Risou no Kanojo - Vol. 2 Ch. 25

[VanillaHentai]

So he was there, actually coming around to give Flatchest exactly what she wanted, when she decided to belittle him in front of her friends--with a smile on her face, no less. You say it's not slander, but it was: "at this rate, he won't be able to get anyone [for what you, my friends, have said,] so I'm just doing him this favor". The implication was clear--MC-kun was right to regard her words that way, because that's exactly what they would mean in a context like that (i.e., in response to disdainful slander from strangers).

idk what are you trying to say... but the point is belittling, which is covered by my mentioning of condescension, is not the same as slander/defamation. what she said was not, within reason, untrue, as he got a girlfriend years later i.e present, via another pretend relationship arrangement. So it is not slander. She did not claim he has a lack of integrity(that would generate mistrust from others) as an example of slander.

There is no need to compare against slander, cheating etc to "minimise" impact nor was "minimising" the point. The action/words hurt him and protag has every right to dump her.

However, its readers that pretend as if this is some great betrayal that is silly, which was the point. It is objectively no big deal. it did not foster mistrust between him and others nor did she cheated on him.
He suffered no financial damage as far as I recall from this episode too, nor any effects on prospects(e.g worse grades, delayed graduation etc)

I did not rebut timcal because I agree with them. Flat was in the wrong. She was weak, she failed a (minor)test of character.
And he was weak too. It was nothing major, nothing beyond a talk to resolve(be it stronger couple moving forward or explicit break up), he did not do it.
Do i blame him? No, thats what growing up/cgaracter growth is about.
But again, the point was others pretending this to be some unforgivable act. If, suppose she was reacquainted with him after Mako joins the harem, which if it ever happens, would be volumes i.e arcs away, what she did vs how much he has grown would be insignificant.
So similarly, she was wrong, but its fine. Points for her that she actually learned her lesson.

 

[Giga]

idk what are you trying to say... but the point is belittling, which is covered by my mentioning of condescension, is not the same as slander/defamation. what she said was not, within reason, untrue, as he got a girlfriend years later i.e present, via another pretend relationship arrangement. So it is not slander. She did not claim he has a lack of integrity(that would generate mistrust from others) as an example of slander.

There is no need to compare against slander, cheating etc to "minimise" impact nor was "minimising" the point. The action/words hurt him and protag has every right to dump her.

However, its readers that pretend as if this is some great betrayal that is silly, which was the point. It is objectively no big deal. it did not foster mistrust between him and others nor did she cheated on him.
He suffered no financial damage as far as I recall from this episode too, nor any effects on prospects(e.g worse grades, delayed graduation etc)

I did not rebut timcal because I agree with them. Flat was in the wrong. She was weak, she failed a (minor)test of character.
And he was weak too. It was nothing major, nothing beyond a talk to resolve(be it stronger couple moving forward or explicit break up), he did not do it.
Do i blame him? No, thats what growing up/cgaracter growth is about.
But again, the point was others pretending this to be some unforgivable act. If, suppose she was reacquainted with him after Mako joins the harem, which if it ever happens, would be volumes i.e arcs away, what she did vs how much he has grown would be insignificant.
So similarly, she was wrong, but its fine. Points for her that she actually learned her lesson.

What I was trying to say was quite clear.

You said that what Flatchest said about MC-kun was not--within reason--untrue. It was patently untrue--she, herself, was interested in him. (Despite my despising her presence in the story, I find that incongruity pretty amusing.) What she implied was that without her mercy, he couldn't get a girlfriend--but she was the one who had to push, guilt, and prod him into accepting her. But whether or not it's untrue has no bearing on the point I was trying to make: she's a friend of MC-kun's, a close friend of his, and has revealed herself to have always wanted to be more than just friends with him--and she was happy enough disparaging that guy behind his back as long as he couldn't hear. This wasn't just her saying it to him and no one else--this was Flatchest saying it to other people: she was worsening his reputation--and this as opposed to properly standing up for him, as she was even thinking of doing. She could have stood by him (where she wanted to be) in his absence, but she consciously chose the acceptance of her peers over the guy she claimed to be friends with, to be in love with. You overestimate the ability of an apology to fix something like that--or, perhaps, underestimate just what was going on between them (however out-of-place it was in this story).

As for her learning her lesson, how does telling flagrant lies to play the role of a homewrecker--right in front of MC-kun's new girl (as far as Flatchest knows)--show that she has? She chose to treat him as unworthy, their relationship consequently died before it could start, and so she's come back saying that she didn't say the relationship was over when she sees him with another girl--what she herself said he couldn't get, no less.

She learned nothing: being brazenly arrogant ensures she wouldn't and didn't, otherwise she'd understand her error and wish MC-kun well from a distance.

Spoiler: My suspicion

I wouldn't be surprised if people are also sick of seeing an androgynous character like her show up for no reason at all aside from a love triangle that adds nothing to the story, and because Sara herself has a lot of qualities that typically keep the girls who have them from being romantically successful--especially with a girl like Flatchest right next to her. As I said before, neither the MC nor the author have any interest in a girl like her, and the story was going fine with someone like that, but there she is. She's probably there because of editorial meddling.

 

[VanillaHentai]

What I was trying to say was quite clear.

You said that what Flatchest said about MC-kun was not--within reason--untrue. It was patently untrue--she, herself, was interested in him. (Despite my despising her presence in the story, I find that incongruity pretty amusing.) What she implied was that without her mercy, he couldn't get a girlfriend--but she was the one who had to push, guilt, and prod him into accepting her. But whether or not it's untrue has no bearing on the point I was trying to make: she's a friend of MC-kun's, a close friend of his, and has revealed herself to have always wanted to be more than just friends with him--and she was happy enough disparaging that guy behind his back as long as he couldn't hear. This wasn't just her saying it to him and no one else--this was Flatchest saying it to other people: she was worsening his reputation--and this as opposed to properly standing up for him, as she was even thinking of doing. She could have stood by him (where she wanted to be) in his absence, but she consciously chose the acceptance of her peers over the guy she claimed to be friends with, to be in love with. You overestimate the ability of an apology to fix something like that--or, perhaps, underestimate just what was going on between them (however out-of-place it was in this story).

As for her learning her lesson, how does telling flagrant lies to play the role of a homewrecker--right in front of MC-kun's new girl (as far as Flatchest knows)--show that she has? She chose to treat him as unworthy, their relationship consequently died before it could start, and so she's come back saying that she didn't say the relationship was over when she sees him with another girl--what she herself said he couldn't get, no less.

She learned nothing: being brazenly arrogant ensures she wouldn't and didn't, otherwise she'd understand her error and wish MC-kun well from a distance.

Spoiler: My suspicion

I wouldn't be surprised if people are also sick of seeing an androgynous character like her show up for no reason at all aside from a love triangle that adds nothing to the story, and because Sara herself has a lot of qualities that typically keep the girls who have them from being romantically successful--especially with a girl like Flatchest right next to her. As I said before, neither the MC nor the author have any interest in a girl like her, and the story was going fine with someone like that, but there she is. She's probably there because of editorial meddling.

where was she "happy enough" disparaging him, pray tell? She literally acknowledged that she was wrong. (source: chapter 24 page 9)
Nah, she learned her lesson well enough, you are just stuck on a minor detail isnt true...i am not even sure if you recognise the lesson. (I am nit attacking you, I am, from your reply, inferring that we might not be referring to the same thing at all)

 

[Giga]

where was she "happy enough" disparaging him, pray tell? She literally acknowledged that she was wrong. (source: chapter 24 page 9)
Nah, she learned her lesson well enough, you are just stuck on a minor detail isnt true...i am not even sure if you recognise the lesson. (I am nit attacking you, I am, from your reply, inferring that we might not be referring to the same thing at all)

Page eight of that same chapter. "Happy enough" is a figure of speech--you aren't familiar with it? When I said that she was "happy enough" to do what she did, I meant she was comfortable enough with the idea to do so--and indeed, she rationalized it to herself even after telling herself that it was the wrong move, as I said before. She was indeed happy enough doing so, for it would maintain her standing with her friends...who meant more to her than MC-kun.

On page nine, her reflection was a remorseful recollection of her apology--which, like that apology, was after the fact. Flatchest had already done the deed--she doesn't have a right to question what happens to her afterward because of it, and her implicit insistence that she does is proof positive that she hasn't learned a thing, in her selfishness. That insistence comes in the form of her playing homewrecker and forcing her way back into the life of the milquetoast MC-kun. See, when you wrong someone, you don't show penitence by effectively doubling down on your wrongdoing and trying to gratify yourself on the one you wronged--even worse, wronging him further as you do so.

That being said, I have a saying: apologies are only meaningful while you're thinking of doing wrong. If you don't understand what I'm saying, I recommend rereading what I said--while, to be totally frank, doing so without treating Flatchest with kid gloves.

 

[VanillaHentai]

Page eight of that same chapter. "Happy enough" is a figure of speech--you aren't familiar with it? When I said that she was "happy enough" to do what she did, I meant she was comfortable enough with the idea to do so--and indeed, she rationalized it to herself even after telling herself that it was the wrong move, as I said before. She was indeed happy enoug

h doing so, for it would maintain her standing with her friends...who meant more to her than MC-kun.

On page nine, her reflection was a remorseful recollection of her apology--which, like that apology, was after the fact. Flatchest had already done the deed--she doesn't have a right to question what happens to her afterward because of it, and her implicit insistence that she does is proof positive that she hasn't learned a thing, in her selfishness. That insistence comes in the form of her playing homewrecker and forcing her way back into the life of the milquetoast MC-kun. See, when you wrong someone, you don't show penitence by effectively doubling down on your wrongdoing and trying to gratify yourself on the one you wronged--even worse, wronging him further as you do so.

That being said, I have a saying: apologies are only meaningful while you're thinking of doing wrong. If you don't understand what I'm saying, I recommend rereading what I said--while, to be totally frank, doing so without treating Flatchest with kid gloves.

No, she has learned her lesson, Ironically you missed the lesson.

Her apology is irrelevant. Always have been irrelevant.

Personally, I would recommend realising that apologies are NEVER meaningful. Its just an ego trip. Hence, they are irrelevant.
Reflection is(realising what one did wrong AND implementing a new habit to correct future issues.).
Things dont magically fix themselves, just because someone realised they were in the wrong and apologise, however sincerely.

That being said, what she did was still trivial.
Was she wrong, yes?
Would sincerely apologising work? No. As stated, apology is irrelevant. ( So whether you think she was sincere or not in said apology is 2nd order irrelevant kekw)
Any major damage done? No. So idk why you and others are making such a big fuss out of a nothing burger.