They don't know the extent of his power. He doesn't want them digging into his past and by that discover that the demon lord he failed to kill is not only be his side but they are working together.
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You've done a better job of explaining things than other people have, but I'm still lost on how they'd be able to any connection between pre-Kyouya Felice and current Felice. From everything we have, all that they should be able to gather is that Kyouya is crazy strong, unless Kyouya and/or Felice openly tell them what happened, and them just knowing he's strong shouldn't lead to any conflicts.
You're still well within the definition of "conjecture." Go back and re-read those definitions, tell me where exactly you have definitive proof for any of your claims. All you have as proof of anything is a lack of evidence, which does not remove your claims from the realm of conjecture. You cannot prove a god does not exist by the lack of evidence that the god does exist, same deal here, all you have for that he does not have cheat powers is that you have no evidence that he does.
Nope. Finally fell outside it this chapter. The machine insisted my thing was conjecture because technically the story didn't say one way or another whether he could have one. Now that the story specifically said you need a goddess, the fact that he wasn't summoned by one, and only ever knew the useless one outright confirms he doesn't. Unless you think the author's lying to us. At which point, you're in denial. I can't argue with the unreasonable.
Yeah I can. And this story outright tells you the conditions for cheat skills. Conditions MC hasn't met. Unless you think Felice is stupid.
Except, you know, the lack of any cheat skills, the lack of any goddesses at the beginning, the fact that MC was placed in a doomed world, directly in front of the Demon King who had specifically already been sealed away, and, in case you have the IQ of a 6 year old, Felice specifically telling us she summoned him so he could kill her.
No they wouldn't. This is, as you like to say, conjecture. Motivated reasoning, even. It's pretty clear you don't need to be a goddess to summon people. You don't need their cooperation to summon, either. If you did, this story wouldn't make sense, since Felice was locked up tight in that world, since she was too strong. Nobody would willingly help her summon yet more people.
You should probably re-read the story at this point. You seem to be having trouble following its basic elements. She was trapped in there. The prison wouldn't make sense if she could leave it. The option to escape only ever came up when she lost her root as a "Demon King". And at that point, she was, as even you understand, too weak to even take the shape of a person, much less breach whatever barriers you need to to leave.
This is only confusing to you because you're either completely unfamiliar with the genre, or willfully ignorant. I'm going to assume you started getting into anime and manga in the last few months, and just tell you how it goes:
The fact that she summoned him (if I am even remembering correctly, I had forgotten about the root thing) and that it wasn't a goddess sending him there. The fact that she is no longer in her cage, which I am sure someone can check. The fact that she still lives (yrs, she takes on the form of a cat, but this world may have something like "magic signature").
If "conjecture" means "never 100% proven", then both sides of this debate are firmly "conjecture". But some of what you've asserted isn't accurate, based on the manga so far. Until the manga is completed, then anything talked about would be from "incomplete evidence" as something could come up later in the manga, even if it contradicts things stated previously.
As I said in my other, lengthy reply, I think the reason the goddesses didn't notice the MC's irregularity is because of how many heroes are summoned and return. So when a hero returns, each goddess probably only takes note of "One (or a group) of my heroes has (or have) returned," or "A hero (or group of heroes) belonging to somebody else has (or have) returned."
Sorry. I didn't see your other post. While I do certainly read through as many people's comments as I am mentally capable of doing, I stop after I write my own post. Generally speaking I am not even aware of posts afterwards unless it is quoting mine or some @ me.
Bless your heart for re-reading more of the story than even me in all of this. But you've descibed categorical statements supporting everything I said. Like you said, the only thing left is a retcon at this point.
Did he say something that was accurate? I feel like you covered every point he made after this bit.
Your argument here is "He doesn't have cheat powers because his summoning didn't go through the goddesses, and he didn't go through the goddesses because he doesn't have cheat powers." You've got circular reasoning going on. If A, then B; If B, then A. Your reasoning only supports your side under your own assumptions, you have no actual grounding for either statement to be true.
I'm gonna chime in, "usually" does not not mean "always." If she meant that he was alone in that then she would have said "other" or "those," "usually" implies that that is not always the case; if 50.1% of summoned heroes meet with a goddess and remember it, that is still "usually" even though 49.9% do not. She also made the description of how abilities are unlocked more broad by saying "beings called goddesses" instead of just "goddesses." (subtle difference, but of great significance to the meaning) Further, if Kyouya was not taught what his ability was, or that it was a unique ability, then he'd have a hard time showing it off even if it wasn't some subtle passive ability like [Infinite Potential].
Yes. I can use the fact that he doesn't have a cheat power to infer a goddess didn't summon him. The same way you can infer the ground isn't wet because it didn't rain. The ground isn't wet because it didn't rain, and it didn't rain because the ground isn't wet. Except this real-world example is actually less conclusive than what we have. In the story, they're explicitly telling us both who summoned him, and that goddesses are the only way to get cheat skills. At least the ground can be wet for non-rain related reasons.
I suggest you re-read the story.
Yes. It literally does.
There was a gate back. Meaning they sent a guy, and they had a way for him to go back.
I'm literally feeding it facts about the story.
Not a difference at all. Especially not in Japanese.
Your comparison is not equal, your argument is a loop of assumptions and you're comparing it to verifiable fact. The ground is wet? You'd know that because you have the actual wet ground as proof of that, it does not rely on the idea that it rained. Your argument though is only assumption and the only support you have for either assumption is the other assumption.
I have, and I dare say that I'm paying more attention to it than you ever could.
It does not. She summoned him, but that does not mean she did not summon him the exact same way every other hero summon goes, or are you going to say that every hero that was summoned by a kingdom is also not a hero? You have no proof he was not summoned through the goddesses other than your own assumption.
They continued to send heroes to go after a demon lord that has destroyed at least 3000 worlds, that they could not defeat with the previous how ever many heroes, yet they still sent heroes after her. So if Felice made a hero summons through the goddesses, why wouldn't they fulfil it? You have no reason why they wouldn't, and you can't prove that they didn't.
Along side your own assumptions that you proclaimed to it as fact.
There is a difference, especially in Japanese. If she specifically meant only the goddesses, there is no reason why she wouldn't just say "the goddesses" instead of "the beings called goddesses" unless she's speaking hearsay with no idea if what she's saying is actually true. You never see or hear any character that knows what they're talking about wording things that way unless they intend to be vague about it.
I had just posted it, so there was basically no way for you to see it. I was simply making a shorter post to only reply to your question, instead of expecting you to read a long post that wasn't a reply to you, that also had that answer in it.
