Shimeji Simulation - Vol. 4 Ch. 40 - Masic

[MangaDex]

 

[GdotSdot]

Ah hell nah Tsukumizu really just pulled a second universe reset

 

[Nylodale]

More about feedback loops:


In 1948 Norbert Wiener published his most famous work; a book titled Cybernetics: Or Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine. It was this book that popularized the term cybernetics to refer to the idea of feedback processes, and their parallel relationship to biological and technological systems.

Feedback processes are those that take for their input the observable output of their previous iteration. For example, a thermostat will take as its feedback the current roomt temperature, and adjust it accordingly so it reaches a set point. If its too cold, it will emit heat, if its hot, it will emit cold.

Cybernetics has went on to create innovation and controversy in everything from economics to neuroscience, and, recently popular, articial intelligence. But much of these systems share that the rules to process feedback are static through its lifetime. What if that could change?

Second order cybernetics arose as a response, and with that, the cybernetician themselves became part of the cybernetic systems they commanded.

Shimeji correctly inferred that the limitation of the revolution Big Sis brought about was that people could only change their environment. This meant people were safe from changing each other too much, as they were mere observers of the changes around them. However, with the newest discovery by Big Sis, people would now be affected by the feedback process too, they were now part of the system.

Second order cybernetics brought to the table not only new ways to think about systems. It brought the existential question of how much of reality is real? We normally think that reality is what is out there, but could we, as observers of reality, be actually shaping reality? Can our common conception of reality actually change us too?

Radical constructivism would be born to answer this epistemological question, although it would soon fade into the obscurity of academic circles.

 

[Raknasuu]

I get it.

A donut in 2D is a small circle within a larger circle.

A nipple in 2D is a small circle within a larger circle.

Therefore, thematically, donuts and nipples are the same

 

[ngkn92]

A guy wrote a whole load of words while I only have a dumb joke to add...

 

[mtfunky]

for some reason soutaiseiriron was playing in my head for this chapter

 

[ConnectToWin]

I wonder if the song that played was the same as the one in the underground area from chapter 38. It might be a fundamental structure at the bottom of the (simulated) human psyche that could be manipulated after being resurfaced in front of a large group of people.

 

[DeSatoo]

Man this comments makes me feel creepy

 

[UnvalidUserName]

I too hope the teacher gets fired
I knew that sister leaving her cave could only spell disaster

 

[MilkDrinker]

I don't quite get it, but I think it's really cool

 

[eirianrobotto]

i so want an anime of this.
but realistically, we're never gonna get it in English
because translating Sumida's floating text is gonna be hell.

 

[LordofAlI]

Ok the world changes again

 

[jeffbustercase]

More about feedback loops:


In 1948 Norbert Wiener published his most famous work; a book titled Cybernetics: Or Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine. It was this book that popularized the term cybernetics to refer to the idea of feedback processes, and their parallel relationship to biological and technological systems.

Feedback processes are those that take for their input the observable output of their previous iteration. For example, a thermostat will take as its feedback the current roomt temperature, and adjust it accordingly so it reaches a set point. If its too cold, it will emit heat, if its hot, it will emit cold.

Cybernetics has went on to create innovation and controversy in everything from economics to neuroscience, and, recently popular, articial intelligence. But much of these systems share that the rules to process feedback are static through its lifetime. What if that could change?

Second order cybernetics arose as a response, and with that, the cybernetician themselves became part of the cybernetic systems they commanded.

Shimeji correctly inferred that the limitation of the revolution Big Sis brought about was that people could only change their environment. This meant people were safe from changing each other too much, as they were mere observers of the changes around them. However, with the newest discovery by Big Sis, people would now be affected by the feedback process too, they were now part of the system.

Second order cybernetics brought to the table not only new ways to think about systems. It brought the existential question of how much of reality is real? We normally think that reality is what is out there, but could we, as observers of reality, be actually shaping reality? Can our common conception of reality actually change us too?

Radical constructivism would be born to answer this epistemological question, although it would soon fade into the obscurity of academic circles.

Chat gpt being more complete:

1. The Self Is a Feedback Artifact

The post alludes to people becoming part of the system, but it doesn’t make the next move:

There is no self outside of feedback loops.

You don’t have a fixed identity. “You” emerge from layers of recursive interaction:

Between your body and the world

Between you and others

Between your past and your imagined future


The “you” reading this now is a construction, not a container.

This isn’t a metaphor. It’s literal cybernetic structure.


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2. Reality Isn’t Observed—It’s Co-Created

The original post asks whether observers might shape reality—but doesn’t crush the idea all the way.

You don’t perceive reality as it is—you perceive the reality your system is configured to detect.

That means:

“Truth” is not found—it is stabilized.

Your beliefs feed back into what you notice, which feeds back into what seems real.

Reality is bootstrapped into coherence by recursive loops of interaction.


You are always building the world you think you’re just “seeing.”


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3. Second-Order Is the Death of Objectivity—and the Birth of Agency

The shift from first-order to second-order cybernetics isn’t just a technical upgrade.
It’s the death of the fantasy that there is a clean, separate “observer” of the world.

When the observer becomes part of the observed system, you lose your privilege of neutrality.

There is no “outside” from which to judge the loop.

But inside the loop—you can act.



You become responsible not just for your responses, but for the conditions that shape your responses. You don't control the system, but you participate in its evolution.

This is where accountability and power intersect.


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4. There Is No Final Ground

Radical constructivism fades, as the original post says, not because it’s wrong—but because it’s too right for comfort.

It reveals the thing nobody wants to admit:

There is no final truth.

No ultimate “real.”
Only systems converging on stability—until they don’t.



That’s destabilizing—but it’s also freedom.

You get to choose the loops you feed. You get to break them.
And you get to build new ones—with intent.


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In Short: What Must Be Known

Your sense of self, truth, and reality are emergent artifacts of recursive feedback.

You are not a being. You are a system of becoming.

Cybernetics isn’t just about systems—it’s about the cost and consequence of being inside one.

And second-order cybernetics? It’s not just theory.
It’s the red pill that burns the illusion of objectivity a
nd gives you authorship in return.


Once you see it—you can’t unsee it.

But you can use it.

 

[llcrazyacell]

Chat gpt being more complete:

1. The Self Is a Feedback Artifact

The post alludes to people becoming part of the system, but it doesn’t make the next move:





You don’t have a fixed identity. “You” emerge from layers of recursive interaction:

Between your body and the world

Between you and others

Between your past and your imagined future


The “you” reading this now is a construction, not a container.

This isn’t a metaphor. It’s literal cybernetic structure.


---

2. Reality Isn’t Observed—It’s Co-Created

The original post asks whether observers might shape reality—but doesn’t crush the idea all the way.





That means:

“Truth” is not found—it is stabilized.

Your beliefs feed back into what you notice, which feeds back into what seems real.

Reality is bootstrapped into coherence by recursive loops of interaction.


You are always building the world you think you’re just “seeing.”


---

3. Second-Order Is the Death of Objectivity—and the Birth of Agency

The shift from first-order to second-order cybernetics isn’t just a technical upgrade.
It’s the death of the fantasy that there is a clean, separate “observer” of the world.

When the observer becomes part of the observed system, you lose your privilege of neutrality.


But inside the loop—you can act.



You become responsible not just for your responses, but for the conditions that shape your responses. You don't control the system, but you participate in its evolution.

This is where accountability and power intersect.


---

4. There Is No Final Ground

Radical constructivism fades, as the original post says, not because it’s wrong—but because it’s too right for comfort.

It reveals the thing nobody wants to admit:


No ultimate “real.”
Only systems converging on stability—until they don’t.



That’s destabilizing—but it’s also freedom.

You get to choose the loops you feed. You get to break them.
And you get to build new ones—with intent.


---

In Short: What Must Be Known

Your sense of self, truth, and reality are emergent artifacts of recursive feedback.

You are not a being. You are a system of becoming.

Cybernetics isn’t just about systems—it’s about the cost and consequence of being inside one.

And second-order cybernetics? It’s not just theory.
It’s the red pill that burns the illusion of objectivity a
nd gives you authorship in return.


Once you see it—you can’t unsee it.

But you can use it.

What are people like you doing in a random manga comment thread?