Renge to Naruto! - Ch. 42 - Extra Spicy!

[MangaDex]

 

[ErikTheRed]

Professor shelling out the harsh truths

 

[Angry_Panda]

Good for him to hear what was said and not what he thought was said.

Thanks for the chapter!

 

[Amariithynar]

Professor shelling out the harsh truths

Yes and no. you might love dinosaurs and want to research all you can about any and all of them in any way you can. Focusing it down to just one narrow part of the field is stupidly limiting for such a desire. There's a reason most actual science got done by hobbyist scientists not as a job but as a passion project. The commedification of scientific pursuit has resulted in a lot of junk and fake science, sadly.

 

[Curccoll]

Yes and no. you might love dinosaurs and want to research all you can about any and all of them in any way you can. Focusing it down to just one narrow part of the field is stupidly limiting for such a desire. There's a reason most actual science got done by hobbyist scientists not as a job but as a passion project. The commedification of scientific pursuit has resulted in a lot of junk and fake science, sadly.

A lot of scientists chasing research grants I’ve noticed. And a lot of research papers not worth the words on text, if they aren’t just completely fabricated AI generated stuff. Universities like to demand researchers publish a set amount of papers so they can use it as a metric when asking for grants or alumni donations.

 

[rudezki]

I know he thought he was saying the right thing, but he could've been a little less shitty about it.

 

[MisterMemeDaddy]

I know he thought he was saying the right thing, but he could've been a little less shitty about it.

Nah bro needs the truth, MC has no redeeming factors other than being tangentially involved with a big titty gyaru. I used to feel bad for him but honestly all of his problems are his own fault.

 

[pdonk]

Yes and no. you might love dinosaurs and want to research all you can about any and all of them in any way you can. Focusing it down to just one narrow part of the field is stupidly limiting for such a desire. There's a reason most actual science got done by hobbyist scientists not as a job but as a passion project. The commodification of scientific pursuit has resulted in a lot of junk and fake science, sadly.

I don't think the professor needed him to have a hyper-specific niche specialization in mind, but just literally anything beyond "i like dinosaws "

-I want to study how dinosaurs evolved
-I want to learn why the dinosaurs died
-I want to discover new species of dinosaurs
-I want to become an expert on Triceratops
-I want to manage the dinosaur exhibit at a museum
-I want to create accurate dinosaur models
etc.

Passion is crucial, but if you can't even clearly communicate what it is about the subject that fascinates you, then your passion is shallow. Which is a bad sign for people who want to commit time & money to grad school. The professor was right to try and sound him out on this one, fortunately Naruto took the right lesson from it.

 

[Amariithynar]

I don't think the professor needed him to have a hyper-specific niche specialization in mind, but just literally anything beyond "i like dinosaws "

-I want to study how dinosaurs evolved
-I want to learn why the dinosaurs died
-I want to discover new species of dinosaurs
-I want to become an expert on Triceratops
-I want to manage the dinosaur exhibit at a museum
-I want to create accurate dinosaur models
etc.

Passion is crucial, but if you can't even clearly communicate what it is about the subject that fascinates you, then your passion is shallow. Which is a bad sign for people who want to commit time & money to grad school. The professor was right to try and sound him out on this one, fortunately Naruto took the right lesson from it.

Since you apparently didn't read:

Yes and no. you might love dinosaurs and want to research all you can about any and all of them in any way you can. Focusing it down to just one narrow part of the field is stupidly limiting for such a desire. There's a reason most actual science got done by hobbyist scientists not as a job but as a passion project. The commedification of scientific pursuit has resulted in a lot of junk and fake science, sadly.

You literally replied to me saying "focusing it down to just one narrow part of the field is stupidly limiting" and then pointed to how to focus it down to just one narrow part of the field, which again, is stupidly limiting.

 

[salamiowl]

feather rex is outdated, author needs to do better research. modern day consensus is that it was scaly.

 

[Castane]

Shinji can use this chance to bounce back to studying a different field

 

[goro-goro]

man thats a thing that why im not really into academic life, most of them are too ambitious, theres some that are easy going too i guess, the more better publication you do the more you get recognized so that you might be recruited, sponsored, or have access on something you couldnt or shouldnt do, sometimes it requires you luck if you trying to make fortune, you could be someone who focus on study something for 30 years without getting any meaningful result or you could be a guy who just randomly analyze compound from various marine species then stumble a good one which is back to back progress become one of a standard cancer treatment under short decades

 

[YamiryuuZero]

Oof, that wasn't a very nice way to turn him down. The guy is finally learning to live his own life and have hope for the future beyond just making it through the month and the guy squashes his dreams just like that without giving a chance for him to even explain himself!

The least the old guy could have done was help him identify something specific to focus on, explain the different areas of the profession, the ups and downs, what sacrifices need to be done and help steer him into one direction, any direction, that he could choose in the near future. But shutting him down like that without even trying to understand his side?

Good thing he has a cheerful gyaru to help him rebounce, but that old man could very well have accidentally ended up turning him suicidal.

 

[Jimsock1]

Honestly, I agree with the professor in a way. Liking something or the idea of something isn't enough of a reason to pursue it as a career or passion. You got to have something you want to do or research. Areas that haven't been researched or discovered.

 

[LupusVir]

Oof, that wasn't a very nice way to turn him down. The guy is finally learning to live his own life and have hope for the future beyond just making it through the month and the guy squashes his dreams just like that without giving a chance for him to even explain himself!

The least the old guy could have done was help him identify something specific to focus on, explain the different areas of the profession, the ups and downs, what sacrifices need to be done and help steer him into one direction, any direction, that he could choose in the near future. But shutting him down like that without even trying to understand his side?

Good thing he has a cheerful gyaru to help him rebounce, but that old man could very well have accidentally ended up turning him suicidal.

He didn't squash his dreams. He applied the tiniest bit of pressure to them. If they were squashed as a result (they weren't, as we can see), then they weren't worth anything in the first place.

Moreover, if what the dude said turned him suicidal (it didn't), then he was already suicidal. This was nothing.

ALSO, you keep saying he shut him down, squashed his dreams, etc, even though the chapter shows us his intention. He literally just said to think about it more and get a better idea of what he wants to do. And he was right. Saying "I want to be a doctor and help people" is great in high school and maybe even undergrad school, but you shouldn't enter grad school without having an idea of what field you want to go into. Even "I want to be a generalist that doesn't focus on a specific field" could be an answer, but he hadn't even thought about it yet. He probably doesn't even know what paleontologists actually do day-to-day.

I do agree the guy could have been more polite, but this was already a kindness. The cruel thing would be to let him run into this same wall later when he's in debt.

 

[Takuma_Aki]

Yes and no. you might love dinosaurs and want to research all you can about any and all of them in any way you can. Focusing it down to just one narrow part of the field is stupidly limiting for such a desire. There's a reason most actual science got done by hobbyist scientists not as a job but as a passion project. The commedification of scientific pursuit has resulted in a lot of junk and fake science, sadly.

Well, prof is right though. Entering a grad school without reseaech in mind is just wasting time and money.

Grad school isn’t designed to produce ‘Expert Enthusiasts’ in a specific field; it is designed to produce ‘researcher’ in that field. Without any research topic in mind, you’ll be crunched to find any and all topic just to produce a dissertation for your graduation, or just waste time there until you run out of it and be forced to resign from the program.
It really is not enough to just think you like this field and you should continue to grad school of it. Speaking from personal experience here…

 

[Amariithynar]

Well, prof is right though. Entering a grad school without reseaech in mind is just wasting time and money.

Grad school isn’t designed to produce ‘Expert Enthusiasts’ in a specific field; it is designed to produce ‘researcher’ in that field. Without any research topic in mind, you’ll be crunched to find any and all topic just to produce a dissertation for your graduation, or just waste time there until you run out of it and be forced to resign from the program.
It really is not enough to just think you like this field and you should continue to grad school of it. Speaking from personal experience here…

You can be a general researcher paleontologist that doesn't specialize in one specific sub-field just fine. Just look at Stephan Jay Gould and what he was able to do.

 

[Takuma_Aki]

You can be a general researcher paleontologist that doesn't specialize in one specific sub-field just fine. Just look at Stephan Jay Gould and what he was able to do.

That'd still mean you have a research topic in mind, right? Currently, Naruto seems to just want to enter the program and that's it - and that can lead to him having to scramble for a research topic later which is not a really good thing. If he start with topic in mind, or at least some idea what he actually wants to get out of the program, not just to enter and spend time learning about Dinosaur, that's a lot better start.
Yes, starting with no topic or idea about doing research in mind doesnt always lead to bad result, but statistically speaking, it's a lot more likely, and Prof just try to prevent that.

 

[Amariithynar]

That'd still mean you have a research topic in mind, right? Currently, Naruto seems to just want to enter the program and that's it - and that can lead to him having to scramble for a research topic later which is not a really good thing. If he start with topic in mind, or at least some idea what he actually wants to get out of the program, not just to enter and spend time learning about Dinosaur, that's a lot better start.
Yes, starting with no topic or idea about doing research in mind doesnt always lead to bad result, but statistically speaking, it's a lot more likely, and Prof just try to prevent that.

I'm not saying specializing is bad, at all. As you said, having a specialization idea gives you an idea towards what research you want to do, but there's nothing wrong with just being a generalist, either. Delving deep in a specialization gets lots of knowledge within that, but unless it can get cross-connected appropriately then it's just as bad as a shallow knowledge pool that exists only on surface level and never deepens, either. Starting at the shallow lake of generalist knowledge and researching such, deepening one's knowledge further and providing that supporting base for deeper specialization knowledge is just as important as doing that specialized research.