Sick of chapter 0's

[SandyBleach]

Why? Why have them, theres very infrequently one that is actually useful. Most explain the first 10 chapters of a manga and ruin pacing, its like watching a movie trailer that spoils the whole premise

 

[Argaven]

Most mangaka have to publish a so called ''pilot episode'' before it gets serialized, most manga don't even progress further than one shots, if it gets enough positive reviews/the editors decide it's good enough, the artists are given the green light to make it a series. See that one manga from the Death Note mangaka, there's a lot of detail about the industry there that seems pretty accurate to me.

 

[gomichandesu]

@argaven
bakuman is a treasure lol.

but yeah, I also know in the webtoon community "0 chapters" are also often used as like, trailers to gain hype or something. But I mean, you know OP, I typically just skip the 0 chapter and go straight into the first. You know you aren't obligated to read shit you don't want to read right?

 

[ZaxaPac]

@gomichandesu

You know you aren't obligated to read shit you don't want to read right?

Lies! You aren't a true member of this site unless you read every single chapter that is ever released! [/sarcasm]

But seriously, that's exactly right. It's your choice whether you read any or all chapters of the series you want to read. If for some strange reason you only want to read even numbered chapters, you can do that. If you're sick of reading chapter 0's, then don't read chapter 0's. Problem solved. I could see it being an issue if the site somehow locked any subsequent chapters until you've read the previous ones, but even that could be easily by-passed by loading the chapter and then just skipping to the last page.

 

[Nick_Asano]

In Soviet Russia, chapter 0's are sick of you.

 

[Nick_Asano]

@gomichandesu Yes but no. It's an OCD thing, I guess. I'm the kind of person who has to play a game on hard or not at all, unless hard mode isn't available. I'm the kind of person who has to read the author's notes in the beginning of a book before progressing. So skipping "chapter 0" in a manga isn't something that I can just do, and I imagine it's the same for most people here. The only exception is if it's a trailer or a one-shot that isn't in the same reality as the manga itself.

 

[TucoBenedicto]

As @Argaven explained most "Chapter 0" are pilot episodes.

To put it simply, you can think about them as a prototype/beta version of a series.
They are typically the original work the author pitched to an editor, a one-shot stand alone story, and they get reworked/turned into proper serialization only if they are successful enough to catch people and/or publishers' attention.

 

[SandyBleach]

@TucoBenedicto I understand the concepts of oneshots and pilots, thats not really what im talking about. I guess you get more of them(0's) in korean stuff than in japanese, usually they're released after serialisation has started. I find it infuriating how chapter zeros are becoming closer to an industry standard(though as i have said, not yet used everywhere).
I dont think its outrageous to assume that they have descriptions of manga in east asia rather than needing these chapter 0's, i dont think its good practise to translate them and i am sure most of the time they are created by a marketing team rather than the artist and author themselves.
I understand you can avoid them, but why translate them? no one needs to and if your comic is so bad it can be summed up in 6 pages of marketing made by some shill please write better.
That said i do read some of the total garbage writing that comes out of east asia and this is just one of the many common flaws i find, i just like to complain(I'm British, forgive me).

 

[gomichandesu]

@sandybleach
Well, to answer the question of why bother, it's the same as people asking why translators bother to translate "bad manga", or why they bother to translate authors notes and such. It's a matter of opinion with no right or wrong answer. Some translators like to have a complete set, some think it does add value, or some are a kin to me in the sense that the reason they translate is to further their education/skills. So, if it's something that will help them better their translation work, why not?
In the same vein, some readers like those chapter zeros. Personally, I like them if the series has a lot of chapters out already. It can be a bit daunting to pick up a new series when it's already been out for a long time, 0 chapter can give you an idea of if it's worth your time. Otherwise though, as said, I'll typically just skip them if I already know I wanna read the thing.

 

[mfha]

well I'm sick of you how about that?

 

[pandascepter]

@SandyBleach anyway, 0's chapter is important for a marketing purpose, even though you said it was after serialization, almost all of the company do this, if the public gave some positive reaction, then it's good to go. And in the other side, 0's chapter is to tell the concept of the story, or a summary what will happend in the future, it is your rights to hate it or not and to read it or not. You have a privilege to do such a thing, but you cant beat the nature 0's purpose, even rhough you have a good point.

 

[SandyBleach]

@pandascepter amazingly there already exist things that serve such functions, such as covers and blurbs. Neither of these things spoil a story if used correctly.

 

[pandascepter]

@SandyBleach that's the point, it was marketed for a new reader, all of it, from poster, books cover, etc. it makes a new reader more appealed to it.

 

[SandyBleach]

@pandascepter as i have pointed out chapter 0's frequently are closer to synopses than basic information like a cover, i was presenting two different marketing features one which i think is inferior which was the point of this post...

 

[pandascepter]

@SandyBleach There is one more reason why they are do works on 0's. One possible is, because they doesnt want to waste a chapter or Two it's presented for the people that interested into the series. Number two is just like wah chu say, it's slightly biased to the synopsis of the story, because they want to read the entire of what's the point of the story b4 continuing the series itself. Let's just said that 0's the title, but it is tell the whole story of the manga ( They exist thou, too long idont remeber ), and they still had motivation to make more chapter even they alrd spoiled all the story at the title, why ? because the demand of reader is high, that is why.

Conclusion : You need to see a both side effect, b4 become a cons you need more information about what is wrong and dont just making a thread because you had a basic information, pro will always win in this thread no matter what, because the true nature of 0's to tell a whole story of a manga.

Also it's not to bad to skip 0's, i too skip a 0 because i want that feeling the 'Clichè'. like @gomichandesu

 

[pandascepter]

i dont want to continue to argue with you, because its so boring and pro always win in this thread !!! Baka

 

[potatofood]

translators are going to translate what they want to. If you don't want to see chapter 0s, translate something yourself, or even better, just wait until they release chapter 1 and start reading then

 

[aerozext]

This whole translating is piracy to begin with.
Expecting decency here is kinda meh.