Return Survival - Ch. 3

[MangaDex]

 

[Subaru_69]

Ch 4 gonna have a better view. If u understand what i mean 😗

 

[Mojo]

That little PSA at the end reminds me of how a bunch a people at in the USA are picketing the shut downs that are supposed to slow the spread of Corona virus. Yes, because gathering in a large group and shouting in close proximity to each other with out even wearing masks is going to speed up everything going back to normal during a pandemic. (sarcasm if you can't tell)

And the Darwin award goes to..... *drumroll*

 

[Elroy79]

@Mojo

Without trying to get into a long debate about this, since you said you were being sarcastic, I want to point out five things. First, you're being naive and believing everything you're told even if you know someone who caught COVID. So you're operating on the assumption that everything you're told about the virus is both true and accurate. Two, you're ignoring the damage this "Slow the Spread" method is doing to everything else. After it's all said and done people will be hurting worse from joblessness, homelessness, lack of food, etc. Look into how supply chains work. When people who supply things are shut down then the supplies go away. Period. Lack of supplies doesn't just negatively impact grocery stores and your ability to eat, but also the ability to go to healthcare facilities and get treatment for various things, including other fatal diseases, far more fatal than COVID. Etc.

The virus is real. Reaction to it was an overreaction. New information comes out regularly showing that we, one, didn't know enough to justify our overreaction and two, it's not what everyone was made to believe it was. Three, power-hungry people are using it to enforce authoritarianism. If you're all for authoritarianism, that's you, don't try to force it on everyone else because mainstream media and opportunists ramped up your fear levels over 9000.

 

[Mojo]

@Elroy79 triggered much?
Oh yes, I've know someone who has died from Covid and my local hospitals are putting people in the hallways for lack of hospital beds and the healthcare system is overwhelmed. But it's all a "overreaction" and a conspiracy. Sure man, whatever.

 

[Elroy79]

@Mojo

And I can show you and tell you about plenty of hospitals not overwhelmed. As I said, the virus is real, just like millions of people die from new strains of the flu, other coronaviruses (SARS, MERS, etc) and plenty of other viruses, diseases, etc. and we didn't/don't overreact about them. We don't shut down the world (primarily Western civilization) over them. Make that make sense.

People die. It's unfortunate, people die from the flu, cancer, AIDS, etc. We don't go shutting down things for all of that. Again, make that make sense.

And I hope you don't miss the point in all of that.

By the way, I know people who caught COVID and recovered. Plenty of them. I know some who believe they had COVID waaaaaaay back in 2019. My boss was out of office for weeks with a respiratory infection late in 2019. Information is coming out now that COVID was far more widespread than we believed meaning the deathrate was far lower than originally presented. Make that make sense.

My grandfather died from cancer, uncle from cancer, grandmother from heart disease, etc. We aren't out shutting down cigarette companies, reordering food companies, etc. COVID comes, Media overhyped it, China lies about it, everyone goes out of their minds. Make all that make sense.

Know some people who died from COVID too. Death is a part of life.

I'll be interested to see your reaction when food runs out at the stores and aren't restocked because of social distancing and forcing "non-Essential" places to shut down or be inoperative because of social distancing. Another study came out indicating social distancing really didn't do much either, but I'm a conspiracy theorist, riiiight.🙄No, I like to be informed and think for myself rather than caught in herd mentality.

 

[RazDog]

@Eloroy79
Yeah cause the deaths of millions if we didn't do any lockdown wouldn't hurt jobs as-well. haha.

 

[Mojo]

@Elroy79 TLDR! 🤣😂😅

 

[Elroy79]

@RazDog

Millions die from flu each year, do we do a lockdown each year? No, we don't. Nor do we do for more deadly diseases and viruses. That's the point those like you keep missing.

@Mojo

Ok

 

[RazDog]

@Elroy79
Theres also the chance of it mutating into something that could kill alot more, low chance but still there and would be alot higher chance if we just let people roam around and spread it to everyone

 

[Elroy79]

@RazDog

We've had mutated versions of the flu. Again, we didn't react that way. Please, educate yourselves: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2018-2019/decade-since-h1n1-pandemic.html, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494236/, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html, and SARS a mutation of coronavirus was a pandemic before the new flu strain: https://jvi.asm.org/content/89/7/3870. Just to name a couple within the last two decades.

I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance here. We've had pandemics and new virus strains that mutated and we didn't react this way to them. Sadly, hundreds of thousands died and in the case of the flu, still die up into the millions. We do not shut everything down for them. When Swine flu happened, a new strain, we did not overreact and shut everything down. People caught it, people died, people developed natural immunities to it. And no, this is not an "It's just the flu bro" argument.

 

[Chacha11]

Thanksss

 

[RazDog]

@Elroy79
First of SARS wasn't a pandemic, it was a epidemic. Had around 774 death's in the 03 outbreak. https://www.cdc.gov/sars/about/faq.html
1918, had 50 million worldwide, health conditions back then wouldn't have been great and would have made it a lot harder to actually survive if you caught it. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
2009 H1N1 has a estimated 151,700-575,400 deaths in the first year. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
COVID has 195.920 reported cases worldwide (not including untested duh) and thats WITH the lock down. Imagine how many cases there would be if we didn't have lock downs.

 

[Elroy79]

@RazDog,

TL;DR version, flu infects millions worldwide each year, despite having a vaccine for it, millions still get infected. Yet, we don't shut down.

Media treated SARS the same as they did COVID-19, H1N1, H3N2, etc. We still didn't close down, that's the point you missed. Same with the 2009 flu outbreak, Media ranted and raved about it, we didn't close down. H1N1 Swine flu has been with us since its appearance and in its first year, it claimed more lives than COVID-19 has: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html. Same with MERS in 2012, another coronavirus mutation, Media fearmongered about that, yet we didn't close down and I'm aware it's numbers are not that high. That's not the point, the point was that you said COVID-19 might mutate, I said we've had plenty of viruses that were mutations and we still didn't shut down.

I know ya'll don't like comparisons to the flu per the media who killed those comparisons since they show the ridiculousness of the reaction to COVID-19, but strains of the flu have infected millions each year and kill tens of thousands each year according to reported numbers. Of course, it could be more since we've gotten used to the flu and related deaths, etc. may not be reported as often as COVID-19 is now. COVID-19 isn't even near these numbers of infections, yet we.do.not.shutdown.during.flu.seasons: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html. See that, millions are estimated to be infected yearly. COVID-19 comes around, everyone loses their minds.

Let me reiterate for you, the point is that in each of these outbreaks in the last two decades, the media ranted and raved to some degree, growing more fearmongering with each situation til now in which politicians added on to it with the shutdowns. We did not close down the world during the previous outbreaks, pandemic or epidemic, we didn't shut down. The flu, which comes around each year, kills tens of thousands of people worldwide. In February, when people were starting to up their fear levels on COVID-19, the flu had infected millions of people in the U.S. alone and killed upwards to16,000 in the U.S. COVID-19 is still under 12,000 in the U.S.: https://www.contagionlive.com/news/us-flu-cases-reach-29-million-have-we-hit-peak-season.

A Stanford study concluded the death rate was far lower, while a Berkley study that focused on Italy claims it was far higher and another study that focused on New York also claimed it was far higher. Antibody tests indicate far more people have been infected than reported which leans credence to the Stanford study if far more people have caught the virus and survived. While other epidemiologists think there may be several strains of the virus floating around and some may be more deadly than others. Notice everything in all of this, they don't have definitive answers. So how long do we stay shut down, locked in homes, afraid of the air we breath and the people around us?

Edited to add: The telling thing in all this is how we end up talking about the deaths and not the recovery numbers. Which would definitely tell a different picture.

 

[enperadorea]

She THICC BOI
She is a keeper

 

[Speederzdk]

@Elroy79 @RazDog How do ya’ll feel about corona now that 8 months have passed?

 

[RazDog]

@Speederzdk
World a fuck send help

 

[Elroy79]

@Speederzdk, I still think it's a virus with an overhyped reaction. The vast majority of people, even among the elderly and those with immunocompromised systems will and have recovered. Media, opportunistic politicians, opportunistic authoritarians, and fearmongers that have been fearmongered themselves only talk about cases and deaths. Now people are talking about mandated vaccinations, tracking people who take it, not letting people buy, sell, conduct business without it. Etc. Again, all of this for a virus that well over half of those who caught the virus have recovered from it: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and https://www.statista.com/statistics/1087466/covid19-cases-recoveries-deaths-worldwide/. The other half are either still sick with recent infections or they are the vast, overwhelmingly small minority that has passed away, unfortunately. Let me reiterate and you should really look at Statista's bar graph to get perspective, worldwide the vast, overwhelmingly small minority have passed away from COVID-1984.

For the past 8 months we've locked down and that's hurt small businesses (creating big corporation monopolies), people who need jobs (now dependent on government handouts), countries with weaker economies and poorer populations, etc. but the people who supposedly care about the little guys throw that care out the window to regurgitate everything they hear from selective experts and ignore other experts in qualified fields that disagree. People were always going to catch the virus. The goal post shifted, in the U.S., at least from "lockdown for just a few weeks to slow the spread" to "lockdown for more weeks because we have to stop people from catching it" which is absurd. People were always going to catch it.

These same people seem to have a pop-culture understanding of a vaccine in that a vaccine = cure and not that a vaccine = giving you a dormant version of the virus which is still you catching the virus. Not to mention whatever other things they throw in the concoction. So now you can't bring up questions about the vaccine. Let's not get into how some of the people taking it on television to popularize it and build trust were caught using empty syringes. Let's not get into studies and qualified individuals raising questions about some of the side effects or the potential that some have pointed out it has the potential to sterilize females, etc. Nope, all of those things are conspiracy theories

So I still think the same. The virus is real, the reaction to it is overhyped and a bunch of authoritarians and opportunists that wanted to be authoritarians are taking advantage of it and using it to get their way politically. I'm not even going to get started on all of the politicians, business leaders, economists, etc. talking about a Great Reset because the same people that have been fearmongered believe that to just be a conspiracy despite all of the influential people talking about it.

 

[Kshatria]

i know this is still first chapter but in zombo where they mostly bites, simple protection is needed
BUT i never knew any manga/manhua/comic where they use any kind of armor
sure armor is heavy, but it's not you even wear knight armor!!
just wear protection on arm, legs and neck offers much better protection than none (using thick book is even enough, at least for normal zombo)

 

[Velsy]

I feel like the pacing is horrible. As if its rushed just to get an MC a follower.