Sensei's White Lie - Vol. 5 Ch. 28 - Rain

[ajgalvez13]

Oh men. I was kinda tolerant with it when Hayafuji was just a plot device for the sake of the story. And now author is giving him character development? What's next? Misato's brother? Hahaha... er wait, this story's obviously going there alright. -_-

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
The reason for why no one has reported it, is hamfisted drama, but we knew this from the start, also I would ask for sources to prove that rape in Japan ruins the life of the victims.

Terry Crews is a coward, that did not name names, because he is afraid of getting blacklisted, the law cant protect those that dont want to be protected.

Like I said the "hearts in their eyes meme" is in full effect in this manga.

The manga is bordering on the fetishistic side of rape right now, with how much some of the women are enjoying it, while at the same time feeling torn apart by conflicting feelings, its not good and its one of the most base reasons for drama, this is pretty much a Telenovela at this point.

 

[Doomroar]

@boag easiest google scholar search of my life, didn't even had to polish it:
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_fac/iatl/reinvention/issues/volume11issue1/gray/

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-005-2680-7

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09555800701422852?scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=rjfo20

Here you can get even more, happy reading man: https://scholar.google.com.co/scholar?as_q=rape+victims+Japan&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=war&as_occt=any&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5

Oh also some news articles just to add some fluff to it:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/woman-s-fight-highlights-rape-taboo-in-japan-1.3559299

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/29/japans-not-so-secret-shame

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/world/asia/japan-rape.html

Terry Crews did name Adam Venit as his assaulter, a name that we know because he didn't hide the name, so if you are going to call him a coward you will have to first inform yourself better, second call him a coward on some other basis that this, because as of now you are just slandering his name, while also indulging in victim blaming.

And you are sharing some of those telenovela ideas, which is damn pitiful.

Finally this is unrelated, but weren't you the same guy bitching about Kronix trolling? and yet here you are... take a moment reflect on how Kronix has better footing on this serious matter than you, while you are on this.

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
Had to go digging for more up to date data, and even still its 4 years off.

https://knoema.es/atlas/Jap%C3%B3n/topics/Estad%C3%ADstica-criminal/Ataques-Secuestros-Robos-Violaci%C3%B3nes-Sexuales/Violaciones-a-nivel-nacional-conteo

The statistics dont backup the idea that theres that much rape in Japan, will have to wait for newer data.

When Crews came out with it, he did not name his attacker.
https://www.businessinsider.com/terry-crews-sexually-assaulted-by-hollywood-executive-2017-10
If he did now, good on him and I retract my statement.

im comparing this manga to Telenovelas that push drama full shit, which isnt good, im not glorifying it.

lastly, im trying to have a decent conversation with you, but if you cant have one then you can Fuck Off, im half tempted to unblock bitchnix "Waaaaa I only trollin, I dont like being trolled" just to see this "Serious Comment" you claim he has, but if you are this much a cunt, then I see no need for it.

 

[Doomroar]

@boag what does rape statistics have to do with rape perception and how victims have to deal with it and the response of society to their situation? that data while accurate is irrelevant to what we are discussing here good sir, you just had to read the abstracts of the papers man, really now. We are not talking about how much rape happens, we are talking about how victims of rape deal with the aftermath of the rape.

Good, now you have to retract your statement on all your other victim blaming regarding this manga, because even if you don't consider Terry Crews a coward anymore, you still called all the other victims one, fictional or not.

You are actually, indeed glorifying it by sharing the same wrongful opinion, hell it comes from the POV of a rapist that tries to remove part of his blame and push it on his victims.

I'm kind of glad that it offended you that much, i see now that you really despise Kronix, and yet the troll that got on your nerves so much to the point you blocked him, realizes that it is not the fault of the victims that their rapist is getting away with their rape, and even more he is not ignoring their circumstances and the repercussions of a victim and the things they have to dealt with, of course he uses very coarse language, but he gets the point, while you on the other hand aren't, twice, and even with a real life and famous case of sexual assault, and yet you haven't figure out that you are doing it.

I don't want, and i am not asking you to unblock kronix, if you don't like him that's fine, but what i do ask is to reflect on your ideologies, and think, at least for a moment on something so simple that even a troll stops being a troll and admits that it is a fucked up thing to say, hell Kronix himself thinks that the other guy was trolling, and now i myself have to wonder if you are trolling me right now.

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
The statistics have everything to do with it, I cant believe you seriously just asked that.

The difference between REALITY and FICTION, is that one actually happens, and the other is subject to the whims of a writer, you should have learned that back in elementary school.

I dont even understand what your damn point about me comparing this to shitty Telenovelas is anymore, are you defending Novelas as some sort of rightous medium, or are you saying that this Story is a factual retelling. Cause in both cases you need to a reality check.

Nah bitch, Kronix blocked me first, cause the little cunt couldnt handle the banther, then he went on to whine about HOW VICTIMIZED HE WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS TROLLING HIM! /Falssetto.

Also i find it very disturbing, that you are on the one hand saying that im victim blaming, and then praising Kronix about it, when he has stablished by himself, that Rape is something Alpha Chads do and that women love it.

You want me to reflect on my ideologies? Take a good long look at the arguments youre making first.

 

[Doomroar]

@boag oh please enlighten me sir, what is the relationship between quantitative number of rape cases, and the qualitative experience of the rape victims after the rapes are committed?

And yet you have disrespected real people which is worse, well at least you apologized for one case.

That's fair, maybe you forgot what we are talking about, here let me remind you what my point is, the point is that it is NOT the victims fault that their rapist gets away with their rape because they don't get to report their crime in time, because (and this is something you are constantly missing, and right now are purposely trying to avoid) the threatening, the violence, and the own dismissive, sexist, and unfair views of society towards rape victims makes it difficult for them to report the crime, specially when they are being blamed for what happened to them, like you are doing, and then come worse out of it when they finally make the reporst, like the studies i presented you show, studies which you ignored because to these peoples are cowards or a bunch of hamfisted drama characters.

And yet that little cunt is more mature than you in this matter, how do you respond to that?

Oh the difference between kronix and you is that he is a troll, his avatar is a troll face, when he says that, he is joking and everyone can tell for how over the top and absurd his trolling is, which is also why he is also so easy to ignore, you on the other hand, you are being serious, and THAT IS actually disturbing.

I am aware of my arguments, specially the one that bothers you, that one being, that a troll is more mature than you when it counts, which is true, and it will remain true until you change your bigotry mindset.

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
you said

the legal system in japan screws the life of rape victims

I asked for statistics, to which you came up with outdated data that didnt even address the issue and a tragic story.
I can see how you lost track of the conversation, but then moving the goalposts and strawmanning my argument is a bad faith argument.

yet you have disrespected real people

There is a huge difference between holding an opinion on internet message board and going up to someone and telling him he is a coward, if you are getting offended by my criticism of Crews, that your issue not Crews.

Its not the victims fault

Of course it fucking isnt, what impression did I ever give you that it was the victims fault?
What ive kept saying is that there is a need to get the authority involved, and you keep bringing up how theres this whole cabal in society to keep women from talking about their rape, when statistics dont reflect that, even in your outdated links the amount of hard data comprising women getting no help from police is so low it can be considered the rare event and not the norm. What would your anwser be to dealing with this issue if not going to the authorities? Just remain silent?

How do I respond to an argument i havent read, seen or heard? gee I dunno, how do you?

Lets see, you got offended at me for calling out the AUTHOR OF THE STORY, for hamfisting the events of the story, yet you are claiming Kronix is faultless because he is just trolling, even though he has been advocating for Rape, Rape of Minors, Sex with Children, Homophobia and Racism in every series he posts and youre excusing all this by

it s just trolling

I can see why you would think hes more mature, seems like you need to do a lot of growing up yourself.

 

[Doomroar]

I asked for statistics, to which you came up with outdated data that didnt even address the issue and a tragic story.
I can see how you lost track of the conversation, but then moving the goalposts and strawmanning my argument is a bad faith argument.

Statistics for quality of life after being raped? you know that's not how those studies work... well of course you don't why else would you ask for such a thing, also the data that you present is still irrelevant, it doesn't address the point, it shows number of rapes and other crimes in Japan, but it doesn't addresses the victims and their circumstances and what they have to dealt with, why they don't report their rape, and how society and others sees them as rapes victims, all of this information of course is not addressed by your link, and it can't be addressed by the kind of studies you want.

However! don't think even for a moment that just because one type of study doesn't exist due to methodological limitations, that i can't answer your demand, so hold your reply and keep reading, for as a matter of fact humanity has developed another different way to address something closer to what you want, they are attitude studies on how people view rape victims, and of course they have also been done in Japan, and they are of the quantitative kind since you are so worried about statistical significance, and they are also from this decade:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0022022108318133

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2158244016675015

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10896-014-9644-z

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01544182

I am even gonna give you a link to http://sci-hub.tw/ so that you can get access to the papers, which personally don't think should be behind paywalls anyways due to the nature of the theme they cover.

They may not cover all the factors of course because that's an inherent limitation of statistics, but they do cover the theme we are discussing, being that society is not friendly towards rape victims and makes it hard for them to report their rape, a thing tat you keep ignoring btw.

There is a huge difference between holding an opinion on internet message board and going up to someone and telling him he is a coward, if you are getting offended by my criticism of Crews, that your issue not Crews.

Is the same, it may not seem so at first, but it is, because i brought Crews to our discussion as an example, that is, as a representation of a victim, and your answer as thus not only disrespects him, but also those he represents, when you call him a coward and dismiss his position you are also doing the same for those with similar circumstances.

Of course it fucking isnt, what impression did I ever give you that it was the victims fault?

Oh really now? this, this is what gives that impression:

His victims did allow him to get away with it, none of the girls ever went to the cops, not even the friend has gone to the cops, and they all seem to have just fallen for "its not rape if they have hearts in their eyes" meme.

The reason for why no one has reported it, is hamfisted drama, but we knew this from the start, also I would ask for sources to prove that rape in Japan ruins the life of the victims.

Terry Crews is a coward, that did not name names, because he is afraid of getting blacklisted, the law cant protect those that dont want to be protected.

and you keep bringing up how theres this whole cabal in society to keep women from talking about their rape

All of these are examples of victim blaming, and they are precisely a part of the very problem you refuse to acknowledge, this is precisely a part of why people have difficulties reporting their rape, hell one of the studies linked above even mentions this, but you insist on burying the problem under the excuse of statistical significance, an excuse i hope you can no longer use, and that it never made any sense using, because the problem was reported and documented and i gave you several links showing it and you dismissed it, and is that very attitude you hold in which you keep disregarding it that just adds to it.

How do I respond to an argument i havent read, seen or heard? gee I dunno, how do you?

Well of course you wont respond, since you keep ignoring the problem on purpose, it stands to reason that you can't acknowledge something that you refuse to see. And this is hilarious on its own, because among that google scholar link i gave you there are papers describing this exact phenomenon that you are showing:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801204271663

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1025108103617

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801209340758

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/psysoc/52/3/52_3_163/_article/-char/ja/

And of course, they all are about Japan, but you are a good example of how the problem is not a localized one.

I can see why you would think hes more mature, seems like you need to do a lot of growing up yourself.

Oh Kronix is an immature troll alright, but like it or not, for this very serious matter he is not being an immature troll.

You on the other hand, insist on there not being a problem, and saying that it is the victims fault that their rapist get away with their shit for not reporting them, or not reporting them in time, ignoring both their circumstances, and also adding to the violence that makes it difficult for them to make the reports. But i do agree with one thing, i made a mistake, i called you immature, when i shouldn't have done it, because that doesn't describes you right now, what you are being is ignorant, and if you keep insisting on this you after reading what i am sending you and telling you, you will become something else, not immature not, but actually toxic and malicious.

 

[boag]

@Doomroar next time freaking ping me so i can respond.

Statistics for quality of life after being raped?

Again with the stramanning, youre claim was

the legal system in japan screws the life of rape victims

Address it with statistics.

This http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2158244016675015 was an interesting read, until they started conflating any form touching as rape, theres a difference between harrasment, molestation and rape, and then it only addresses it on college campuses, How the hell do you want to apply this enviroment to everything?

when you call him a coward and dismiss his position

Hold up here, I called him a coward, but i never dismissed his position, I aknowledge he was harrased, but not taking action after being harrased is the reason i called him a coward, I went to look into the matter a bit more and it seems he never even named the producer until AFTER he got an apology letter, and HE STILL DIDNT PRESS CHARGES!

this is what gives that impression:

Do you have some reading comprehension issues?
Is English your second language or something?

The victims are not responsible for the rape, they are responsible however for letting the creep roam free and commit more, the fact that the sensei never reported the rapist to the police, allowed him to roam free and rape another girl, how the hell do you even defend this?

Well of course you wont respond,

Im not responding, because i havent unblocked Kronix, you had all this time to either quote or screenshot him to show me up on how mature and insightful his comments were, but you dont seem to want to do that for some reason. You seem to be conflating this to something else.

Now for your papers
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801204271663
sources are around 20 years old and focuses on school campuses.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1025108103617
This one goes all the way back to the freaking 80s

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801209340758
Latest relevant data back to the 90s!

Are you actually reading these or just googling whatever comes up first?

You on the other hand, insist on there not being a problem, and saying that it is the victims fault that their rapist get away with their shit

You keep making these bad faith comments, and the only reason i keep respoding is to show you up on your BS.

Ill make my points clear so you can follow:
1.- the girls are not responsible for being raped
2.- The girls not going to authorities does allow the rapist to roam free
3.- This isnt something that normally happens in real life, the stats prove its not a normal occurrance, and there are no stats that show that law enforcement is complicit in demonizing victims on the regular. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime
4.- You are trying to demonize me via bad faith arguments, if that isnt the definition of Toxic and Malicious I dont know what is, take a long look in a mirror and see what you become, when you are going to bat for dude that constantly advocates for rape and sex with children as a norm, and dismiss it cause "LOL HES JUST TROLLIN"

 

[Doomroar]

@boag

next time freaking ping me so i can respond.

My bad, but you seem obfuscated enough to check this anyways, so is not like that matter much.

Again with the stramanning, youre claim was the legal system in japan screws the life of rape victims
Address it with statistics.

First of all you don't know how statistical studies work, proof:

and then it only addresses it on college campuses, How the hell do you want to apply this enviroment to everything?

They are called statistical samples, they exist because statistical investigators don't have access to the totality of a population, so they have to use a representation of a population, a sample, studies that don't use samples but the totality of a population can only be done by the estate or with extremely small populations, and are known as population censuses (which is what you keep linking, and i keep telling you is irrelevant), which don't cover most themes in life, at all.

For themes like these, the perception and attitudes toward rape victims, and the negligence of the state, you can't make a census, is close to impossible (plus there's also the small detail that the census doesn't tells you why something happens, it is just raw data), but you can make an investigation using a population sample, in this case with Japanese college students as your representative sample of a Japanese population, which then is randomized to avoid cherry picking individuals and keep away bias, as to how those findings can be generalized to the rest of the population they have to deal with the validity of the study, which depends on the methodology used which was good enough for them to get their paper published in Sage Journals.

Second of all, and i agree completely with you here, i did show evidence only of how society victimizes the victims of rape, but not of the evidence for how the legal system neglects them, that's true, but that doesn't means that the problem doesn't exist, nor that there is a lack of evidence for it, by no means:

https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1196/annals.1385.025

http://jlcjnet.com/journals/jlcj/Vol_4_No_1_June_2016/5.pdf

https://www.tuj.ac.jp/icas/event/sex-crimes-and-criminal-justice-in-japan/

BTW while i am on the topic i do think the news articles i shared before addressed the problem, how the legal system doesn't properly address the victims, but you ignored them for whatever reason, even when they document and denounce the same problem you want to ignore it because they are not statistics, however here's a convenient news article from the Japantimes, it has census data on reported and unreported rape, is from 2017, it mentions the very recent update to the Japanse sex crime law which also happened just last year, which alone is already an evidence of negligence on part of the sate, the article also has proper sources and links to them, and most importantly it shows how negligent, inefficient, unwilling and just unsatisfactory the system is in regards to the victims:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2017/09/27/issues/surviving-sexual-assault-japan-victimized/

However, in regards to the last part, i can already see you disregarding most of it, because the second part is not about census data, and mostly about cases studies, because for your entitled self that is not a documentation of a problem, nor is sufficient evidence, so it must not exist and be just a small anoyance right? it is the fault of the victims that they are letting the rape go unreported right? they don't have to deal with anything with just taking legal action, so if they don't do it, it has to be entirely their fault right?. Well no, that's what i have been trying to tell you.

Hold up here, I called him a coward, but i never dismissed his position, I aknowledge he was harrased, but not taking action after being harrased is the reason i called him a coward, I went to look into the matter a bit more and it seems he never even named the producer until AFTER he got an apology letter, and HE STILL DIDNT PRESS CHARGES!

Oh man, there are various things wrong with you, among them you ability to research, his name came around way before the letter of apology (a letter that came on this year 2018), but he has been denouncing him name and all since last year 2017 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/terry-crews-details-alleged-sexual-assault-by-wmes-adam-venit-1058506 and the crime itself happened on 2016, so it took Crews a year to take legal action.

He did press charges but the law didn't took his case because too much time had passed: https://globalnews.ca/news/4070149/terry-crews-sexual-assault-case-rejected/ which is bullshit and is something that mostly applies the world over, i say mostly because some places don't have a statue of limitations on rape, but that's not the norm, and Crews was not in one of those places, but it is typical of you to ignore this and blame Crews instead, so not only did he press, not only did he reveal the name of his assaulter, he was in a place that didn't cover his needs as a victim, and you keep once again slandering his name, now imagine if he was a woman, the things you would creatively say to put the blame on them.

In your head it seems like rape is like a mugging, and thus victims should react the same way, after a couple of minutes to hours when the guy has left with your phone wallet and gun used to rob you, anyone should go and report the crime, otherwise it is entirely their fault for not making the report, because they are the same thing so victims should react the same way, ignoring the difficulties of doing so on the part of the victims which is why you say things like:

The victims are not responsible for the rape, they are responsible however for letting the creep roam free and commit more, the fact that the sensei never reported the rapist to the police, allowed him to roam free and rape another girl, how the hell do you even defend this?

Now on to the rest:

Im not responding, because i havent unblocked Kronix, you had all this time to either quote or screenshot him to show me up on how mature and insightful his comments were, but you dont seem to want to do that for some reason. You seem to be conflating this to something else.

What a minor and petite reason, even without Kronix i already gave you plenty of documentation showing you how society keeps victimizing rape victims, but fine, have it your way, Here's his quote:

@Yautja I think he is trolling, there is no way he thinks that way. Can you imagine real rape victims?

"Yes I let him rape me and allowed him cuz he threaten me" I dont think he serious

Kronix thinks as anyone descent would do, that naczyls is trolling, because it is obviously not the fault of the victims that their rapist is getting away with his rape, however you are on the same boat with naczyls, and the men on those incels boards that Yautja described, you think that unreported rape is all the victims faults, because rape is such an easy thing, simple logic must cover it, but it doesn't.

Are you actually reading these or just googling whatever comes up first?

Do you know what a longitudinal study is? those are, they are studies that collect data over long periods of time, but that doesn't means that their findings are out dated.

But on the googling part, yeah, i am actually picking the first results on google scholar, and they work, you think i have a database on the theme or something? this is not hidden data, is kind of close to common knowledge, those are studies on the level of water makes things wet, and if they are being made is because bigots and people like you refuse to recognize that there's a problem, so they have to do the research on something that's is self evident, that being the existence of several factors that keep victimizing rape victims after their rape both from society and the state.

2.- The girls not going to authorities does allow the rapist to roam free

And they don't go because society as the papers and articles i linked show, don't facilitate that process, and neither does the law, but go on, keep saying this, ignore it all, also is not just women, it took Crews a year to take action, but of course in your mind he is a coward. BTW after all of this the agency Crews works with can still sue him while he can no longer do anything to that:

https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/1021217717745954816

But of course he has nothing to lose right?

3.- This isnt something that normally happens in real life, the stats prove its not a normal occurrance, and there are no stats that show that law enforcement is complicit in demonizing victims on the regular. http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

Those are stats on reported rape crimes, not on unreported rape crimes, second is not like the US has better laws that Japan, third they don't show how the law nor society addressed or deals with rape victims, fourth they don't show nor report the POV of the victims, and finally they don't let us know why rape goes unreported because it doesn't even cover the theme, is completely and absolutely irrelevant data, what is even worse it makes it look like rape is similar to any other kind of crime ignoring the effects and circumstance of the victims, because it doesn't makes any distinction about it, that data shows rape and cannabis use as the same thing, just some crimes more, it doesn't even works for documentation on cannabis use, it ignores why people even use cannabis, or even in what parts is legal, or if it was recreational use or medical, really now, you don't know how statistics work, census data is extremely limited.

4.- You are trying to demonize me via bad faith arguments, if that isnt the definition of Toxic and Malicious I dont know what is, take a long look in a mirror and see what you become, when you are going to bat for dude that constantly advocates for rape and sex with children as a norm, and dismiss it cause "LOL HES JUST TROLLIN"

I am not the one making (mostly bad) excuses to keep ignoring a problem that affects women and men around the world, you are the one that keeps insisting on saying that everything is fine with the world and that unreported rape is all on the victims shoulders. A part of me wants to believe that you are trolling, but you seem to genuinely believe this, which as i said before is worrisome, even more now if you keep insisting despite it all, we are on what? our 3rd day? and you are still victim blaming, both real and fictional people, although i agree this manga is trash for lots and lots of reasons, but on this particular topic, it is trash because it maintain the view of a rapist that thinks he is getting free with his shit because victims are incompetent, and on top of that crazy which just makes this manga more trash.

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
on the crews thing I retract every statement I made, I was wrong.

On the rest of this argument, ill ask you 1 fucking question.
If the women dont go to the police after being raped, what should they do?

Also I see you never address anything that Kronix said, you keep ignoring it.

 

[Doomroar]

@boag well if anything at least we made that progress.

If the women dont go to the police after being raped, what should they do?

They don't exist in every country, but they should go to agencies and foundations that help rape victims, while they can't really modify the law into a process that is more fair and satisfactory, they can help them giving them legal advice, psychological, social and moral support to at least deal with the repercussions of living as a rape survivor, they can help with matters beyond what family or friends can do, specially because those very family and friends may be family and friends of their rapist and thus make things harder for them by just choosing to not believe in them. Of course the ideal would be to eventually report the rape, but as you know it is not that easy a thing, so those fundations exist to facilitate the process even if a little.

For Japan which is the case we are discussing i easily found this one: https://warriorsjapan.webs.com/ which for some reason is in english, and for the US there is https://www.rainn.org/

Also I see you never address anything that Kronix said, you keep ignoring it.

I still think that Kronix is not important, even if we see how this discussion has advanced, but i did address it, here is an screen shot:

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
So i finally get you to admit that "DOING NOTHING" is retarded, which is my whole issue with the manga, and what naczyls CLEARLY meant, before you took him to task on a perceived attack.

I did address it

No you didnt, I told you exactly what hes been advocating for with his trolling, and you keep harping him as some mature person.
but you know what, i dont even care about it anymore, as long as you apologize to Naczyls.

 

[Yautja]

@Doomroar
You should know as well as I do that this fucking loser isn't worth your, or anyone's time. It took me 3 comments to figure out he's 10 times the douche he claims Kronix to be. He's a self righteous pseudo intellect who claims to be looking for a "decent conversation" but instantly begins cursing you out and calling names once you call him on his obvious bullshit fallacies or hypocrisy. He's a sad hypocritical little bully who likes to paint himself as a fair minded, conversationalist. Who advocates harassment and spamming of people his disagrees with, I might add. If anyone should be banned on this site, it's him.

He's clearly uneducated on the topic he's speaking about and making baseless claims on. The reason rape reports are so low in Japan is due to how rape victims and their accusers are treated. Asian cultures have this pathetic and disgusting stigma towards being a victim, especially of rape, and view it as a "dishonor". It's the 1st world country version of a Sharia run state. Sexual assault is ridiculously common and ridiculously under-reported in places like Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if the rape stats are 10x what they're reported to be. Not to mention this fucking genius assumes that
A) The police could or would do anything in places like Japan
B) That the general society cares
Anyone who actually lives in Japan or knows anything at all could tell you how misguided those assumptions are. Expecting that kind of thing in Japan is almost as ridiculous as expecting Trump to admit to past lies. This guy also maintains that "the legal system poorly affects the lives of rape victims" would be an untrue statement if there were less rapes. It's ironic because he is yet again being a hypocrite, claiming you're straw-manning when it's exactly what he's doing.

Not to mention he's maintaining the position that the original idiot I replied to was a troll trying to make a serious statement veiled behind satire. Wonder why that guy never replied or said he was joking. This fucking moron actually thinks that disgusting little toad deserves an apology. Not to mention he thinks that disgusting statement that toad made is correct. If Kronix is a conscious troll, boag is an unconscious troll who doesn't even realize how ridiculous he's being, how uneducated he is, and how much of a hypocrite he's being.

Do what I do. Ignore him. At least Kronix is funny and actually will have a "decent conversation" when he's not trolling.

 

[Doomroar]

@boag unfortunately institutions to help rape victims are not well known, in part because society doesn't promotes them nor supports them, and impart becuase attitudes like yours don't realize their importance, ever wonder why the slogan on the rainn page is "we believe you" because dismissing the words of rape victims is that common a thing, institutions to support rape victims are mostly self founded and as thus they are not that big, and a lot of countries don't even have them, and those who do may not even have them for all their cities, so with that in mind it is also, and of course still, unfair to blame rape victims if they don't know about their existence, anyway you insist on blaming victims after all this, you are a horrible person, we are on our 4th day or the like, and you learned nothing, even more you are acting all self righteous for no reason only to feed your disgusting ego, while ignoring everything i have shown you.

And i wont apologize to Naczyls, i will never do that, since you both support rape ideology, and you are not making all of this as trolls, but for real, matter of fact i ought to denounce both of you.

@Yautja i know now man, i already told him all that, i gave him links to studies of all kind, statistics from longitudinal, samples, comparative, and even censuses on un-reported rape and on how the law poorly responds to reported rape, i gave him case studies, and news articles on the topic showing all of what you mention, there's no lack of evidence that both the law and society keep victimizing rape victims after their rape, i even brought a famous, current and relevant case as an example just to add to how it is not a Japanese-centric phenomenon but something that occurs the world over, and nothing, on his mind he thinks that rape is like getting your cellphone mugged by some random person on your way back from work, he completely ignores the circumstances of the victims and insist on putting the blame on them, he is completely ignorant on how his way of thinking is part of the very problem that is being discussed.

I will follow your advice and ignore him, i really did all i could, there's nothing more to say that i haven't told him, beyond this i will just be repeating myself to a wall.

 

[boag]

@Doomroar
So you got no arguments so you fall back on personal attacks, great i can now dismiss you as an asshat, go fuck yourself.
And please keep prasing the pro child rape douche, fuckface.

 

[ngkn92]

"Why are you not angry?"
The line we all are asking from the start.

 

[Eighty-six]

Yea, seems like an excuse to justify his fucked up mentality. Do us all a favor and drive through that railing, and take that crazy bitch with you.

@naczyls
Yea, get angry at the person raping you. Fantastic fucking idea. Not like that idea wasn't explored x amount of chapters ago only for this prick to threaten to kill the girl. And he didn't even have to rape that chick for her to piss herself and get scared into silence. I normally don't have to argue on this side of the aisle, but to say such ridiculously stupid shit as:

as if it were that simple is just ridiculous. Take a look at that sentence, a real good look. If you really, truly believe that these people got raped because they allowed it, go join those two lunatics in that car.

What a bizarre contortion of everything you responded to.

1. "Getting angry" doesn't mean "confront him recklessly", it means "getting angry". As in, having a emotional response of anger at what he did to them. The "issue" isn't that they're not lining up to be hurt by someone that can easily kill them, but that despite what happened to them, they seemingly can't straightforwardly be mad. Not that I think this is an actual narrative issue as much as it is a demonstration of their personality shortcomings, a reflection of their society, and/or evidence of an internal obstacle to be overcome.

2. At no point is it said that they deserved to be raped. The issue at hand was about them not reporting the rape, so it can't be about whether they deserved to be raped (of course they didn't deserve to be raped). At any rate, the end result of a rape victim not reporting a rape is that a rapist roams free and can rape their victim again, as well as potentially other people. This is incontrovertible, and it is a reality that's agnostic to how difficult it may be for rape victims to collect themselves, collect the evidence, and report their rapist.

It is in fact a heavy ask for rape victims, but it doesn't make this any less the case. It must be profoundly demeaning for a rape victim to have their own body be part of the crime scene, but it doesn't invalidate the aforementioned realities. It is not their fault that they were raped, but it's impossible to ignore the roles only they can possess in even having a chance to bring a rapist to justice (and take them out of society).

On the other hand, those who attempt to cover for their inaction without emboldening them to effectively and properly take action against the ones who've wronged them only end up undermining them while bolstering (or building) the same rape culture that they rail against. Bluntly speaking, such "advocates" only help themselves.

Again, the manga has not touched this issue, not even once, it hasn't even come close to doing it, and it probably wont do it because the mangaka seems to think that it is the women's fault, but it is not, as we have seen with Terry it is difficult to do it even when it is the right choice, i know that she is making social commentary with this, but it is some shitty as fuck trash social commentary, and is proof that rape culture and machismo are in huge part keep alive by women themselves, like the author of this manga.

The mangaka clearly doesn't think that it's the victim's fault for being raped. The teacher started this story by imparting a deleterious lesson (closely related to that perception) onto one of her students that even you have been able to see has born disastrous fruit (I sincerely do like your analysis of this in the thread for the previous chapter, so it's baffling that you never recognized that here).

As a matter of fact, you're dead-on that the manga demonstrates that "rape culture" and "machismo" (really, I'd generalize this as "many of the issues that plague women in society") are in some way kept alive by women because that's the precise point that the mangaka is making in the narrative.