Sora wo Matotte - Vol. 3 Ch. 18 - Spontaneous nature

[outinthegardener]

The theme of this story is finding out what expression of art is valuable to each individual. MC loves nudes, and he's presented with different concepts of defining the "best" version. OTOH this is a manga, and selling manga is easier with cute girls in it. It's both a practical reality to the manga business and a meta-commentary on "why draw nude$?"

I agree with you, but I just have an issue here: all the persons Haro wants to paint are beautiful girls. No boys, no lady with atypical body. So it kinds of disprove what you just said, since currently, making a beautiful nude seems to imply painting a beautiful body.
And that's actually pretty contrary to all the people I know, who are painter or followed art schools (and I know many), ever told me. According to them, people with perfect body are usually boring to draw, while people with weird body are fun and expressive.
I guess that's why Haro as a character is starting to annoy me.

"Idealized" bodies are a feature of all media, not just manga, not just this manga. Chalk it up to the commodification of the spectacle. I too would like to see more art about tits that are crappy.

Shout out to Gal Nipa for including more variety in the tits depicted, at least.

Well he is in Japan not America. So all girls and adult women there are slim and fit. It is realistic.

That's what the magazines want you to think, but there are plenty of body types in Japan, as in any country.

 

[princess_daphie]

I know I love pretty girls aesthetically a whole lot, but only beautiful girls, and if I was an artist, I'd draw pretty naked girls all the time, so in more ways than one, I understand Haro. And I have no desire to "F" these girls, they're just, so beautiful, so soft!

Like the meme says, add me to the bunch who says "It should have been me, not him!!!"

LOL

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to comment and voice their appreciation of my TLs, I always appreciate it, and read all the comments!

 

[insert]

Gonna need to see Mayu get a W one of these days, manifesting it rn 🙏

 

[potatoawards]

Honestly only issue i'm having with the series is that i simply stopped caring about Haro and Tokyo arts sensei was thrown as a future 20-30 chapters goal
Newer characters are more interesting and complex than him, haro wants to make peak nudes and will drawn every new girl to see if it sticks, that's his whole character, outside of that he's a generic high school boy and that's fine if that wasn't recycled for 18 chapters, you don't really see him develop properly, sure we see him "surpassing goals" but we don't see that directly changing how he acts or how he paints, both are the same since he started he just changes it up for the specific challenge proposed rather than improving it for future paintings
Going about the sensei issue, whenever you start a work you wanna hook viewers, if you throw away one of the reasons to read it people will end up having reasons to throw away their interest, like the author is way to optmistic to convince everyone the manga won't get axed before he meets sensei again or WORSE drawing sensei nude ends up being the final chapter that would be tragic for me

 

[dudelookatree]

I agree with you, but I just have an issue here: all the persons Haro wants to paint are beautiful girls. No boys, no lady with atypical body. So it kinds of disprove what you just said, since currently, making a beautiful nude seems to imply painting a beautiful body.
And that's actually pretty contrary to all the people I know, who are painter or followed art schools (and I know many), ever told me. According to them, people with perfect body are usually boring to draw, while people with weird body are fun and expressive.
I guess that's why Haro as a character is starting to annoy me.

It would be cool if realizing that was part of his character arc. He finally paints the perfect nude and it's the old man

 

[dyonoctis]

I agree with you, but I just have an issue here: all the persons Haro wants to paint are beautiful girls. No boys, no lady with atypical body. So it kinds of disprove what you just said, since currently, making a beautiful nude seems to imply painting a beautiful body.
And that's actually pretty contrary to all the people I know, who are painter or followed art schools (and I know many), ever told me. According to them, people with perfect body are usually boring to draw, while people with weird body are fun and expressive.
I guess that's why Haro as a character is starting to annoy me.

To be fair, the guy is still growing as an artist, still figuring out his style. Not that long ago, he was pretty much focused on the appearance of the body alone, but now he starts to see beauty not just in the body, but the setting, the context, and the personality of his subject. His best painting are people that he found interesting and managed to understand, or caught them in a moment where they are vulnerable, or being their true selves. If it's just a beautiful woman posing, he's getting stuck.
The current MC isn't that interested in doing "studies" of the human body, all the lessons so far push him to think about the nude in a more "conceptual" way. The author of the manga though...

The author of the manga...he's definitely got a type. Looks at his other work, his socials, he likes to draw beautiful women and always got the suggestive tag on his work. (And generally there's not a lot of manga that really dare to show average/atypical bodies realistically.) But even then...I suggest you to look at the work of Soey milk, Tom bagshaw the human subjects of Jeremy Mann or Ashley wood...those are all successful fine artist who decided to draw conventionally attractive women.

Not going into the debate of if it's a good thing or not, only stating that there's legit artist out here who made their career out of mastering conventionally attractive women. It's not uncommon for artist to be hyper focalized on a type of subject. Yves Klein was obsessed about the color blue, and only use a specific shade of blue for the majority of his work.

 

[outinthegardener]

To be fair, the guy is still growing as an artist, still figuring out his style. Not that long ago, he was pretty much focused on the appearance of the body alone, but now he starts to see beauty not just in the body, but the setting, the context, and the personality of his subject. His best painting are people that he found interesting and managed to understand, or caught them in a moment where they are vulnerable, or being their true selves. If it's just a beautiful woman posing, he's getting stuck.
The current MC isn't that interested in doing "studies" of the human body, all the lessons so far push him to think about the nude in a more "conceptual" way. The author of the manga though...

I'm waiting for him to start thinking about what his brushstrokes convey about the subject. Technique and material has a language to it. It's one of the biggest advantages of paintings over photographs: they contain a lot of "how" in addition to what they contain in "what."

The author of the manga...he's definitely got a type. Looks at his other work, his socials, he likes to draw beautiful women and always got the suggestive tag on his work. (And generally there's not a lot of manga that really dare to show average/atypical bodies realistically.) But even then...I suggest you to look at the work of Soey milk, Tom bagshaw the human subjects of Jeremy Mann or Ashley wood...those are all successful fine artist who decided to draw conventionally attractive women.

Not going into the debate of if it's a good thing or not, only stating that there's legit artist out here who made their career out of mastering conventionally attractive women. It's not uncommon for artist to be hyper focalized on a type of subject. Yves Klein was obsessed about the color blue, and only use a specific shade of blue for the majority of his work.

I think this is a consequence of Manga as a commercial medium. Artists have to make simplified drawings in a short time with mass appeal. It's rare to find hyper-detailed manga or expressive manga (I'm looking at you, Vagabond!) that push the art. This author is pretty good at economically conveying figure anatomy- Even though they only draw skinny women with perky symmetrical breasts.

Someone should show the MC the work of Jenny Saville

 

[HajimeteNHK]

Gotta Catch 'Em Nude All​

 

[Kushikime]

I thought she was a bit over eccentric but after this chapter I like her

 

[bobohohaha]

I agree with you, but I just have an issue here: all the persons Haro wants to paint are beautiful girls. No boys, no lady with atypical body. So it kinds of disprove what you just said, since currently, making a beautiful nude seems to imply painting a beautiful body.
And that's actually pretty contrary to all the people I know, who are painter or followed art schools (and I know many), ever told me. According to them, people with perfect body are usually boring to draw, while people with weird body are fun and expressive.
I guess that's why Haro as a character is starting to annoy me.

Haro is a normal guy, why would he want to draw boys? Also its normal for him to only want to draw beautiful girls.

 

[coyote_vdb]

Haro is a normal guy, why would he want to draw boys? Also its normal for him to only want to draw beautiful girls.

He'll never be a proper artist then. Artists are not "normal" guys. They are more curious and interested in what's unusual.

 

[princess_daphie]

Honestly only issue i'm having with the series is that i simply stopped caring about Haro and Tokyo arts sensei was thrown as a future 20-30 chapters goal
Newer characters are more interesting and complex than him, haro wants to make peak nudes and will drawn every new girl to see if it sticks, that's his whole character, outside of that he's a generic high school boy and that's fine if that wasn't recycled for 18 chapters, you don't really see him develop properly, sure we see him "surpassing goals" but we don't see that directly changing how he acts or how he paints, both are the same since he started he just changes it up for the specific challenge proposed rather than improving it for future paintings
Going about the sensei issue, whenever you start a work you wanna hook viewers, if you throw away one of the reasons to read it people will end up having reasons to throw away their interest, like the author is way to optmistic to convince everyone the manga won't get axed before he meets sensei again or WORSE drawing sensei nude ends up being the final chapter that would be tragic for me

I keep thinking about this too, I feel like the story sorely misses reminders of the ultimate goal, i.e. Rei-sensei!

But I gotta say that it's got enough "monster of the week" --> "hot girl of the week" content with some depth to keep me invested.

 

[GoodNaturedArsonist]

good read thanks for the translation!

 

[sf7pakistan]

Mayu is going to have a heart-attack really soon if Haro doesn't stop asking every living woman to model nude for him lmao

 

[Panino]

Seems like he found his muse.