Tensei Saki ga Zannen Ouji Datta Ken: Ima wa Fukkin 1-kai mo Dekinai kedo Yasete Isekai Sukuimasu - Vol. 6 Ch. 28

[MangaDex]

 

[Antinomy]

Elves and Dwarves shouldn't try some shit, aside from each adding a harem member to his harem, unless they wanna get rekt.

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Thanks for the TL

 

[Kaarme]

I hope the former marquess had a castle/palace/mansion suitable for Luke's expansive harem.

 

[gloomyMoron]

Man, this author has no fucking clue about noble titles. Do some basic god-damn research. A Margrave is a German title equivalent to a Marquess (English) and Marquis (French) that is above an Earl/Count but below a Duke and that usually governs a border or frontier area (called a March). Just use one or the other. A Viscount is a rank below an Earl/Count and above a Baron, and usually is almost never independent.

This is very basic stuff and is just so frustrating to see wrong.

 

[finalm]

Man, this author has no fucking clue about noble titles. Do some basic god-damn research. A Margrave is a German title equivalent to a Marquess (English) and Marquis (French) that is above an Earl/Count but below a Duke and that usually governs a border or frontier area (called a March). Just use one or the other. A Viscount is a rank below an Earl/Count and above a Baron, and usually is almost never independent.

This is very basic stuff and is just so frustrating to see wrong.

You're howling at the moon. Authors don't do any research even about the sole topic their work revolves around anymore. There are manga about blacksmith MCs that produce steel swords by casting them in molds, or detective manga in which a standard police inquiry would blow the whole intrigue out the window in under 5 min. I've given up on expecting any sense.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Herbs are expensive? From how far are they imported? Or pure dungeon drops from a difficult dungeon?

Garlic tastes too good to worry about any smell.

Duke is a normal title for a prince as far as I'm concerned.

Considering Hati was given by the Sacred Beast for him to raise, I don't think the elves have any claim. Unless I'm mixing up mangas.

And Diana can decide for herself.

"Not being adjacent to other countries is also a good point."

I wonder if he'd make use of some mountain path...

Of course the elves would support whoever's against the dwarves.

"Undeveloped land" is such a key component for isekai MC territories.

I could be wrong, but I think the girls are in agreement. Makes things easier.

Man, this author has no fucking clue about noble titles.

I was more under the impression that whatever territory it was before, it'll just become a dukedom anyway. Might be a viscountcy because it's just so poor and serves more as a buffer zone than as a proper defensive line. Though most likely the author is just tossing terms to the wind.

 

[finalm]

Duke is a normal title for a prince as far as I'm concerned.

Well, yes and no. A duke is a feudal lord that rules a duchy, a prince is a member of the monarchy, a higher ranked position but not necessarily attached to any territory (a principality is an independent country, ruled by someone who titles themselves "prince", so it won't work in this context). Were a prince to be granted land, he may also be given a title that goes along with it, probably a high ranked one like duke.

I was more under the impression that whatever territory it was before, it'll just become a dukedom anyway. Might be a viscountcy because it's just so poor and serves more as a buffer zone than as a proper defensive line. Though most likely the author is just tossing terms to the wind.

The problem is that the author seems convicend that a viscount is the "more powerful" noble here (due to the line "the power of the viscountency is appealing"), while the other territories were originally marches, so if anything - they are the ones with more power invested in them.

 

[kikix12]

Man, this author has no fucking clue about noble titles. Do some basic god-damn research. A Margrave is a German title equivalent to a Marquess (English) and Marquis (French) that is above an Earl/Count but below a Duke and that usually governs a border or frontier area (called a March). Just use one or the other. A Viscount is a rank below an Earl/Count and above a Baron, and usually is almost never independent.

This is very basic stuff and is just so frustrating to see wrong.

None of this is relevant. It's not Earth. It's extremely common and very reasonable for fiction to use the titles from multiple sources in different ways. Heck, your knowledge of the titles isn't actually universally correct either. These things varied within the same territories at different times in human history, so what knowledge you have is just true for a given range of years.

Herbs are expensive? From how far are they imported? Or pure dungeon drops from a difficult dungeon?

Distance is just one factor in price of spices. Some may be difficult to cultivate. Some may be difficult to store for long. Some may be difficult to process. Some may have simply low supply, maybe because they're new or maybe because there are more important things to grow on available land.

Spices are largely luxury goods. That always increased their price in history, at least until the time that there started to be too much of everything.

Garlic tastes too good to worry about any smell.

There is a reason to worry about the smell. It permeates a person, so the person themselves smell of a digested garlic (which is different from fresh garlic, by the way). It is very unpleasant and in formal situations, if someone smelled of garlic, most people would consider that very bad manners.

There are also people like me that simply have a gag reflex to its smell due to allergy. I physically cannot stay in a room smelling of garlic since I would suffocate from the above.

Duke is a normal title for a prince as far as I'm concerned.

It's normal for a price of the same country. It's not normal for a prince of a foreign country. Especially a prince with very bad reputation.

Of course, it would still become normal for a foreign prince, even with bad reputation, once he'd marry a princess of the country...so yeah.

Considering Hati was given by the Sacred Beast for him to raise, I don't think the elves have any claim. Unless I'm mixing up mangas.

You're not mixing them up and you are right that they have no claim. People do feel entitled to things they have no right to on a regular basis. And there are those that act like they felt entitled as a form of pressuring someone to cave in and give them some benefits, despite them not being entitled to any.

Remember, negotiations in trade start with the seller giving an outrageously high price that they have no expectation of the item selling for. It is on the buyers side to lower the price to where its value lies.

And Diana can decide for herself.

That's why they want to meet. They don't know whether Diana wants to be with him or not right now.

 

[finalm]

None of this is relevant. It's not Earth. It's extremely common and very reasonable for fiction to use the titles from multiple sources in different ways. Heck, your knowledge of the titles isn't actually universally correct either. These things varied within the same territories at different times in human history, so what knowledge you have is just true for a given range of years.

There is no indication this world uses a different hierarchy for such titles than the traditional European one, if you think otherwise, point to chapter and page that sys as much.

As for the "varies" part - that's quite the take, care to provide some sources that would confirm that the relevant titles (duke, marquis and viscount) held different ranks with respect to each other, at different points in time, in the feudal hierarchy? I think you'll find that difficult, but go ahead - you seem so confident and all...

 

[Miserys_End]

You're howling at the moon. Authors don't do any research even about the sole topic their work revolves around anymore. There are manga about blacksmith MCs that produce steel swords by casting them in molds, or detective manga in which a standard police inquiry would blow the whole intrigue out the window in under 5 min. I've given up on expecting any sense.

Just a small correction, trash authors and illustrators skimp on the research. The good ones are just better monetized, so rarely will appear on sites like MD.

Mold casting blade blanks is fine, they just need to be worked afterwords. And yes they would be shit at their intended use, but didn't stop they manufacture.

Honestly one of the more egregious illustration errors has to be fired bullets. While mangaka don't by any means have a monopoly cocking up the difference between an unsent round and a bullet in flight, they do seem to have many repeat offenders despite how vocal their community is.

 

[finalm]

Just a small correction, trash authors and illustrators skimp on the research. The good ones are just better monetized, so rarely will appear on sites like MD.

Mold casting blade blanks is fine, they just need to be worked afterwords. And yes they would be shit at their intended use, but didn't stop they manufacture.

Honestly one of the more egregious illustration errors has to be fired bullets. While mangaka don't by any means have a monopoly cocking up the difference between an unsent round and a bullet in flight, they do seem to have many repeat offenders despite how vocal their community is.

I wouldn't say they are trash authors. The overall stories are interesting (at least by the opinion of me and other people who rate them. Who would read them otherwise?), the art is great but the nonsense keeps piling up whenever there's a topic requiring some less then common knowledge. I've seen this in all sorts of works, not just manga so I'm confident in saying that authors just don't care to put in any research. Probably because hardly anyone complains or even realizes there's an issue. It's a universal problem.

Unless you mean manufacturing wall-hangers that are not meant to be used for anything, then no, it's not fine. Shit is an understatement, you can't hope to work out the internal stresses that would have formed in a full-length cast like that, nor would it benefit from the removal of any impurities that usually results from forging. Unless by "blank" you mean just a lump of steel that is yet to be hammered down to the desired length and structure, then it makes more sense. Still, steel requires a ridiculosly high temperature to melt down and even if you can achieve it (which should be out of reach for the blacksmiths portrayed, they have simple coal furnaces), melting it properly is still infeasible with medieval technology - it would just burn if simply heated to melting point in the open air.

You mean a bullet flying through the air while still in it's casing? That's a classic Hollywood trope, which only illustrates that not only the poorly-paid authors can't be arsed to read up on any topic.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Well, yes and no. A duke is a feudal lord that rules a duchy, a prince is a member of the monarchy, a higher ranked position but not necessarily attached to any territory (a principality is an independent country, ruled by someone who titles themselves "prince", so it won't work in this context). Were a prince to be granted land, he may also be given a title that goes along with it, probably a high ranked one like duke.

That's not a "yes and no." That's just a "yes." It's normal for a prince to have the title of Duke. And I said it's normal for me. Look at the royal children of Sweden and what titles they have.

The problem is that the author seems convicend that a viscount is the "more powerful" noble here (due to the line "the power of the viscountency is appealing"), while the other territories were originally marches, so if anything - they are the ones with more power invested in them.

The main problem with that is that it doesn't even matter. He's becoming a duke either way, so it doesn't matter what the area was previously.

Distance is just one factor in price of spices. Some may be difficult to cultivate. Some may be difficult to store for long. Some may be difficult to process. Some may have simply low supply, maybe because they're new or maybe because there are more important things to grow on available land.

Herbs aren't used in large quantities, like grain and vegetables, so they don't take much effort or space to cultivate. Being difficult to cultivate would be offset by what I said previously as well.

Spices are largely luxury goods. That always increased their price in history, at least until the time that there started to be too much of everything.

But they've also been available for most people. Not in large quantities, but you don't need a lot of spices unless you're one of a few cultures of Asian.

It's normal for a price of the same country. It's not normal for a prince of a foreign country. Especially a prince with very bad reputation.

Of course, it would still become normal for a foreign prince, even with bad reputation, once he'd marry a princess of the country...so yeah.

Exactly. A way to tie him into the country. He may have a bad reputation, but they're aware of how valuable he is, so he's treated as a native royal.

You're not mixing them up and you are right that they have no claim. People do feel entitled to things they have no right to on a regular basis.

See pretty much any war.

That's why they want to meet. They don't know whether Diana wants to be with him or not right now.

Yeah, meeting is perfectly fine. Meeting means talking, and communication is good. Unless it's just used for demands, but that's a different issue.

Unless you mean manufacturing wall-hangers that are not meant to be used for anything, then no, it's not fine.

This is one difference between steel and bronze (and other copper alloys, including pure copper). Bronze you can cast, and it'll still perform better than an iron sword. Even better if you work-harden the edges, though.

But it's in theory possible to cast steel swords. With modern technology it's more feasible (pre-industrial absolutely not), and may be done with magic (since we don't know exactly how that magic works).

 

[pepinotomate]

You know, i keep reading this because am mostly interested to see what happen with Lulu at the end lol (the ex fiancee), since the WN or the 1 LN vol. ain't helping with that, WN is pretty much only at around this point that the manga is going to go original if it doesn't just suddently end

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[HelioCesar]

Gimme...

GIMME NOW!!!

 

[finalm]

That's not a "yes and no." That's just a "yes." It's normal for a prince to have the title of Duke. And I said it's normal for me. Look at the royal children of Sweden and what titles they have.

No, it's not quite normal. It's true that when it happened, a high ranking title like "duke" was commonly given, but the concept of all members of a royal family having a "royal dukedom" is a modern invention, from the XXth century onwards. Historically this was the exception, rather than the norm and was only afforded to an heir to the throne (remember, the monarch usually had many children) or to fulfill some specific political goals. Land was precious and used to garner support among the gentry, your son was already on your side (and if he wasn't then he was aimning to usurp you, so you won't change his mind), so giving it to him is a waste, not to mention it affords him a lot of independent power - he can use the income to raise his own army.

The main problem with that is that it doesn't even matter. He's becoming a duke either way, so it doesn't matter what the area was previously.

Consequences (or lack thereof) for the MC are not what we're talking about. The point made was that the author has no idea what what he's talking about, which is all the more shameful, since looking up noble titles hierarchy only takes a moment and his story revolves around noble society.

But they've also been available for most people. Not in large quantities, but you don't need a lot of spices unless you're one of a few cultures of Asian.

Not in the middle ages they weren't. Any amount of spices would look like a fortune to a peasant and he'd likely get himself in trouble for theft for even having it. You couldn't even purchase them at a typical commoner's marketplace, the merchants would laugh you out of there for even asking. Spices became more available (though still terribly expensive) to the public with the advent of the renaissance.

This is one difference between steel and bronze (and other copper alloys, including pure copper). Bronze you can cast, and it'll still perform better than an iron sword. Even better if you work-harden the edges, though.

Depends on what you mean by "perform". Bronze is soft so it tends to bend, rather than break, the ease of repairing it is certainly a big plus. However, it has major disadvantages even when compared to crude historical steel. It's softness makes it less effective against gambesons and other light armor and you can't make practical longer blades out of it, so you're at a reach disadvantage.

But it's in theory possible to cast steel swords. With modern technology it's more feasible (pre-industrial absolutely not), and may be done with magic (since we don't know exactly how that magic works).

You can make them suck less by casting multiple times, while carefully controlling how the crystalline structure and it's grain formes. They will still be inferior to properly forged ones and the process is lengthy and costly, therefore being impractical.

 

[Miserys_End]

I wouldn't say they are trash authors. The overall stories are interesting (at least by the opinion of me and other people who rate them. Who would read them otherwise?), the art is great but the nonsense keeps piling up whenever there's a topic requiring some less then common knowledge. I've seen this in all sorts of works, not just manga so I'm confident in saying that authors just don't care to put in any research. Probably because hardly anyone complains or even realizes there's an issue. It's a universal problem.

While I would never say they were all trash, but the majority are trash... you can tell by the numerous dumpsterfires left in their wake. Their entire skill set is based on tired tropes and hackneyed clichés.

The perfect comparison would be AI companies training their LLMs on the interwebs. There is a lot of valuable and truely useful material out there, but there is just as much, if not more spam, disinformation, misinformation, and shit posting out there. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Unless you mean manufacturing wall-hangers that are not meant to be used for anything, then no, it's not fine. Shit is an understatement, you can't hope to work out the internal stresses that would have formed in a full-length cast like that, nor would it benefit from the removal of any impurities that usually results from forging. Unless by "blank" you mean just a lump of steel that is yet to be hammered down to the desired length and structure, then it makes more sense. Still, steel requires a ridiculosly high temperature to melt down and even if you can achieve it (which should be out of reach for the blacksmiths portrayed, they have simple coal furnaces), melting it properly is still infeasible with medieval technology - it would just burn if simply heated to melting point in the open air.

You do know there were iron swords before they made steel, right? I never said they were good swords, infact I said they were rather shit at their intended use. That however doesn't have any revelance to the fact real world that swords were produced through casting them from molten metal.

You mean a bullet flying through the air while still in it's casing? That's a classic Hollywood trope, which only illustrates that not only the poorly-paid authors can't be arsed to read up on any topic.

While I'm sure some instances were intentionally produced as satire, your statement sounds more like agreement with the sentiments of my post rather then arguments against.

 

[Miserys_End]

Gimme...
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GIMME NOW!!!

NGL, while I'm sure the execution was different, that looks rather similar to to dinner last night xD

 

[Miserys_End]

Depends on what you mean by "perform". Bronze is soft so it tends to bend, rather than break, the ease of repairing it is certainly a big plus. However, it has major disadvantages even when compared to crude historical steel. It's softness makes it less effective against gambesons and other light armor and you can't make practical longer blades out of it, so you're at a reach disadvantage.

NGL, I'm starting to wonder if you're not intentionally being obtuse and a bit of a troll. No one is saying that cast bronze or iron made weapons were better then steel, only that they were made and existed.

You can make them suck less by casting multiple times, while carefully controlling how the crystalline structure and it's grain formes. They will still be inferior to properly forged ones and the process is lengthy and costly, therefore being impractical.

Hence why the practices were retired and new processes were developed and used.

 

[finalm]

While I would never say they were all trash, but the majority are trash... you can tell by the numerous dumpsterfires left in their wake. Their entire skill set is based on tired tropes and hackneyed clichés.

All right, but how many examples to the contrary can you think of?

You do know there were iron swords before they made steel, right? I never said they were good swords, infact I said they were rather shit at their intended use. That however doesn't have any revelance to the fact real world that swords were produced through casting them from molten metal.

I do, but you responded to my comment about steel swords, why bring up iron now? Also, iron swords were not cast. The problems I mentioned with steel apply to any ferrous metal when casting.

While I'm sure some instances were intentionally produced as satire, your statement sounds more like agreement with the sentiments of my post rather then arguments against.

I meant it as a counter point to what you said about well-monetized works being more sensible.