Shippaisaku no Tsukaima to Majutsushi - Ch. 6

[anonymousan]

And that's exactly what I intended to point out. As long as they're not seen as equal part of society, while they won't be slaves, no-one will care about them. Make slavery seem as bad as it actually is, and people will willingly fight against it with actually saving the slaves in mind.

 

[caiban123bo]

People imagine how they should solvethe whole slavery thing in a fantasy world meanwhile in the real world where Netease and China's cheap labor still exist.

Ok hypothetically, you kill the slave owner, now what ? Who gonna feed and take care all of these ex-slave ? More hypothetically, you kill all the slave owner, does the demand for slave go down ? Good luck trying to educate a whole nation that "slavery are bad, pay them like a human being" in idk your entire life ?. Supply go down while demand still the same only make the problem worse

 

[black1210]

Just releasing the slaves into the wild doesn't do anything. They will likely be captured again or starve to death.

 

[black1210]

Literally arguing that slavery is good for the slaves
https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/slavery/ethics/justifications.shtml

Stop being disingenuous, they never said that.

 

[RaelHughMein]

It's simple, slavery is bad. Releasing slaves (children on top of that) in a world where slaves are commonly mistreated with no help nor supervision is also bad. Good intentions, still bad.

It's like releasing illegally domesticated animals in the wild, they'll get killed within 24h if you don't make the effort to rehabilitate them.

Or they'll take as an invasive species and kill everything

 

[stavekoff]

kill all slavers tbh

 

[anonymousan]

kill all slavers tbh

 

[Elaborate]

You have to consider where slaves come from in the first place.

Most of the time in these settings, if you buy all the slaves, you've just funded the slaver's next expedition to attack an innocent farming village somewhere, killing half the villagers and selling the rest into slavery.
(Which is heinous by itself, but it is also a net loss to the economy of the country and it will drive up market prices.)
In such a case, the correct choice IMO is to kill the slaver and free the slaves, because it decreases the average profitability of slaving and increases the average profitability of being a farmer.

(Whether or not the freed slaves die afterwards is a separate issue; the important part is killing the slaver, so that fewer people become slaves in the future.)

Now, if you have some sort of debt slavery or criminal slavery system, the morality is more on the neutral side - slavery is usually preferable to imprisonment in these settings - but realistically there will always be people who abuse such systems, and in most settings it would be preferable if the option 'drive someone into debt to make them a slave' simply didn't exist.

A parting thought: a fantasy setting, there might be a provable afterlife system in place, and so death might in fact be better than either slavery or imprisonment...

 

[WoodyCyber]

I didn't have "a serious discussion about slavery on a manga comment section" on my 2024 bingo card, but here we are. It was a welcome surprise though

 

[anonymousan]

You have to consider where slaves come from in the first place.

Most of the time in these settings, if you buy all the slaves, you've just funded the slaver's next expedition to attack an innocent farming village somewhere, killing half the villagers and selling the rest into slavery.
(Which is heinous by itself, but it is also a net loss to the economy of the country and it will drive up market prices.)
In such a case, the correct choice IMO is to kill the slaver and free the slaves, because it decreases the average profitability of slaving and increases the average profitability of being a farmer.

(Whether or not the freed slaves die afterwards is a separate issue; the important part is killing the slaver, so that fewer people become slaves in the future.)

Now, if you have some sort of debt slavery or criminal slavery system, the morality is more on the neutral side - slavery is usually preferable to imprisonment in these settings - but realistically there will always be people who abuse such systems, and in most settings it would be preferable if the option 'drive someone into debt to make them a slave' simply didn't exist.

A parting thought: a fantasy setting, there might be a provable afterlife system in place, and so death might in fact be better than either slavery or imprisonment...

While these points make sense, and in those settings they might work, especially since the slaves are actually seen as parts of society... you've completely ignored the setting at hand.

Here there's no enslaving expedition or slavery as form of payment of debt. Here we have enslaving the outcasts who are basically thrown out as unwanted pets and no-one sees them as equal humans.

 

[JamesBunny]

While these points make sense, and in those settings they might work, especially since the slaves are actually seen as parts of society... you've completely ignored the setting at hand.

Here there's no enslaving expedition or slavery as form of payment of debt. Here we have enslaving the outcasts who are basically thrown out as unwanted pets and no-one sees them as equal humans.

So slavery is better then no slavery because they are animals and not people got it. (At least from the people in universe pov)

 

[anonymousan]

So slavery is better then no slavery because they are animals and not people got it. (At least from the people in universe pov)

When did I say that? I'm having a hard time understanding how am I saying slavery is good/better.

Elaborate gave solutions to situations not existing here, I simply pointed that out.

They are outcasts, pets thrown away, then used and exploited by people to make money by selling them as slaves. Noone really cares what happens to them, they're seen as stray animals.

 

[Trostishere]

Finally a death

 

[ElZavier]

Dang, that's cold