Outo no Hazure no Renkinjutsushi ~Hazure Shokugyou Datta node, Nonbiri Omise Keiei Shimasu~ - Vol. 3 Ch. 14 - Duty and Determination

[MangaDex]

 

[zeinzki]

yeah. guilty or not taking someone life, directly or indirectly still has burdens and tolls to someone whose aware. especially when they are kids.

glad the father is able to guide her properly.
this is why Father figure is important

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[bonusdungeon]

Just binged the available chapters. Still kinda amazed one of these "got the wrong skill" protagonists didn't get immediately exiled and instead has the most supportive family helping her along.

However it does seem like it's getting a little too easy for her now (even with her concerns about indirectly killing people). Whatever obstacles that arise just seem to be dispatched in the span of 2 pages, sometimes with literal deus ex machina.

 

[Pyras]

Just binged the available chapters. Still kinda amazed one of these "got the wrong skill" protagonists didn't get immediately exiled and instead has the most supportive family helping her along.

However it does seem like it's getting a little too easy for her now (even with her concerns about indirectly killing people). Whatever obstacles that arise just seem to be dispatched in the span of 2 pages, sometimes with literal deus ex machina.

Many many manga these days are not about overcome obstacles. It's not about power fantasy.
It's about living cozy lives. If anything, it's about chill fantasy. You know, the ability to just, chill.

 

[Wyrm]

It's good to see someone pause and reflect on their actions...
... but I also think this little alchemist is overthinking it in this case. And deciding not to make this potion again has its own potentially bad outcomes.

1. If she takes responsibility for the use of this potion, what about health and mana potions? Health potions can be used to keep soldiers alive who will then kill more enemies. Mana potions can be used to cast more spells to kill people. And the antidote potion she made to save the prince might have saved a future tyrant.
2. Conversely, she made a "chatty potion" that helped find a criminal. The fate of the criminal was then decided by the king. She didn't kill the mastermind, she didn't make him order an assassination. Her participation is limited to ensuring that they found the actual guilty party.
3. What about not making the potion, and a fake mastermind is framed for the attempt? Because it would be impossible to confirm if the suspect is telling the truth, the actual mastermind gets off the hook and an innocent is condemned to death. Or the prince succumbs to a new assassination attempt because the actual criminal escaped justice.

Actions have consequences, but inaction also does. One can only take responsibility to a certain extent. Or be crushed by the stress of every possible outcome.

Morality isn't easy.
Some are stupid enough to pretend it is. But it should be obvious that it isn't.
Being infinitely moral would require knowing in advance the outcome and impact of all your actions and taking responsibility for everything that others will do down the line. This is not the realm of humans.
It is difficult enough to know the immediate outcome of your actions, much more so the reactions of others.
The best one can do is think about what is humanly predictable and act with good intention.

 

[Seinvolf]

Thank u always for ur great work...
^^...

The guilty feeling after u cross the line...

 

[Miserys_End]

As @Wyrm detailed above if your goal is to prevent any of the items you make from either directly or indirectly causing harm to another individual, you might as well just resign yourself to never speaking nor doing anything more then existing. Even then, just the fact you exist could cause those around you to act against another in your defense or because they defended you.

 

[Tds-PdV]

If only Daisy could re-read ch.12, she might feel a bit better. The person that got punished was responsible for poisoning a child multiple times with a stronger poison each time. And if they did not get stopped, the attempt could escalate to something even worse as well.

So while it is only human to rightly feel terrible to be involved in condemning them, they did get what they deserved, and correctly as well due to the medicine.

That said, now that she knows she can’t mentally deal with it, it’s also only right that she takes herself out from this kind of process in the future.

In short, I think this was a quite well written chapter that shows her development.

 

[kaminomikan]

yeah, that's a promise that someone in his position can't keep.

 

[popinloopy]

Thank you for the chapter! Sometimes I forget that this isn't just a regular isekai, she didn't get to keep any of the memories of her past life and right now she is genuinely just a normal and scared child.

 

[Quarterdane]

Did that doggo just do a heckin glomp

 

[flannan]

It's good to see someone pause and reflect on their actions...
... but I also think this little alchemist is overthinking it in this case. And deciding not to make this potion again has its own potentially bad outcomes.

1. If she takes responsibility for the use of this potion, what about health and mana potions? Health potions can be used to keep soldiers alive who will then kill more enemies. Mana potions can be used to cast more spells to kill people. And the antidote potion she made to save the prince might have saved a future tyrant.
2. Conversely, she made a "chatty potion" that helped find a criminal. The fate of the criminal was then decided by the king. She didn't kill the mastermind, she didn't make him order an assassination. Her participation is limited to ensuring that they found the actual guilty party.
3. What about not making the potion, and a fake mastermind is framed for the attempt? Because it would be impossible to confirm if the suspect is telling the truth, the actual mastermind gets off the hook and an innocent is condemned to death. Or the prince succumbs to a new assassination attempt because the actual criminal escaped justice.

Actions have consequences, but inaction also does. One can only take responsibility to a certain extent. Or be crushed by the stress of every possible outcome.

Morality isn't easy.
Some are stupid enough to pretend it is. But it should be obvious that it isn't.
Being infinitely moral would require knowing in advance the outcome and impact of all your actions and taking responsibility for everything that others will do down the line. This is not the realm of humans.
It is difficult enough to know the immediate outcome of your actions, much more so the reactions of others.
The best one can do is think about what is humanly predictable and act with good intention.

Sure, with great power, comes great responsibility. But I think that a little girl who is an apprentice alchemist shouldn't be taking that kind of responsibility yet. Instead, the king should hire some good detectives and spies.
Besides, it is bad if the kingdom's justice system becomes dependent on the potion. Someday, criminals will find a way to deceive it. It's always a battle between technology of criminals and law enforcement.

 

[noore]

I also see a scenario where she doesn't make the potion and blames herself for not saving him
This situation sucks

 

[Seraphus]

Dude committed a serious crime; attempted murder of a child is literally the most serious crime, aside from successfully murdering a child.

Testifying in a capital case is terrifying; my spouse did so when their neighbor tried to murder his wife and infant, and it is... absolutely terrible. Just the act of testifying is nerve-wracking (not that it bothered my spouse; they were fucking furious then, and are still angry 25 years later).

But, just making the person speak the truth? That's kinda... 🤔
I'm glad her dad was there, because building a house doesn't make you liable for somebody dying in the yard, and this character (and hopefully every reader) should realize that being adjacent in this way should cause no guilt.

All our lil' loli-MC did was help somebody tell the truth; if the truth entails consequences, well... we call that the ol' "FAFO Equation," and no loli should fear such a thing...

[EDIT]
I really do NOT like the last pages, where she makes it plain that she would rather watch his (the King's) family die, and watch her family die, and allow herself to be killed, if the other option is holding a murderer responsible for their own actions.
I do not understand, or even accept, that line of thinking. If you would rather die than stop a person from murder, then... well, then please go and die already, sorry.
The entire concept is disgusting; the idea that you will do anything g to allow people to kill each other, as long as you don't have to feel poopy about stopping them from committing murder?
There have been people who believed this in modern society, true; but only in modern society. Because only in this current modern society have people been sheltered, been privileged enough to think such a ludicrous load of kumbayah horseshit... before then, they all were killed by the murderers they refused to stop.
And that's what they deserved.

This is utter bullshit.
And it's gross.

 

[Tairo]

All our lil' loli-MC did was help somebody tell the truth; if the truth entails consequences, well... we call that the ol' "FAFO Equation," and no loli should fear such a thing...

[EDIT]
I really do NOT like the last pages, where she makes it plain that she would rather watch his (the King's) family die, and watch her family die, and allow herself to be killed, if the other option is holding a murderer responsible for their own actions.

I get what you mean, but there's 3 other things to consider here.
1. The potion forces them to tell the truth, and takes away their free will. Even ignoring the "non-consent" aspect, while catching murderers is a good thing, imagine how easily that could be misused in many other circumstances.
2. She's a child, I think 7-years old at this point. She's a bit more mature than normal, due to some reincarnation shenanigans, but still very much a child. Even in modern courts, children are almost never asked to testify unless absolutely necessary. It makes sense she wouldn't want that responsibility right now.
3. The ingredients and recipe are now known to the royal family. She's not the only alchemist in the kingdom, just currently one of the better ones. It's very likely that another alchemist could make the same potion, at least a normal quality version, which is why the king is understanding when she makes that request.

 

[Darris]

I get what you mean, but there's 3 other things to consider here.
1. The potion forces them to tell the truth, and takes away their free will. Even ignoring the "non-consent" aspect, while catching murderers is a good thing, imagine how easily that could be misused in many other circumstances.
2. She's a child, I think 7-years old at this point. She's a bit more mature than normal, due to some reincarnation shenanigans, but still very much a child. Even in modern courts, children are almost never asked to testify unless absolutely necessary. It makes sense she wouldn't want that responsibility right now.
3. The ingredients and recipe are now known to the royal family. She's not the only alchemist in the kingdom, just currently one of the better ones. It's very likely that another alchemist could make the same potion, at least a normal quality version, which is why the king is understanding when she makes that request.

Yeah, this manga lost me. She's 7 yrs old. At 7 I was playing model rockets, riding my bike off dirt jumps, and directing g sheep eyes at science camp- not having an existential crisis.