Sekirara ni Kiss - Vol. 6 Ch. 21
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I feel bad for him coz the very first time he felt like he really wants something/someone he can't even have it...😩
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@kdramalover28 I think it's karma 'cause up till now he's always been taking away everything/everyone from his brother even though he didn't really want it. Suffer, you bastard.
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Chitose is kinda dumb too tho right?
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'his all' lol .... but she should of guarded herself against him more
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Some of the people who have been ranting against Yui have not been paying attention.
His acquaintance with Chitose dates to when they were children; Yui was the boy who got her to start crafting objets d'art, and her reaction to that earlier interaction meant a great deal to him.
And he never sought to take things from Kinosuke; things were given to Yui that Kinosuke wanted. There has been no indication that Yui knew the motivation of the girl who dated Kinosuke in an attempt to get to Yui, and Yui didn't subsequently date the girl. Nor does it so much seem that Kinosuke resents Yui for things going to him; Kinosuke resents that Yui didn't value the things that went to him that Kinosuke wanted. (But no one should have valued that earlier, scheming girl!)
Yui's great error was in not looking for Chitose when they were older.
Had this story begun with Yui as the central character, discovering that the one person about whom he had really cared was now in an initial courtship with his brother, almost every reader would be rooting for Yui. He's not a villain. He's a decent person whose timing is tragic.
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His acquaintance with Chitose dates to when they were children; Yui was the boy who got her to start crafting objets d'art, and her reaction to that earlier interaction meant a great deal to him.
And he never sought to take things from Kinosuke; things were given to Yui that Kinosuke wanted. There has been no indication that Yui knew the motivation of the girl who dated Kinosuke in an attempt to get to Yui, and Yui didn't subsequently date the girl. Nor does it so much seem that Kinosuke resents Yui for things going to him; Kinosuke resents that Yui didn't value the things that went to him that Kinosuke wanted. (But no one should have valued that earlier, scheming girl!)
Yui's great error was in not looking for Chitose when they were older.
Had this story begun with Yui as the central character, discovering that the one person about whom he had really cared was now in an initial courtship with his brother, almost every reader would be rooting for Yui. He's not a villain. He's a decent person whose timing is tragic.
Also, if someone needs an emoticon not on a button above and not on his or her keyboard, then the thing to do is to copy it from a Unicode table. Here is the anger emoticon: “😠”
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@Oeconomist, I have been paying attention. BUT!, going after someones girlfriend is not ok. and it is even is Brothers gf, which makes it worse. It doesn't matter if he never intentionally took anything from his Brother, it doesn't matter how he feels. What does matter is that he chose to go after his brothers gf(the fmc), which makes him a douchebag and an idiot.
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@WoodyCyber, and exactly on what basis is it not acceptable to pursue someone's girlfriend?
People have different intuitions about these things. Some believe that one shouldn't pursue a person in whom a friend has a prior interest, even if that other person isn't yet a boyfriend or girlfriend. Others believe that the line isn't drawn until there's an engagement. But there have been plenty of romantic stories in which the hero or heroine actually acts to win the heart of someone already betrothed.
Kinosuke's objection was exactly and only that Yui didn't really care about Chitose, and Kinosuke is simply wrong about Yui's feelings. The audience is given access to many of the thoughts of the characters, and none of them — including Yui, Kinosuke, and Chitose — have been presented as thinking that Yui is violating some ethical principle in trying to win the heart of someone with a boyfriend simply because she has a boyfriend. The principle that somehow seems obvious to you apparently it isn't any more obvious to Kinosuke or to Chitose than it is to Yui.
If you can actually make the case for such a principle, it would be genuinely interesting, but those who don't presently recognize the principle aren't thereby shown to be douchebags or idiots.
People have different intuitions about these things. Some believe that one shouldn't pursue a person in whom a friend has a prior interest, even if that other person isn't yet a boyfriend or girlfriend. Others believe that the line isn't drawn until there's an engagement. But there have been plenty of romantic stories in which the hero or heroine actually acts to win the heart of someone already betrothed.
Kinosuke's objection was exactly and only that Yui didn't really care about Chitose, and Kinosuke is simply wrong about Yui's feelings. The audience is given access to many of the thoughts of the characters, and none of them — including Yui, Kinosuke, and Chitose — have been presented as thinking that Yui is violating some ethical principle in trying to win the heart of someone with a boyfriend simply because she has a boyfriend. The principle that somehow seems obvious to you apparently it isn't any more obvious to Kinosuke or to Chitose than it is to Yui.
If you can actually make the case for such a principle, it would be genuinely interesting, but those who don't presently recognize the principle aren't thereby shown to be douchebags or idiots.
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@oeconomist it is unethical. They literally make up slang terms for these things. Such as “bros over hoes” or it’s bro code not to go for your friends girlfriend etc.
it’s worse that Yui is his actual blood brother. If this was about some random guy unrelated to kinosuke who knew and fell in love with Chitose first, then that could be seen differently cause he has no relations to him and therefore no guilty feeling. But in this case, no matter what a situation like this it’s fucked up to go for your brothers girlfriend.
it’s worse that Yui is his actual blood brother. If this was about some random guy unrelated to kinosuke who knew and fell in love with Chitose first, then that could be seen differently cause he has no relations to him and therefore no guilty feeling. But in this case, no matter what a situation like this it’s fucked up to go for your brothers girlfriend.
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@Sensiteeve27,
There are many codes in this world, including The Bible, al Qu'ran, and The Book of Mormon. You can't just point to a code and claim that it's the code.
The bro code principle expressed by “bros over hoes” (or, more frequently, by “bros before hoes”) is more generally that male friends should prioritize each other over all women in all cases (excepting the mothers of these males), with the notion that no woman (excepting the mothers of these males) is really anything other than a whore. I reject the idea that my friends who are male are ipso facto more important than my friends who are female, and the notion that women in general are “hoes”.
Beyond that, you've made some bald declarations. Pitting your intuitions as such against the intuitions of others isn't helpful.
There are many codes in this world, including The Bible, al Qu'ran, and The Book of Mormon. You can't just point to a code and claim that it's the code.
The bro code principle expressed by “bros over hoes” (or, more frequently, by “bros before hoes”) is more generally that male friends should prioritize each other over all women in all cases (excepting the mothers of these males), with the notion that no woman (excepting the mothers of these males) is really anything other than a whore. I reject the idea that my friends who are male are ipso facto more important than my friends who are female, and the notion that women in general are “hoes”.
Beyond that, you've made some bald declarations. Pitting your intuitions as such against the intuitions of others isn't helpful.
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@oeconomist I don’t like the term bros over hoes either, just like I don’t like the slang “chicks over dicks” but it’s what people say. Just cause I don’t like it, doesn’t mean I’m gonna dismiss it as a nonexistent thing. fact remains that we live in a very judgmental culture and it is even harder against women than on men. The one who would look bad in the end will be the girl to other people and they will think she is some hoe who tried seducing both brothers, or “she is a girl who is easily swayed” 🙄 even tho she is clearly not since she does not control how both brothers feel about her.
If you don’t respect your friends or siblings relationship, then no one is gonna trust you or want to associate with you because it is an unethical thing to do. If she was single it would be a different thing, because she would be “fair game” and open to go to whoever she wants. But specifically hitting on her behind her boyfriends back who happens to be your brother is wrong especially since he is aware that both are happy and in love. You are betraying your brothers trust of you, and making them always have to be on the defense if you ever get a girlfriend or it can lead to him never wanting to associate with you ever.
If you don’t respect your friends or siblings relationship, then no one is gonna trust you or want to associate with you because it is an unethical thing to do. If she was single it would be a different thing, because she would be “fair game” and open to go to whoever she wants. But specifically hitting on her behind her boyfriends back who happens to be your brother is wrong especially since he is aware that both are happy and in love. You are betraying your brothers trust of you, and making them always have to be on the defense if you ever get a girlfriend or it can lead to him never wanting to associate with you ever.
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@Sensiteeve27—
As I already said, there are many different codes of conduct. Simply insisting that the code that you embrace is the code of ethics isn't a useful argument. Telling me that some action is unethical because it's unethical is a waste of electrons.
And if you're going actually to make a case for some code, then you need properly to identify which code. You cited the bro code, but you want to dissociate yourself from its central thesis.
Yui hasn't gone behind anyone's back, and Chitose isn't married, which is to say that she is single. If you want a serious discussion, then your attempts to frame the situation need to conform to the story.
Yui has been honest both with Chitose and with Kinosuke. And if Chitose and Kinosuke are happily in love, then Yui's professions of love will not pull them apart. (In fact, they are, and his situation looks hopeless; but his actions don't look unethical.)
As I already said, there are many different codes of conduct. Simply insisting that the code that you embrace is the code of ethics isn't a useful argument. Telling me that some action is unethical because it's unethical is a waste of electrons.
And if you're going actually to make a case for some code, then you need properly to identify which code. You cited the bro code, but you want to dissociate yourself from its central thesis.
Yui hasn't gone behind anyone's back, and Chitose isn't married, which is to say that she is single. If you want a serious discussion, then your attempts to frame the situation need to conform to the story.
Yui has been honest both with Chitose and with Kinosuke. And if Chitose and Kinosuke are happily in love, then Yui's professions of love will not pull them apart. (In fact, they are, and his situation looks hopeless; but his actions don't look unethical.)
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