Shounin Yuusha wa Isekai wo Gyuujiru! - Vol. 1 Ch. 5
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@Snarky Because even actively trying to not break the swords won't stop her from breaking them. She's already limiting her strength so its not like using 2 at once would help. Rather she shouldn't be using a sword in the first place. It doesn't normally matter since humans are weak but a sword is massively less durable than multiple other weapons. A pole would be a far better choice. Just give her a quarter staff or something. Hell a beating stick the size of a sword would work too.
Since she isn't immediately breaking these weapons they should switch to the strongest form mithril can take. Namely weapons designed for bashing. Hell a block of mithril with grips on each side would work better than a sword.
Since she isn't immediately breaking these weapons they should switch to the strongest form mithril can take. Namely weapons designed for bashing. Hell a block of mithril with grips on each side would work better than a sword.
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So mithril swords are now used as ammo. They are disposible. Wow.
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"To be fighting without caring about the weapon breaking, I feel like it was a dream!"
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@WillLi
-It is exaggerated to break it all at once, she could not even do a mission without leaving with at least 25 weapons
We must take into account that it is drawings and that it does not show the reality of what happens in this story
She has the strength and speed necessary to kill a bear, but in the drawings she hits the weapons of the opponents and trains with real swords, while wooden stick would have allowed her to train at a lower cost, even in real fight she could kill with that
"She also would cost way more than an army in terms of equipment"
You should never take the expenses separately, it's always globally that you have to look at otherwise it does not mean anything, it's notoriously like that people are being fooled by politicians
-There are things that even an army can not do and she has the strength to do it alone
-other things to take into account, at the time 2/3 of the population was peasant and even if the biggest harvest was in summer there were all the years things to do
Obviously an biger army eats and especially is not working to produce this food
the material of these swords can be considered the same, because even broken very little material is lost
the repair made on the weapons and armor of an army after each battle is far more important than you think
the armor rivets broke after a few strokes, that's why the armors nowadays are welded
the swords were so crooked that they had to be worked hot
and this material should be maintained permanently because it rust
even the little leather stap had to be maintained so that it does not go to pieces, knowing that this is what holds an armor is rather important
-"And if you really want to be 'wise' he should've taught her how to fight without breaking her weapons in the first place."
It obvious that they knew her strength and speed, yet they did not do anything to train her properly
no one in the Middle Ages was trying to hit the weapon of the opponent or his armor, the goal was to hurt badly or kill, so you have to target the places without armor and if you have to defend yourself, it is enough to block, no need to hit the opponent's weapon with your strength
I would like to know what her instructors have taught her?
-yes the mithril is rare, but a bandit had one sword and in the fight against the bears she broke her first on the claws and after having cut 4 bears
that plus the preceding fight makes think that a part of the problem is how is to use that force.
It may be likely that the claws of the bears can be used as weapons, so that the more the monsters are strong the more she can have solid weapons
-the proof that I am right about the repair is the price of a mithril sword in the first chapter 200 gold and the price of the repair of a sword + the creation of many other weapons for 20 gold
it shows us that what is expensive is the material and not the hands of works and that for 10 days of work (moreover it makes them more solid)
-It is exaggerated to break it all at once, she could not even do a mission without leaving with at least 25 weapons
We must take into account that it is drawings and that it does not show the reality of what happens in this story
She has the strength and speed necessary to kill a bear, but in the drawings she hits the weapons of the opponents and trains with real swords, while wooden stick would have allowed her to train at a lower cost, even in real fight she could kill with that
"She also would cost way more than an army in terms of equipment"
You should never take the expenses separately, it's always globally that you have to look at otherwise it does not mean anything, it's notoriously like that people are being fooled by politicians
-There are things that even an army can not do and she has the strength to do it alone
-other things to take into account, at the time 2/3 of the population was peasant and even if the biggest harvest was in summer there were all the years things to do
Obviously an biger army eats and especially is not working to produce this food
the material of these swords can be considered the same, because even broken very little material is lost
the repair made on the weapons and armor of an army after each battle is far more important than you think
the armor rivets broke after a few strokes, that's why the armors nowadays are welded
the swords were so crooked that they had to be worked hot
and this material should be maintained permanently because it rust
even the little leather stap had to be maintained so that it does not go to pieces, knowing that this is what holds an armor is rather important
-"And if you really want to be 'wise' he should've taught her how to fight without breaking her weapons in the first place."
It obvious that they knew her strength and speed, yet they did not do anything to train her properly
no one in the Middle Ages was trying to hit the weapon of the opponent or his armor, the goal was to hurt badly or kill, so you have to target the places without armor and if you have to defend yourself, it is enough to block, no need to hit the opponent's weapon with your strength
I would like to know what her instructors have taught her?
-yes the mithril is rare, but a bandit had one sword and in the fight against the bears she broke her first on the claws and after having cut 4 bears
that plus the preceding fight makes think that a part of the problem is how is to use that force.
It may be likely that the claws of the bears can be used as weapons, so that the more the monsters are strong the more she can have solid weapons
-the proof that I am right about the repair is the price of a mithril sword in the first chapter 200 gold and the price of the repair of a sword + the creation of many other weapons for 20 gold
it shows us that what is expensive is the material and not the hands of works and that for 10 days of work (moreover it makes them more solid)
@Gauvain most of what you said doesn't really apply or is just wrong.
First, her weapons do break in one hit, unless they're mithral or she's holding back massively. If she's holding back she's not worth more than a soldier so we account for things as if they break in one hit unless mithrial. Also her weapons aren't going to be simple repair jobs do to the nature of the damage they're taking. They're not snapping in half, they're splintering that's not as easy to repair, in fact you'd probably have to straight up entirely reforge the weapon. So it's the same cost as forging a new weapon minus whatever material was salvageable.
Now as for the wisdom stuff, yes they didn't train her, but neither did the MC. Hence he isn't 'wise' he just bankrolled something that logistically is impossible for a nation to do. Because even with as powerful as she is, she is only one person and can only attack one thing at a time, you can't replace an army with her, you can hardly replace a squad with her. She cost way more than she's worth to a kingdom. Her only worth is as something like an adventurer. Because you can't give her just 25 swords and let her go, because repairs take huge amounts of time so you need a new set of swords for each day of battle at least.
And jsut because the -bandit- had mithral doesn't mean anything, he probably stole it from an adventurer. And She did not actually cut 4 bears, because not every bear is dying in one hit. She's killing them fast, but not one shotting every single one. It's also worth noting that she changes her sword more than just when she connects with the claws, and even previously she broke her sword before the bears. So it's not just the claws.
And yes, it's likely the problem is how she's applying the force, which is exactly why the MC isn't Wise, because he hasn't fixed that problem, he's just bankrolling her. If it's fixed it's because of her own work not the MC's. And the only reason it ended up fixed is because the MC did what was literally impossible for teh government to do and give her enough swords that she's confident that it wont matter if she breaks them.
First, her weapons do break in one hit, unless they're mithral or she's holding back massively. If she's holding back she's not worth more than a soldier so we account for things as if they break in one hit unless mithrial. Also her weapons aren't going to be simple repair jobs do to the nature of the damage they're taking. They're not snapping in half, they're splintering that's not as easy to repair, in fact you'd probably have to straight up entirely reforge the weapon. So it's the same cost as forging a new weapon minus whatever material was salvageable.
Now as for the wisdom stuff, yes they didn't train her, but neither did the MC. Hence he isn't 'wise' he just bankrolled something that logistically is impossible for a nation to do. Because even with as powerful as she is, she is only one person and can only attack one thing at a time, you can't replace an army with her, you can hardly replace a squad with her. She cost way more than she's worth to a kingdom. Her only worth is as something like an adventurer. Because you can't give her just 25 swords and let her go, because repairs take huge amounts of time so you need a new set of swords for each day of battle at least.
And jsut because the -bandit- had mithral doesn't mean anything, he probably stole it from an adventurer. And She did not actually cut 4 bears, because not every bear is dying in one hit. She's killing them fast, but not one shotting every single one. It's also worth noting that she changes her sword more than just when she connects with the claws, and even previously she broke her sword before the bears. So it's not just the claws.
And yes, it's likely the problem is how she's applying the force, which is exactly why the MC isn't Wise, because he hasn't fixed that problem, he's just bankrolling her. If it's fixed it's because of her own work not the MC's. And the only reason it ended up fixed is because the MC did what was literally impossible for teh government to do and give her enough swords that she's confident that it wont matter if she breaks them.
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@WillLi
Again, a drawing is not the reality
A sword does not break in dozens of piece
whatever the strength of a weapon you forge it to be solid and no matter how you forge you will not make a sword that breaks in pieces
there are alloys that react in this way (and heat treatment), but never will a blacksmith use them to make a sword
do not believe the drawings, find out how it was done, because it was made to be usable in optimal conditions for the fighter
swords were often crooked/twisted during battles and hammer/ax handles was sometimes broken
and if the metal part broke it was not more than 2 pieces
the price of labor was almost nil at the time, the lord had blacksmiths and could requisition others present on his territory, it was close to slavery
the price of the labor was to feed him his family and the maintenance of his house, to say almost nothing
yes she alone is useless, but an army without her can never kill monsters too strong, so this army is expensive and useless ...
The kingdom needs someone very strong, she was already there, but the kingdom did not know how to use her
just teach her how to fight and it would have cost the equivalent of repair for 20 to 50 people per fight
While she has the strength to beat monsters unbeatable even by big number
and I do not even talk about people who will not die thanks to her
"It's also worth noting that she changes her sword more than just when she connects with the claws, and even previously she broke her sword before the bears. So it's not just the claws."
before for the mithril sword, it was after typing something very hard
and I already explained that it's not like that we use a sword
the claws of a very powerful bear as described are necessarily as hard as weapons, knowing that even his skin is almost impenetrable
so look for weak points and attack them not the claws.
"the MC isn't Wise, because he hasn't fixed that problem"
it is true that it lacks a technical and logical explanation, but it should have been learned easily if the kingdom had done is work of training
because she missed almost nothing, she had the speed, so the time to place the shots in the right place
but nobody explained to her how to use a weapon and what not to do with
"And the only reason it ended up fixed is because the MC did what was literally impossible for teh government to do and give her enough swords that she's confident that it wont matter if she breaks them." for all that I said previously I do not agree
I think the problem is the author, he does not know anything like most authors and made choices about the power he gave to the hero, so not necessarily logical/real choices
He could have made this story even more interesting and realistic if he was looking to fix the girl problem
maybe a power with more limit would have been more interesting too
can only multiply an object once and the new (harvested) can not be multiplied
this rule does not apply to plants because the planted product (seed or rotten fruit) is only a part of the harvested product and its "alive"
it will have forced him to find a viable solution for the girl and made the trade part more interesting
Again, a drawing is not the reality
A sword does not break in dozens of piece
whatever the strength of a weapon you forge it to be solid and no matter how you forge you will not make a sword that breaks in pieces
there are alloys that react in this way (and heat treatment), but never will a blacksmith use them to make a sword
do not believe the drawings, find out how it was done, because it was made to be usable in optimal conditions for the fighter
swords were often crooked/twisted during battles and hammer/ax handles was sometimes broken
and if the metal part broke it was not more than 2 pieces
the price of labor was almost nil at the time, the lord had blacksmiths and could requisition others present on his territory, it was close to slavery
the price of the labor was to feed him his family and the maintenance of his house, to say almost nothing
yes she alone is useless, but an army without her can never kill monsters too strong, so this army is expensive and useless ...
The kingdom needs someone very strong, she was already there, but the kingdom did not know how to use her
just teach her how to fight and it would have cost the equivalent of repair for 20 to 50 people per fight
While she has the strength to beat monsters unbeatable even by big number
and I do not even talk about people who will not die thanks to her
"It's also worth noting that she changes her sword more than just when she connects with the claws, and even previously she broke her sword before the bears. So it's not just the claws."
before for the mithril sword, it was after typing something very hard
and I already explained that it's not like that we use a sword
the claws of a very powerful bear as described are necessarily as hard as weapons, knowing that even his skin is almost impenetrable
so look for weak points and attack them not the claws.
"the MC isn't Wise, because he hasn't fixed that problem"
it is true that it lacks a technical and logical explanation, but it should have been learned easily if the kingdom had done is work of training
because she missed almost nothing, she had the speed, so the time to place the shots in the right place
but nobody explained to her how to use a weapon and what not to do with
"And the only reason it ended up fixed is because the MC did what was literally impossible for teh government to do and give her enough swords that she's confident that it wont matter if she breaks them." for all that I said previously I do not agree
I think the problem is the author, he does not know anything like most authors and made choices about the power he gave to the hero, so not necessarily logical/real choices
He could have made this story even more interesting and realistic if he was looking to fix the girl problem
maybe a power with more limit would have been more interesting too
can only multiply an object once and the new (harvested) can not be multiplied
this rule does not apply to plants because the planted product (seed or rotten fruit) is only a part of the harvested product and its "alive"
it will have forced him to find a viable solution for the girl and made the trade part more interesting
@Gauvain I am not going to read your entire post because your very first part is all I need to know. The drawings -are- the reality of the world, if you are trying to say "Well that's not reality" then anyone can reject anything that happens saying "It didn't happen exactly like that" and there can be no debate. If you can't stick to the facts presented as they're presented, then you can't debate with people about what is and isn't happening cause you can just make stuff up. And I have much better things to do with my time than engage with someone who will simply say "I know that's what the author and artist put, but that's not what realy happened" as if you're some sort of authority on the reality of someone else's made up world.
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@WillLi
It's logical, no one builds a weapon to be fragile, if a weapon breaks in more than 2 pieces it's not made correctly, so I'm 100% sure that the draftsman does not know anything about weapons, history, science
so he has badly drawn because he does not know this information, so do not take into account his mistake.
if in a drawing, the arch of a door is not possible, that means that it is badly drawn
must you believe the reality or the draftman?
precisely in chapter 4 the top of the door and the window of the workshop of the forgeront are not possible
the same for the guild, on the picture with the text "and ten days later..."
besides, even the wall of the workshop is badly built, no mason would make the mistake of lining up the stone vertically, a wall rised like that, does not stand up
and that's knowledge was common at the time because it was hundreds of years old before this type of construction
To summarize, a draftsman and an author, are not historians, architects, builders, strategists, economists, ...
They can not know everything, often they just have a nice idea
the person doing the drawings is human and the mistake is human
all your explanation is based on ignorance, on a mistake, me on thousands of years of history, craft, construction, ...
It's logical, no one builds a weapon to be fragile, if a weapon breaks in more than 2 pieces it's not made correctly, so I'm 100% sure that the draftsman does not know anything about weapons, history, science
so he has badly drawn because he does not know this information, so do not take into account his mistake.
if in a drawing, the arch of a door is not possible, that means that it is badly drawn
must you believe the reality or the draftman?
precisely in chapter 4 the top of the door and the window of the workshop of the forgeront are not possible
the same for the guild, on the picture with the text "and ten days later..."
besides, even the wall of the workshop is badly built, no mason would make the mistake of lining up the stone vertically, a wall rised like that, does not stand up
and that's knowledge was common at the time because it was hundreds of years old before this type of construction
To summarize, a draftsman and an author, are not historians, architects, builders, strategists, economists, ...
They can not know everything, often they just have a nice idea
the person doing the drawings is human and the mistake is human
all your explanation is based on ignorance, on a mistake, me on thousands of years of history, craft, construction, ...
