Saikyou Ansatsusha, Class Ten'i de Isekai e - Ch. 20

[MangaDex]

 

[Oeconomist]

The only manga character — hero or villain — who does not stop to talk when he or she would be better served by acting is Frieren. Even the mute characters pause to sub-vocalize.

 

[TheBlackGamer]

The only manga character — hero or villain — who does not stop to talk when he or she would be better served by acting is Frieren. Even the mute characters pause to sub-vocalize.

Okay? So? Who exactly are you even talking about to make a comparison to the retarded elf?

The protag? He only speaks when necessary or if he thinks it's better to explain something in detail. He's shown to be very decisive and to the point constantly. And it's the writing style to explain his thought process and plans.

Arashi? The delinquent that obviously isn't very smart and has a high opinion of himself.

Seriously what exactly are you trying to say here.

 

[Shamz]

This could be an interesting plot progression if the hero candidates decide to run away and make their own faction to go against both the demon and the human faction. But theyre more likely going to be subdued next chapter.

 

[Oeconomist]

Okay? So? Who exactly are you even talking about to make a comparison to the retarded elf?

The protag? He only speaks when necessary or if he thinks it's better to explain something in detail. He's shown to be very decisive and to the point constantly. And it's the writing style to explain his thought process and plans.

Arashi? The delinquent that obviously isn't very smart and has a high opinion of himself.

Seriously what exactly are you trying to say here.

The “so” here is that having characters pause to verbalize is crap writing.

In this chapter, Arashi doesn't swiftly do kill Gaias. Instead, Arashi attacks, and then pauses to posture and to declaim. As a consequence, Gaias has time to respond in a way that will foil the attack.

In previous chapters, other characters have done so. That's how this story and most manga/manhwa sustain themselves.

In real life, even stupid, everyday punks learn better.

You're in no position to dismiss anyone or any character as retarded.

 

[TheBlackGamer]

The “so” here is that having characters pause to verbalize is crap writing.

In this chapter, Arashi doesn't swiftly do kill Gaias. Instead, Arashi attacks, and then pauses to posture and to declaim. As a consequence, Gaias has time to respond in a way that will foil the attack.

In previous chapters, other characters have done so. That's how this story and most manga/manhwa sustain themselves.

In real life, even stupid, everyday punks learn better.

You're in no position to dismiss anyone or any character as retarded.

Either you haven't paid attention like at all or you honestly just wanna be stupid to character flaws. The punk should've wised up after Gaias beat his ass on their first meeting but no. He's held a grudge since then and has not let it go and still constantly would attack him despite being weaker. This dude hates Gaias. And now? He has him on the ropes battered and beaten. Of course He's gonna gloat over the dude that has hurt his pride since day 1. The fact you can't understand that and call it "bad writing" tells me you haven't been paying attention period.

Other characters aren't the punk. If it was the MC he wouldn't bother would this and wait for a prime opportunity if he thought killing Gaias helped him in some way.

Also please everyday criminals are not as smart as you think they are. They're opportunistic but being opportunistic does not equal being smart.

Sorry I called Frieren retarded I should've been more clear. She's emotionally stunted because of her long age. I wasn't using it strictly as insulting as more an accurate description of her. And yes I have every right to call someone or something retarded. Whether it's accurate is a different argument entirely and that's where you can criticize me on. Tho I think calling her retarded is still accurate.

 

[DiscountJoJo]

I think you guys have a manga stuck in your self promotion

 

[Oeconomist]

Either you haven't paid attention like at all or you honestly just wanna be stupid to character flaws.

No, you just wanna delight in characters' behaving in some ways, even if that behavior is implausible.

The punk should've wised up after Gaias beat his ass on their first meeting

Indeed.

but no.

Implausibly not.

Of course He's gonna gloat

There's no “of course” to it; you're trying to worm-out with a begging of the question.

The fact you can't understand

The fact that you don't want to understand tells us that you really need the vicarious thrill of seeing a bully trip himself up, even if implausibly so, because you or someone about whom you cared got bullied. Sorry about that, but don't go postal when it's pointed-out that actual people don't behave that way.

The fact you can't understand that and call it "bad writing" tells me you haven't been paying attention period.

I've paid attention, but unlike you I don't want my fantasy stories to have characters whose basic psychology doesn't exist outside of fantasy. And, unlike you, most of the people here don't lose their shit when the absurdity is noted, because they don't need the absurdity.

everyday criminals are not as smart as you think they are.

No one said that they were smart. But everyday criminals do not monologue. Any criminals who monologue are either destroyed or get that habit beaten out of them before high school.

She's emotionally stunted because of her long age.

Frieren was emotionally dissociated as a child; you haven't been paying attention.

I have every right to call someone or something retarded.

You don't know the full scope of “right”, which word in any case I did not use.

Whether it's accurate is a different argument entirely and that's where you can criticize me on.

Which I did.

Tho I think calling her retarded is still accurate.

You think that because of your own cognitive limitations.

 

[TheBlackGamer]

No, you just wanna delight in characters' behaving in some ways, even if that behavior is implausible.

??? When did I say that? All I have said is explaining why him gloating makes perfect sense and is in character with what he's done up to this point. You just don't want to accept an obvious character flaw he has and think no one would ever act like that when people do in fact act like that.

Indeed.

Yes he should've and it's great we agree but you obviously refuse to understand why he wouldn't let that go.

There's no “of course” to it; you're trying to worm-out with a begging of the question.

No? I literally explained why he would gloat in this situation. You ever notice when he was first introduced he was yelling at the MC to notice him. He was trying to assert dominance. Even after they were transported to the isekai world and he tried to sneak attack him he starts gloating about how weak the MC's ability is and constantly gloats afterwards. Throughout the series the dude has been a douche that thinks he's the shit and will put down the MC as weaker than him but at least understands teamwork when it matters. He's hated Gaias for what he's done to him ala hurting his ego and has waited for the perfect opportunity. Now that his trap sprung and Gaias is on his knees bleeding he of coursed gloats and calls his boys for a lynching. It's not weird or out of the question he would gloat because he's done it multiple times up to this point. The dude has never been one to be straight to the point he's always had a mouth and would always shit talk. If you seriously don't get that. I don't know what to tell you other than you're being dumb in understanding the character and story.

The fact that you don't want to understand tells us that you really need the vicarious thrill of seeing a bully trip himself up, even if implausibly so, because you or someone about whom you cared got bullied. Sorry about that, but don't go postal when it's pointed-out that actual people don't behave that way.

No the one who refuses to understand this is you. I don't know how you can sit there and tell me people don't act like this in real life when social media exists. There exists hundreds of videos of people admitting crazy shit because they're narcissists or have a giant ego and think they can get away with it. There's so much evidence of people doing horrible stuff, admitting it, and nothing happens to them because they know there won't be evidence to catch them or they know they won't be caught. Or the worse part they're let go because the system won't hold them because their crime is too minor or the DA let's them off scott free. Either you're blind to the realities of the world or think fiction can't have some basis on reality.

Also the fuck? I want the bully to be beat up? When did I even imply that? There's mind reading and then there's reaching so hard you smack yourself with sheer stupidity. I don't care what happens to the delinquent. Him fucking up like this is almost expected because he couldn't let his grudge go. I knew something like this might happen since chapter 1 so his ego being his downfall is not surprising in the least. Also don't project insecurities onto others when no one mentioned anything about insecurities.

I've paid attention, but unlike you I don't want my fantasy stories to have characters whose basic psychology doesn't exist outside of fantasy. And, unlike you, most of the people here don't lose their shit when the absurdity is noted, because they don't need the absurdity.

Refer to earlier point. The way he's acting isn't any different than some street thug getting back at someone for killing his homie. Or someone bumping into them, escalating to yelling match, street fight, yelling match again, and either someone dies or cops come and they both try and run. I can't tell if you're naive on how delinquents and ghetto people are or just really think that stuff doesn't happen.

No one said that they were smart. But everyday criminals do not monologue. Any criminals who monologue are either destroyed or get that habit beaten out of them before high school.

Just to point out while he was gloating Gaias was getting his shit kicked in by his traps right after he hit him with a full blast from his ability. It's not like he was just standing there and nothing was happening. Even when Gaias was standing up Aragi called his boys over. Too say he was just monologuing is inaccurate.

Also just to point out people talking shit while they beat someone up can happen. Seen it plenty of times with slurs being thrown around as criminals lynch someone.

Frieren was emotionally dissociated as a child; you haven't been paying attention.

You're right I haven't because I don't care for that series. Only know about it through osmosis from my friends talking about it. You correcting me on what her condition is, is actually worse. So she's emotionally retarded and can't understand her own emotions properly let alone emotions of others like a normal person. You correcting me just makes me think my initial premise was correct.

You don't know the full scope of “right”, which word in any case I did not use.

Telling me I have no position to use the word is no different than telling me I don't have the right to use it because you think I lack authority. You can argue semantics all you want dude but you basically are telling me I have no right to use the word.

Which I did.

Yep you did and your correction did not change my opinion

You think that because of your own cognitive limitations.

Nah I think that because that's what I've basically been told by friends and now you. Only difference between you and them is that you told it in better accuracy than them.

 

[Oeconomist]

??? When did I say that?

No one said that you said it. You performatively demonstrated it.

him gloating makes perfect sense

No, it doesn't, for the reason already given, of which you should have been aware before it was given. You just have some felt need for his behavior to make sense.

You just don't want to accept an obvious character flaw

No one denied that the character flaw is obvious. The problem is that it is implausible.

when people do in fact act like that.

No, they don't. People pause to gloat in situations of other sorts, but the cost of pausing for any reason in confrontations involving serious injury and powerful opponents swiftly price people out of that market.

There exists hundreds of videos of people admitting crazy shit because they're narcissists or have a giant ego and think they can get away with it.

And here you stupidly point to situations of a very different sort. Try to find videos on social media of people pausing to gloat during something like a life-or-death battle with an opponent whom they know to be powerful.

I want the bully to be beat up? When did I even imply that?

As I said: You performatively demonstrated it.

The way he's acting isn't any different than some street thug getting back at someone for killing his homie.

Again:

Any criminals who monologue are either destroyed or get that habit beaten out of them before high school.

Or someone bumping into them, escalating to yelling match, street fight, yelling match again,

Nope. The confrontation in the story isn't at all like that. It is a preplanned hit against an opponent known to be powerful and to have powerful allies.

Too say he was just monologuing is inaccurate.

What I said was that he was pausing to verbalize when his interest lay in acting.

people talking shit while they beat someone up can happen.

Which makes part of my point: I didn't say that he shouldn't verbalize; I said that he should not stop to talk:

not stop to talk when he or she would be better served by acting

People talking as they act is no counter-example.

You're right I haven't because I don't care for that series. Only know about it through osmosis from my friends talking about it. You correcting me on what her condition is, is actually worse. So she's emotionally retarded and can't understand her own emotions properly let alone emotions of others like a normal person. You correcting me just makes me think my initial premise was correct.

Your attempt to claim that you're even more right for being wrong and that I'm even more wrong for being right is especially silly. You didn't understand that character, full stop. You don't know what “retarded” means, full stop. No indication has been given that Frieren's psychologic development is in any way slower than that of any other Elf. What is relevant here is that she doesn't pause when immediate action is in her best interest.

Telling me I have no position to use the word is no different than telling me I don't have the right to use it because you think I lack authority.

Again, you don't understand the full scope of the word “right”.

You can argue semantics all you want dude

The only way out of your conceptual muddle here would be for you to get the semantics correct. That would mean understanding the difference between “right” in reference to something that may not be forceably opposed, and “right” meaning that which has justification. With the first sense, nearly anyone may be said to have the right to make patently unjustified claims, but doing so violates the second sense ex definitione.

your correction did not change my opinion

I write with the rest of the audience in mind, so I'm fine with your exposing yourself as someone who imagines that he wins if he refuses to admit error.

that's what I've basically been told by friends

If your friends have truly told you that, then they are fools, but we cannot know that you've understood them.

now you

Nope. Not at all what I've said.

 

[deanopenguino]

the fact that a professional assassin hasn’t recognized the Saint is so obviously associated with the demon cult is crazy… literally even the normal high schoolers should recognize by now😭 I mean cmon they can’t be that dumb… also the fact that so many of the students just casually consented to murder is crazy. They had like two girls effected by it and the rest of the kids are just chill with stabbing and burning people to death? The screams, the sight and the smell of burning a human alive with your own hands would haunt anyone for months.

 

[NotMyKey]

J shoot the grandpa with the blicky lmao

 

[NotMyKey]

No one said that you said it. You performatively demonstrated it.

No, it doesn't, for the reason already given, of which you should have been aware before it was given. You just have some felt need for his behavior to make sense.

No one denied that the character flaw is obvious. The problem is that it is implausible.

No, they don't. People pause to gloat in situations of other sorts, but the cost of pausing for any reason in confrontations involving serious injury and powerful opponents swiftly price people out of that market.

And here you stupidly point to situations of a very different sort. Try to find videos on social media of people pausing to gloat during something like a life-or-death battle with an opponent whom they know to be powerful.

As I said: You performatively demonstrated it.

Again:


Nope. The confrontation in the story isn't at all like that. It is a preplanned hit against an opponent known to be powerful and to have powerful allies.

What I said was that he was pausing to verbalize when his interest lay in acting.

Which makes part of my point: I didn't say that he shouldn't verbalize; I said that he should not stop to talk:

People talking as they act is no counter-example.

Your attempt to claim that you're even more right for being wrong and that I'm even more wrong for being right is especially silly. You didn't understand that character, full stop. You don't know what “retarded” means, full stop. No indication has been given that Frieren's psychologic development is in any way slower than that of any other Elf. What is relevant here is that she doesn't pause when immediate action is in her best interest.

Again, you don't understand the full scope of the word “right”.

The only way out of your conceptual muddle here would be for you to get the semantics correct. That would mean understanding the difference between “right” in reference to something that may not be forceably opposed, and “right” meaning that which has justification. With the first sense, nearly anyone may be said to have the right to make patently unjustified claims, but doing so violates the second sense ex definitione.

I write with the rest of the audience in mind, so I'm fine with your exposing yourself as someone who imagines that he wins if he refuses to admit error.

If your friends have truly told you that, then they are fools, but we cannot know that you've understood them.

Nope. Not at all what I've said.

As an objective third party and enjoyer of Freiren, I can say that you are definitely arguing semantics. Get off of your goddamn high horse when have you ever seen a “life or death battle”. This is a Japanese children’s comic. What the other guy was probably trying to say was that the red haired dude had all the character traits to act the way he did. Also, why are you typing like a smug 40yr old basement dweller.

ACTUALLY🤓🤓

 

[Neammaanniexistantav]

Wait wait what happened to that domination in last chapter