exception from the start, not to select the Japanese flag, which if done deliberately was intentional misrepresentation.

Korean and Chinese stuff aren't manga either, so in the way you say it that shouldn't be on this site either.

The rule is "Only content from Asia (with some exceptions)". I personally prefer Japanese manga myself, because of the cultural elements that I'm familiar with and which appeal to me, but I can understand why Asian works rather than just Japanese manga are included, because these countries share a lot of historical cultural influences, which make them in many ways similar and make them distinguishable from culturally Western works (even when they adopt a superficially Asian style).

i just don't agree for the "webcomic" argument when it's actually a "racial" argument.

I don't think it is racial, but rather cultural. It's like liking a certain flavor of ice cream. If I want chocolate ice cream, I don't want to buy a coffee-flavoured ice cream which looks chocolate-coloured by mistake, especially if it is mislabelled as "chocolate". It won't taste the same. If I come to the chocolate ice cream section, that's what I want to find there. Other flavours of ice cream can be in their own sections.

Again, I still don't see how this kind of stuff affects you. You can ignore it, you can search specifically for Japanese origine stuff...

But the whole purpose of restricting what kind of content can be uploaded here is to make it easier for people who like the allowed content to find it, without having to waste time with extra searching, mistaken clicks, and needless scrolling past content they have no interest in. I'm not completely against non-Asian works being here, I just think that exceptions should be presented to the mods from the get-go for consideration as exceptions, and that if non-Asian works are to be allowed as a matter of course, I would really like a toggle so that people like me who are almost solely interested in culturally Asian works can filter out non-Asian works without the need for any extra effort beyond that.

 

[Fitz]

Looking at my last post and the great wall of text, I think I'd better leave it at that and not take up any more space. Sorry to everyone for that.

 

[Vverg]

Well, that, along with the rule against posting non-Asian content should have been more than enough of a clue that he was not dong the right thing, so I can blame him for that. An honest approach would have been to apply to the mods to be an exception from the start, not to select the Japanese flag, which if done deliberately was intentional misrepresentation.

Do not upload:
- Western comics.
- Scans of official releases, including raws.
- Scanlations of licensed manga are allowed.
- Bulk chapters (e.g. Ch 1-10 as one chapter.)
- Obtrusively watermarked images.
- Images saved from aggregator sites, if an original source is available.

Tbh, it doesn't say non-Asian content. It says Western comics.. which in this context is ment stuff like Marvel, Disney, DC etc. This is at the upload screen. (The Rules pages you refer... is bit outdated, the upload rules at upload page is what should be followed. The rules will be updated btw very soon, so rules dont differ in several places.).

The rule is "Only content from Asia (with some exceptions)". I personally prefer Japanese manga myself, because of the cultural elements that I'm familiar with and which appeal to me, but I can understand why Asian works rather than just Japanese manga are included, because these countries share a lot of historical cultural influences, which make them in many ways similar and make them distinguishable from culturally Western works (even when they adopt a superficially Asian style).

I reacted pure to your MangaDex part, as in the way you put it that only Manga and nothing else should be on this website.

I don't think it is racial, but rather cultural. It's like liking a certain flavor of ice cream. If I want chocolate ice cream, I don't want to buy a coffee-flavoured ice cream which looks chocolate-coloured by mistake, especially if it is mislabelled as "chocolate". It won't taste the same. If I come to the chocolate ice cream section, that's what I want to find there. Other flavours of ice cream can be in their own sections.

If I would say I prefer white culture above black culture, wanna bet I'm getting called a racist?
But besides that, what's exactly the line then? A Japanese born in Japan, making manga in France is ok? But a French born in France that lives years in Japan isn't ok? (cause this case the French person doesn't have that culture thing, while you could say the Japanese person does have that).

But the whole purpose of restricting what kind of content can be uploaded here is to make it easier for people who like the allowed content to find it, without having to waste time with extra searching, mistaken clicks, and needless scrolling past content they have no interest in.

But I have to do that anyways, I don't want to read Shoujo, Josei, Yaoi or Yuri stuff... those generally already fall off. My homepage is still filled with those... hell I have to scroll a lot anyways cause even in the categories im interested in there is a lot of crap. So in the end I still need to do that extra searching.

I'm not completely against non-Asian works being here, I just think that exceptions should be presented to the mods from the get-go for consideration as exceptions, and that if non-Asian works are to be allowed as a matter of course, I would really like a toggle so that people like me who are almost solely interested in culturally Asian works can filter out non-Asian works without the need for any extra effort beyond that.

I do agree, that in this case he should have asked a mod cause Canada wasn't in the list. That would have saved this discussion

But... I want a filter for non yaoi/yuri/shoujo stuff... Can I also have that? You get that almost every person has there preferences about what they want to have as function on Mangadex. While I do understand you would like it that way... in the end Advanced Search was made for that, to specify your preferences. I also use it if I search for manga (tbh, i general google or use mangaupdates if i really want to search for manga).

Edit: Well tbh there has been huge discussions in other titles... if it's constructive i don't see it as bad though but I'm not staff so they can disagree with this.

 

[Fitz]

@ Vverg: I'll continue the discussion in a private message.

 

[maximaxi]

Sorry for spawning a crazy amount of discussion. While I say that though, I read the replies carefully and appreciate you taking the time to post them.

I was stupid. That's the true story, I didn't see a Canadian/American flag option or anything, so I just chose Japanese and forgot about it. Absolutely, I should have contacted the mods and that was my mistake. Completely my mistake. I will see to it that the flag is changed. For anyone who doesn't want to read it because it's not from Japan, which is actually understandable and relatable from my point of view, they will be able to filter it out just as you can with French, or German comics/manga on this site. At least, that is what I will be suggesting to the mods.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'm sorry and hope that everything will come to a resolution soon. Thanks for your time.

 

[gaoP]

@Vverg
Look, I get there are webcomics here from Asia, but this website is obviously for a specific subculture that has a specific interest in Asian made comics. That isn't to say that this comic isn't good at all, it has decent illustrations and I'm sure there are people who WOULD enjoy it, but this isn't the site for it. There are plenty of western made web comics that draw heavy inspirations from manga and anime, but they aren't being uploaded here, they're being uploaded to social media and websites designed for western made web comics. And okay if mods decide that this is okay, yeah that's fine, it's not like it's my website or anything, but whats the difference between this and lets say a 13 year old's edgy badly drawn "manga"? They're both made with inspirations from anime and manga, and both made from non-Asian countries, aren't they? Yeah sure this one might be a lot higher quality obviously, but quality shouldn't be the determining factor of whether something should or shouldn't be uploaded here, it's the classification of the content itself that should determine that.

Also, another inherent difference between "manga websites" and sites for webcomics is the third party between the creator and the reader; the people translating it. The point of a manga website is that it's an aggregate of fan translated materials from a language that the core audience of the website does not know. i.e. Japanese --> English. If it's readily available in a language we can understand, and we want to read it, we can go to the source. That's the difference between an asian web comic and this one. If I knew korean or chinese, I could easily go to whatever websites they were being uploaded to and just read it there, no issue, but it's on here because I need it translated by someone gracious enough to work on it before I can read it, just like manga.

sorry for restarting this conversation, I just wanted to say my piece, but I'm done and I'm not gonna respond. If the mods are okay with it, that's fine, I hope they update the rules page and I hope that the artist, who was extremely kind and didn't try to angrily defend himself like I was afraid he might, does well. And it's not like what I said is going to change Vverg's mind at all, so there's no point in continuing this conversation. Sorry again.

 

[hokabi]

I would like to know if the maximaxiscans will continue working on this manga. or if they decided to stop. or know what happened

 

[maximaxi]

We're out of hiatus!

(Until the next Dragon Quest comes out. ?)

 

[PelvisBass]

Interesting I like it. Excited to see where this all goes