Red Blue - Vol. 8 Ch. 72 - Continuation from that Time
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Thanks for the chapter!
In the video a left hook gets countered by a left high kick.
Not really. Seems like Aoba threw a jab in order to bait the right hook, a move that can be countered with a high kick. You can see here how a similar exchange goes:
In the video a left hook gets countered by a left high kick.
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The grip i had is he somehow become a crescent kick specialist quickly. Mastering moves takes time.
Well it's generally quite unbelievable how fast he's learning things and somehow winning in hopeless situations. There's the lore that he obsessively drills what he's learning to support his learning speed, but I also like to think that he isn't anywhere near having mastered the move so much as his opponents are still very inexperienced and are caught off guard which make it seem like he's effective and mastered the move when in reality he has the luck of the devil with his opponents having gaps which he happens to be able to exploit.
No man, you don't get it. It clearly was a right straight that he threw. I'm saying the timing on blocking the counter was unrealistic, on top of that you add the high kick after blocking is just fantasy.
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1. That's a short right hook. (Unless you mean what Aoba was throwing - yes that's a right straight not a jab, but he was clearly still baiting a specific reaction) 2. That timing is not unrealistic especially if he knows it is coming, 3. That high kick is not unrealistic at all
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I know none of you train so you wouldn't get it but I guarantee you it's fucking impossible to throw a right straight then instantly block a counter with your left elbow. You turn your hips throwing the right hand and blocking the counter with the elbow requires you to turn your hips back. To then turn your hips again to throw a right high kick, all this in the time it took for the other guy to finish recovering from throwing a lead hook? Absolutely impossible and never been done even once in any fighting sport.
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"Baiting a reaction" lol. You clown.
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Hey, felt the need to chime in. Sigil has written for a MMA magazine and has multiple years martial arts knowledge. I myself have been doing Martial Arts for 12 years now. Nothing about this sequence is unrealistic, firing a high kick after a block is an unorthodox counter (leaving you open for sweeps) but not uncommon in MT or Kyokushin. Dominic Hopkins liked to do this in a few of Kyokushin tournaments, Andy Hug (just to name a few famous names) did this a few times in K1 and you will probably see this often enough in any MT fight. I agree that its not often seen in MMA (takedown risk to high) but impossible? Blocking with the other arm doesnt require you to turn the hips, at worst the impact will you leave more shaking and unstable bc the impact force is higher. The most "unrealistic" part is that the kick connects before the punch but that could be due to timing. Dunno why you feel so attacked by Sigils comment but your reaction is on the same level as those guys on Sherdog lol.
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Hachiya has thrown himself completely out of position because he leaps in with his right hook which is why it takes longer for him to recover, Hachiya mentions this in the next chapter.
Is it a common sequence? Of course not, but it's far from impossible or even implausible. Hachiya doesn't work in combination much because he's an attribute dependant fighter who goes all in on singular shots. This is also the amateur scene where weird stuff is far likelier to happen.
Also the fact that he needs to turn his hips back to do that block allows him to immediately load up the kick to throw it after the block.
Oh and I used to train until I got injured and I'm currently in recovery from that. I've watched more MMA than you've had hot dinners so sit down young man.
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Hachiya does the same outside slip of the right straight and counter against Tamamatsu. Aoba feeds him the same punch to counter, defends against the punch that he knows is coming and then hits him with a headkick while he's out of position and can't recover or follow up.
This really isn't making sense, you KNOW you can't throw an actual right hand and block a monstrous leaping lead hook while being so out of position, get knocked off balance as well from the power and then deliver a right high kick BEFORE the opponent has even brought their hands back. Maybe if it was a probing jab, but not a huge hook that clearly causes you to lean back/knocked off balance from the impact.
You were completely wrong because a jab, block to high kick combo is trivial. A right straight to block with the left elbow to high kick again at THAT SPEED? Impossible.
You guys keep strawmanning me in such a pedestrian way. Of course it's easy to throw a high kick after a block, we all know that ffs. What's impossible is being perfectly countered when you shifted your weight left throwing your right straight, somehow blocking the monstrous punch and high kicking instantly before the other guy pulled his hand back.
"This is also the amateur scene where weird stuff is far likelier to happen."
Yeah sure, let's just assume Hachiya is a complete bum with 0 timing and was staring slack jawed for a solid second at his ineffective punch.
"Also the fact that he needs to turn his hips back to do that block allows him to immediately load up the kick to throw it after the block."
Listen man, I KNOW that. This would shit would work if the other guy leaned back to avoid your right hand and came back with a right hand or a committed power punch of his own. Then you had the time to recover from throwing your back hand and you execute the block and high kick.
"Oh and I used to train until I got injured and I'm currently in recovery from that. I've watched more MMA than you've had hot dinners so sit down young man."
In that case you should know better than to say that the timing was not unrealistic.
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Because Hachiya was out of position and couldn't recover his stance before Aoba kicked him with what Hachiya's corner woman mentally refers to as a prepared (I.e. drilled) sequence.
It isn't, Hachiya just made a mistake. He threw himself totally out of position with an overcommitted right hook.
Firstly this absolutely can happen (it's called taking a picture of your work) but Hachiya's position is entirely off, he's almost carried himself completely past Aoba if you look at the shot of when Aoba actually kicks him. People throwing themselves out of position and getting caught is absolutely something that can and does happen in MMA, Hachiya doesn't use a fundamentally sound striking system it's based on his attributes.
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