Shinmai Renkinjutsushi no Tenpo Keiei - Vol. 2 Ch. 9

[KitRagnell]

Binged through what's out. Getting big Atelier vibes which I love

 

[Batzi]

The problem of economic calculation bears as much on medical services as does any other issue of resource allocation. In a system of socialized medical services, the health of participants depends on the judgment of bureaucrats, guessing in the economic dark how to allocate resources. Proponents of technocracy just tell themselves that the death and suffering under those systems is “just how it is”.

Yeah no, Bullshit. Europe has some of the most advanced medical services and highest life expectations in the world. Remind me where we're the institutions that developed the first effective corona shots? Ah Germany and Britain.

No bureaucrat is deciding your fate, but medical professionals. It's also not an "Economic dark" it's a very simple function of past data + projections based on current data.

Medical tourism develops as an means of escape from the bureaucracy, but of course hasn't been available to people in the most socialized systems, and vanishes as an option as technocracy seizes medical care in other nations.

Lol what? You realize the EU is a free market, lots of people from France and Germany travel to Czech to get eye surgery cheaper.



Talking eloquently and pseudo intellectually doesn't change reality. Anyway, this is not the place for such a discussion, but you're full of crap man 😂

 

[Oeconomist]

Yeah no, Bullshit. Europe has some of the most advanced medical services and highest life expectations in the world.

That's not a refutation. People die in your systems. Who dies is still different, but people still die. And we're not simply talking about death here, but about other sufferring.

Worse, your life-expectancy statistics are distorted by discounting infant mortality. Only one nation in the world begins counting from birth. Every European nation starts later, one not counting any deaths in the first year.

Remind me where we're the institutions that developed the first effective corona shots? Ah Germany and Britain.

Indeed, and the Soviet Union got the first satellite into orbit and the first man into space; but it was none-the-less a technologically backward place. As the French economist Bastiat would remind you, costs are unseen because they are unrealized opportunities; counting only the visible is economically benighted.

No bureaucrat is deciding your fate, but medical professionals.

Medically trained bureaucrats are still bureaucrats; and real doctors whose practices are governed by rules established by bureaucrats have their decisions steered by bureaucrats.

You realize the EU is a free market

No, it's a regulated economic system.

lots of people from France and Germany travel to Czech to get eye surgery cheaper.

Yes, which is to say that the EU is not one of

the most socialized systems

which was what my statement was about. The ordinary subject of any of the most socialized systems cannot engage in medical tourism.

And, to return to the prior point, medical tourism exists as a way of escaping socialistic delivery of medical services, to purchase them in a market. Everyone who buys medical care internationally exhibits a failure of the system prevailing in his or her own nation.

Talking eloquently and pseudo intellectually doesn't change reality.

What doesn't change anything are your LOLs.

you're full of crap man 😂

I'm an actual economist who has studied the economics of medical care. You're a person whose thought process is thoughtlessly conservative — in the original sense of “conservative”.

 

[kavinh]

Laughs in European socialized health care. Seriously fucked up world view to have your health be dependent on your income. Good thing you don't have to give up your life savings when everyone in the country pitches in.

Not sure where the unauthorized operation is coming in, that's pretty off topic to what's happening. Seems she was following SoP for their world.

Also we do have doctor's basically going into war zones working for free/on donations. Doctor's without borders, red cross, red crescent moon?

kinda missing the point given it's a medieval setting.
It's her life savings that she's worked towards most people, some people its savings from operations of a store others is their career licensing same deal. Losing her savings is the same as someone losing their certification in the modern day.
no shit she's following SoP i was talking about the author writing instead of having some bullshit oh life is too important so idc about my savings for some stranger.
oh wow I live in 21th century we have charities bit off topic and missing the point.

 

[kavinh]

Why the randos getting mad at free health care when she isn't even working for the government to offer that in the first place, please stop projecting your personal bias on the manga lol

Also you cannot leave a victim un-attended like ever, i'm pretty sure that's a law in every single country, the diff here is what she did was use potions equivalent to high risk surgery and other machinery which isn't something you do out of nowhere
But she wouldn't say "nah leave my shop and go die outside" she would def treated her enough to at least die in peace (and i don't need to state the obvious that dying in peace wouldn't make anyone raise an eye on you for ruining the economy lmao)

get out of your basement good sanitarian law doesn't exist in every country let alone enforced and in several countries there is a precedence against it. Look up what happened to Wang Lan a lady who helped an elderly lady who got injured then got sued by her, and the court ruled if she wasn't partly or entirely responsible for the injury she wouldn't of helped. That ruling ruined any resemblence of being samaritan forever in China and I doubt its the only country.