Teisou Gyakuten Sekai de Tanomeba Yareru to Uwasa no Ore - Vol. 1 Ch. 4

[theOOFman]

HE NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED 💢💢💢

 

[Tsumi]

The site has a collection of "content rating" tags regarding nudity for this exact reason. Everything from pornographic (think it got renamed to "mature"?), to erotica (Uncertain if that is where this would land, it is probably much too implicitrather than explicit, and reductive of the sex scenes, to qualify. at least so far), to suggestive (I would probably place this story here, due to how implicit and summarized the sex scenes are. At most there are just a couple half-naked panels with some nipples, not enough to qualify as erotica).

In other words, as long as you tag it correctly, it is obviously allowed to have it uncensored. And if you do not tag it correctly, moderators might correct it for you.

My understanding is that if it explicitly shows the genitals, then it's pornographic (now mature). If it doesn't but breasts and sex acts are shown, then it's erotica. If breasts are generally censored and sex acts are implied and not shown, then it's just suggestive.

 

[NarlepoaxIII]

Aw, gee. It's almost like bullying someone is a bad way to get them to like you.

Who could have known?

 

[crackkid]

The scenes being identical to that genre but just with genders reversed, is messing with my brain that I had to imagine the brat being Nagatoro to make sense of it all.

 

[feha]

My understanding is that if it explicitly shows the genitals, then it's pornographic (now mature). If it doesn't but breasts and sex acts are shown, then it's erotica. If breasts are generally censored and sex acts are implied and not shown, then it's just suggestive.

Nah, it can be as tame as "suggestive" even if genitals are explicitly shown (in fact, it can even be considered non-sexual, depending on the framing).

I think it might help to instead consider it from a different angle entirely, than how much nudity is shown:
"How much sexual gratification should a reader expect?"

Basically, if it is to be read solely to get off, then it is pornographic/hentai ("mature" now).

If it is meant to be a story you read to get off eventually, but through the context of a story and not pure pornography, then it is erotica/smut/hentai. This category could include both works that are intended to gratify the reader, and ones where sexual themes are just so central to the plot and/or topic that it needs to delve into them into enough detail they can be used for gratification too. But the latter might also be argued to fit the last (further down) category instead - though personally I would argue it doesn't always, and it depends on detail/explicitness, framing, plot-driving and frequency (i.e a forced scene could be described in detail through how horrible it makes the victim feel, and even though it had explicit details it would not fit up here in this category. Or it could describe what is happening, and it could be argued to fit here (I probably would if it is frequent), despite how the intent is solely to contextualize the victim and flesh out their character, and the reader was meant to infer their emotions themselves).
Often, erotica is going to be rather shallow and entirely dedicated to the purpose that granted it the tag, or it is going to be a really deep read that just decided to wrap it in such content to make it more palatable or whatever caused the decision (sometimes it feels like it is simply because the story would need a lot of sex scenes anyway to contextualize the characters and drive the plot, so the author just decided to embrace it). Some of the most fucked up (read: interesting) works I have read were given that treatment by their author.

But if it is not something that is enough to get a reader off, and instead at most might get them going but inevitable force them to stop reading and pick up somehting of the prior content ratings to get off, then it is suggestive (arguably one can also split this one into 2, as there are also the ones that just has "fan-service" in singular panels, but that aren't actually suggestive. But for manga that new category would be "all mangas to have ever been made :/"; suggestive is arguably the kind most ppl dislike, as the sexual content serves no purpose. It does not drive the plot forward, nor does it actually gratify the reader).

Finally, there are the types of story not intended to gratify the reader in any way, nor anything similar. Often by not touching on those topics whatsoever, but even rare scenes are acceptable - no matter how explicit (noone would ever consider a work erotica, or even suggestive, just cause the mc bedded a heroine once. They might however consider the chapter spent to detail it as entirely superfluous and redundant, and actively detracting from the quality of the story. to the point they drop it. But there is a clear distinction in those terms/genres/categories, vs something like a "trigger warning"/similar tag that shows up the moment there is any amount of the thing (usually labeled stuff like "sexual nudity" and "explicit content")). But usually, a work in this category can get away with simply having something fade to black, or at times use symbolism to tell the reader that in another world-line, the characters had sex here: and you should assume they did for later events to make sense, even though they didn't actually do it in this worldline.


Obviously, there are all the caveats and details and whatnot that makes the overly broad stuff I said not entirely correct, or outright wrong. As always when trying to categorize things in nice little human boxes or describe art through commonalities, the exceptions are almost more numerous than what fits without blurred lines, and the reductive summarizations are nothing but pure reductions that figuratively misses more continents than a map of the mediterranean - before one even has to consider any details.


edit: effectively, I think tags should always be considered as something there for discoverability. A tag should be used to find out if the thing is something you want to read (either by having some desireable trait, or to warn of the existence of one that is undesirable), or even to help you find works you want to read through searching for (or blacklisting) the tag. Hence why the perspective of "what would readers use this story for" is the best way to consider the aforementioned tags.

 

[Dexmangnata]

Nah, it can be as tame as "suggestive" even if genitals are explicitly shown (in fact, it can even be considered non-sexual, depending on the framing).

I think it might help to instead consider it from a different angle entirely, than how much nudity is shown:
"How much sexual gratification should a reader expect?"

Basically, if it is to be read solely to get off, then it is pornographic/hentai ("mature" now).

If it is meant to be a story you read to get off eventually, but through the context of a story and not pure pornography, then it is erotica/smut/hentai. This category could include both works that are intended to gratify the reader, and ones where sexual themes are just so central to the plot and/or topic that it needs to delve into them into enough detail they can be used for gratification too. But the latter might also be argued to fit the last (further down) category instead - though personally I would argue it doesn't always, and it depends on detail/explicitness, framing, plot-driving and frequency (i.e a forced scene could be described in detail through how horrible it makes the victim feel, and even though it had explicit details it would not fit up here in this category. Or it could describe what is happening, and it could be argued to fit here (I probably would if it is frequent), despite how the intent is solely to contextualize the victim and flesh out their character, and the reader was meant to infer their emotions themselves).
Often, erotica is going to be rather shallow and entirely dedicated to the purpose that granted it the tag, or it is going to be a really deep read that just decided to wrap it in such content to make it more palatable or whatever caused the decision (sometimes it feels like it is simply because the story would need a lot of sex scenes anyway to contextualize the characters and drive the plot, so the author just decided to embrace it). Some of the most fucked up (read: interesting) works I have read were given that treatment by their author.

But if it is not something that is enough to get a reader off, and instead at most might get them going but inevitable force them to stop reading and pick up somehting of the prior content ratings to get off, then it is suggestive (arguably one can also split this one into 2, as there are also the ones that just has "fan-service" in singular panels, but that aren't actually suggestive. But for manga that new category would be "all mangas to have ever been made :/"; suggestive is arguably the kind most ppl dislike, as the sexual content serves no purpose. It does not drive the plot forward, nor does it actually gratify the reader).

Finally, there are the types of story not intended to gratify the reader in any way, nor anything similar. Often by not touching on those topics whatsoever, but even rare scenes are acceptable - no matter how explicit (noone would ever consider a work erotica, or even suggestive, just cause the mc bedded a heroine once. They might however consider the chapter spent to detail it as entirely superfluous and redundant, and actively detracting from the quality of the story. to the point they drop it. But there is a clear distinction in those terms/genres/categories, vs something like a "trigger warning"/similar tag that shows up the moment there is any amount of the thing (usually labeled stuff like "sexual nudity" and "explicit content")). But usually, a work in this category can get away with simply having something fade to black, or at times use symbolism to tell the reader that in another world-line, the characters had sex here: and you should assume they did for later events to make sense, even though they didn't actually do it in this worldline.


Obviously, there are all the caveats and details and whatnot that makes the overly broad stuff I said not entirely correct, or outright wrong. As always when trying to categorize things in nice little human boxes or describe art through commonalities, the exceptions are almost more numerous than what fits without blurred lines, and the reductive summarizations are nothing but pure reductions that figuratively misses more continents than a map of the mediterranean - before one even has to consider any details.


edit: effectively, I think tags should always be considered as something there for discoverability. A tag should be used to find out if the thing is something you want to read (either by having some desireable trait, or to warn of the existence of one that is undesirable), or even to help you find works you want to read through searching for (or blacklisting) the tag. Hence why the perspective of "what would readers use this story for" is the best way to consider the aforementioned tags.

Your comment is exactly why this site should have a “Ecchi” tag between suggestive and erotica, for manga with ether no sexual nudity or sexual intent without the purpose of leading to sex. Say from dense characters not caring about nudity (sora chan wants to be satisfied) to showcasing vulnerability, cultural/mature differences (like war) or making a point like “I’m a women not a child” (marginal operation) and so on).

 

[Dexmangnata]

Good evening! Today we’re bringing you a new chapter of this series. Because we’re unsure about the site’s rules, we don’t know if uploading the uncensored version is allowed, as this is a fan release and not an official scan. We appreciate your understanding. The uncensored version will be available on Patreon.

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It should be fine. I’ve read mangas before that have decensored official manga into a fan translation, sometimes with [unsensored] in the chapter name. Dungeon shima tou de yadoy and the which of predator among them.

 

[feha]

Your comment is exactly why this site should have a “Ecchi” tag between suggestive and erotica, for manga with ether no sexual nudity or sexual intent without the purpose of leading to sex. Say from dense characters not caring about nudity (sora chan wants to be satisfied) to showcasing vulnerability, cultural/mature differences (like war) or making a point like “I’m a women not a child” (marginal operation) and so on).

My comment, or the points it makes? ;D

That said, I do not think "ecchi" would be a good label for such. Ecchi is what I would consider "a tag that denotes the overabundance of "fan service" (normally I would consider it enough for there to be any at all... if it wasn't that nearly all manga has it because it almsot seems like a rote obligation to have at least some, at this point. So the tag would be better used for any amount beyond what is easily unconsciously ignored, or somesuch).
If you wanted a tag that denotes sexual content used tastefully and as a literary tool, or at least part of the story being told in some way (instead of for erotica), I think something like "mature" would fit better... just, it is already used for something else here (still no idea why that change was made). Maybe "unpornographic sex/nudity"? ...Honestly hard to think of a fitting label.

or did I get confused by your double negative and misread it?

 

[Eija]

A whole lotta gay ppl in here

1) gay men do in fact also read manga sometimes, well done
2) that is literally a girl the mangaka decided to call a guy, anybody who likes him likes him for feminine traits, there are not many people who like femboys who arent either bi or attracted to women

 

[Dexmangnata]

My comment, or the points it makes? ;D

That said, I do not think "ecchi" would be a good label for such. Ecchi is what I would consider "a tag that denotes the overabundance of "fan service" (normally I would consider it enough for there to be any at all... if it wasn't that nearly all manga has it because it almsot seems like a rote obligation to have at least some, at this point. So the tag would be better used for any amount beyond what is easily unconsciously ignored, or somesuch).
If you wanted a tag that denotes sexual content used tastefully and as a literary tool, or at least part of the story being told in some way (instead of for erotica), I think something like "mature" would fit better... just, it is already used for something else here (still no idea why that change was made). Maybe "unpornographic sex/nudity"? ...Honestly hard to think of a fitting label.

or did I get confused by your double negative and misread it?

You’re right on point. And mature label does fit that description better than ecchi that’s almost synonymous with fan service. Maybe “Mature Topics” works better for the cannotation and simplicity.

 

[residentFATBOY]

Lol love the reverse Nagatoro dynamic the author did for exploring the idea of a stolen love.

 

[lordb1]

He's getting less tsundere and more yandere.

 

[EchoGirl]

Thanks for the update!

Good evening! Today we’re bringing you a new chapter of this series. Because we’re unsure about the site’s rules, we don’t know if uploading the uncensored version is allowed, as this is a fan release and not an official scan. We appreciate your understanding. The uncensored version will be available on Patreon.

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I think it's fine considering the raws show it/there's straight up hentai on this site too

So is fuckboi going down the yandere route, or will he go the thug route and recruit a bunch of girls to do it for him.

Given the moral reversals and MC's 'og attitude' i imagine he's strong enough to fend them off (or easily seduce any girls if needed lol) versus him transmigrating to a 'slender week' body (tho we're far into the story to where he's gotten used to the world as opposed to it being the 'first day' he's here so he would've had time to bulk up and such)

I wonder how many of the people here disgusted at the boy would be all over a mesugaki loli.

I mean i'm sure there's some 'bratty boy x femdom onee-sama' too without it being the moral reversal settings XD

Bro, chapter 3 you uploaded recently is uncensored. Seriously, are you fine?

Or they just want patreon donations /shrug (i know some ppl do link donation links but is it against the rules to paywall lock a censored chapter like that versus it being like 'blank barbie dolls' and someone on their team put effort into redrawing it)

 

[SapphireDrake]

I like this theme of a “reverse chastity world.” But at the same time, I have some difficulty accepting that things work that way. What I feel is missing is for the stories to provide a logical reason for why things function like that. I usually try to “ignore the logic” and just accept that this is how things are, period. Still, I wish they would include some background explaining why this role reversal happens.

One thing I didn’t find very logical is the fact that boys don’t want to go out with girls because they’re virgins. Even in the “normal” world, I’ve never seen stories about girls not wanting to date boys just because they’re still virgins. Usually, at least within my circle of friends, there was a lot more teasing among boys for being virgins than girls mocking boys for still being virgins.

But putting all that aside, I’m enjoying the story so far.

I saw someone here give a good explanation for that bit. They called the blond dude a gyaru who cares more about appearances and status. So to switch the genders, it's a gyaru flirting with a good looking guy then being told he's a loser who can't get with any woman and losing interest. Makes sense to me

 

[KanzakiYuu]

On this case hes the male equivalent of a more toxic Nagatoro, kinda throwing a jab to an stereoptype that might look cute acting like that but they are actually a pain to deal with if you have such a person around

Sure, but even that other dude acts... Off. So my question remains unanswered.

 

[ShadowSilence]

gasp, shock, awe

 

[DoppleK6]

Well, yes, but that's also typically the case with male leads paired with mesugaki. Koharu's initiative here is still a joltingly noticeable difference from basically every mesugaki manga.

Really? Because in many mesugaki manga, part of the teasing includes "failing to/can't get a girlfriend". Meaning there was attempts and therefore initiative. Sure there's quite a number that never tried, but I'm pretty sure there's more that did(only because it would add the failed attempts as insults/teasing).

Plus Koharu has the advantage of meeting a guy that has reversed morals(from their perspective). So its very unfair to compare the two.

 

[Tsumi]

Sure, but even that other dude acts... Off. So my question remains unanswered.

Other dude is acting as the male equivalent of a gyaru. The slutty toxic gyaru stereotype.

I keep seeing Nagatoro comparisons and based on the first two chapters of Nagatoro, I just can't see it. Yes, she teases him but there are still dere moments. There were no dere moments with this childhood friend. Yan without the dere, yes. Definitely no tsun here either.

 

[SilentWInd]

I wonder how many of the people here disgusted at the boy would be all over a mesugaki loli.

Personally, I don't really enjoy that kind of character, regardless of gender. But I feel like this statement is weird.

I don't know if you intended to say it like its hypocrisy to dislike one and like the other, and I won't say its a rule and it's the same for everyone, but I feel like it's normal for people to feel things differently depending on the gender.

Like imagine anyone in your life and genderswap them, be it an acquaintance, friend, or significant other, and their behavior. Most people are going to feel a little different about it.

In this case girl mesugakis are more common, so most people of an audience that reads stuff like this manga will already have a certain impression due to exposure. Expecting them to feel the same impression towards a boy because of the similar trope is a bit much.

 

[SilentWInd]

Once again tsunderes showing how trash their personality archetype is

While I agree that tsunderes are dumb and unnecessarily violent as an archetype, I find mesugakis or possessive characters to be a step further.
While tsunderes hide affection with violence and denial. This kind of character meticulously conceal their intentions by demeaning and gatekeeping their target.
Like the difference between first and second degree murder maybe.