SSS-Class Revival Hunter - Vol. 2 Ch. 70

[MangaDex]

 

[estelion]

Kind of hard to take this breakdown seriously when at the heart of the matter it's due to Korean wuxia authors recontextualising 武林 from 'the social context of (fictional) outlaw martial artists in ancient China' to 'literally a whole new fantasy world'.

There aren't supposed to be fishermen or prostitutes in the wulin, unless they are also part of the society of martial artists divorced from the Imperial secular world. That's why it's the wulin.

 

[Goyal99Raj]

Kind of hard to take this breakdown seriously when at the heart of the matter it's due to Korean wuxia authors recontextualising 武林 from 'the social context of (fictional) outlaw martial artists in ancient China' to 'literally a whole new fantasy world'.

There aren't supposed to be fishermen or prostitutes in the wulin, unless they are also part of the society of martial artists divorced from the Imperial secular world. That's why it's the wulin.

true, but murim / wuxia is more of a jumping-off point for these types of series. it's a proper genre outside of the original context.


i get a lot more out of these stories by ignoring the historical aspect and just treating jt like a specific type of fantasy world. your criticism is valid, but i don't think it matters??? if that makes any sense???

 

[estelion]

true, but murim / wuxia is more of a jumping-off point for these types of series. it's a proper genre outside of the original context.


i get a lot more out of these stories by ignoring the historical aspect and just treating jt like a specific type of fantasy world. your criticism is valid, but i don't think it matters??? if that makes any sense???

I see what you're trying to say, but I don't think it's a valid point because I'm not criticising the genre as it is. I'm just pointing out that her argument is ridiculous. Essentially, what she's saying is:

'Why is the setting of this genre so exclusionary?'

and the answer is

'Because newer authors from a different country have taken the trappings of the genre without considering context or the need to translate them to a new context.'

That's not a deep or meaningful reflection on the human condition or anything, lol. It's not a question that says anything or provokes any real thought because there's one singular correct answer and it's a stupid one.

It's the same as a character asking 'Why does our realm, Secret Underground Sex Gladiator Alliance, care so little about accountants and fishermen?' when the answer is 'Because all the new authors have decided that the Secret Underground Sex Gladiator Alliance isn't the name of a secret alliance of people, but the name of literally a whole fucking alternate universe, due to geopolitical considerations and real world politics and extremely mild xenophobia.'

 

[Goyal99Raj]

I see what you're trying to say, but I don't think it's a valid point because I'm not criticising the genre as it is. I'm just pointing out that her argument is ridiculous. Essentially, what she's saying is:

'Why is the setting of this genre so exclusionary?'

and the answer is

'Because newer authors from a different country have taken the trappings of the genre without considering context or the need to translate them to a new context.'

That's not a deep or meaningful reflection on the human condition or anything, lol. It's not a question that says anything or provokes any real thought because there's one singular correct answer and it's a stupid one.

It's the same as a character asking 'Why does our realm, Secret Underground Sex Gladiator Alliance, care so little about accountants and fishermen?' when the answer is 'Because all the new authors have decided that the Secret Underground Sex Gladiator Alliance isn't the name of a secret alliance of people, but the name of literally a whole fucking alternate universe, due to geopolitical considerations and real world politics and extremely mild xenophobia.'

yeah that's fair.

I think the story is reflecting an atmosphere where warriors are prized over all other classes. that may not be a common trait in Chinese history or even Korean history, where martial arts was an integrated part of society --- a cog in a machine if you will. But it does fit wuxia fuction really well (as well as Japanese shogunates).

This is why I'm saying we should look at murim as a seperate genre. this dark master is criticizng the general murim world that places a lot of emphasis on martial skill. yes that's kind of stupid by historical standards, but in the context of this genre and the worlds it creates, it makes perfect sens.

Murim / Wuxia is only loosely based on history. it's really its own thing at this point. So we need to look at characters' critique in that context, not in relation to the real world.

 

[estelion]

this dark master is criticizng the general murim world that places a lot of emphasis on martial skill.

No she's not, lol. She's criticising the orthodoxy that is focused around the genre trope organisations. She, herself, as well as her organisation, value martial skill and from everything we've seen of her seemed to encourage teaching it.

Their organisation functions by picking out the people dissatisfied with the orthodoxy and training them to the peak of martial skill.

But that orthodoxy is only exclusionary because it was meant to represent a tiny outlaw minority.

 

[Entropy67]

She, herself, as well as her organisation, value martial skill and from everything we've seen of her seemed to encourage teaching it.

Well if you remember the existence of the outer sect and the test regarding that... they don't really seem to be encouraging it. Though they obviously require more people to join as martial artists to continue to exist, it seems that people join the demonic cult with the wish of weaponizing their pain.

 

[estelion]

Well if you remember the existence of the outer sect and the test regarding that... they don't really seem to be encouraging it. Though they obviously require more people to join as martial artists to continue to exist, it seems that people join the demonic cult with the wish of weaponizing their pain.

Because the rest have no talent under their particular set of skills, if you remember how their martial arts work. Better to farm rice for the ones who are worth nurturing. They encourage its perpetuity.

 

[Bambusoideae]

MC legits learned the secret technique before becoming a demonic cult members and already reached the level of masters within the cults lol.