The Fable - The Second Contact - Vol. 8 Ch. 72 - Lame Man...

[MangaDex]

 

[Big_Boss]

Time to kick some ass?

 

[pedantiq]

I really wish the author would stop using rape to add peril.

 

[AngelHQ]

I really wish the author would stop using rape to add peril.

I mean, I get your distaste for this but, it has happened from the beginning. There's not that long until the though, so maybe this will be the last one.

 

[tigerstar186]

I mean, I get your distaste for this but, it has happened from the beginning. There's not that long until the though, so maybe this will be the last one.

The problem is the constancy and pointlessness of it. Literally every major female character has either been sexually assaulted or threatened with rape multiple times at this point. Funnily enough it never happens to male characters whatsoever. It's just a gross way to portray it and they're clearly not going for realism with it or using it to deepen characters. It's just a cheap way to add shock value.

Women are already barely in the series and generally painted as inferior in this manga as is, do they really need to be made the target of endless rape scenes as well? It's to the point that despite enjoying this series I would never recommend it to someone else.

 

[AngelHQ]

Funnily enough it never happens to male characters whatsoever. It's just a gross way to portray it and they're clearly not going for realism with it or using it to deepen characters. It's just a cheap way to add shock value.

Women are already barely in the series and generally painted as inferior in this manga as is, do they really need to be made the target of endless rape scenes as well? It's to the point that despite enjoying this series I would never recommend it to someone else.

Now That you point that out, I think you're right. It's not uncommon for manga authors to do this, a sexist mentality born from the lack of sociology knowledge. Mangakas are specialized in manga and not sociology, I guess. I agree it devalues the work, but maybe is asking too much from a guy whose life might be about seinen manga and the stuff he writes about.

 

[Menace23]

Right on time

 

[LordTartaros]

Women are already barely in the series and generally painted as inferior in this manga as is, do they really need to be made the target of endless rape scenes as well? It's to the point that despite enjoying this series I would never recommend it to someone else.

I mean it’s an assassin series you cant expect to get a whole bunch of women characters and if there are, they fit more the role of victim than perpetrator. There always was rape scenes or attempts in this manga, it’s a bit late to point it out. Yes it adds shock value, it’s a trope that shows the inhumanity of the antagonists like killing one’s subordinate. I’m not a big fan of it but it’s coherent with this kind of story.

Also on another note, personally it always puzzled me how people are way more put off by rape over murder in fictions. Both should be on the same spectrum of the moral compass, yet some people consider murder to be fine in fictions but not rape for whatever reasons.

In this case I find it more shocking the scene of the trigger happy murdering a bunch of innocent civilians rather that the scene of the goon raping the female assassin who is by no means innocent. Not that I consider her treatment a fair retribution but on a moral scale, i’d place what happened to her less wrong.

 

[tigerstar186]

I mean it’s an assassin series you cant expect to get a whole bunch of women characters and if there are, they fit more the role of victim than perpetrator. There always was rape scenes or attempts in this manga, it’s a bit late to point it out. Yes it adds shock value, it’s a trope that shows the inhumanity of the antagonists like killing one’s subordinate. I’m not a big fan of it but it’s coherent with this kind of story.

There's loads of women assassins in other stories. Manga is not bound by realism, and I already made it clear that I do not think this was added for realism either. It's not too late to point out because there has still been a change: Yes, rape and sexual assault were present in The Fable. No, they did not have the same frequency, it has become more frequent. Heck, it didn't show up until chapter 58 in the original.
If their goal really is to have inhumanity expressed, why does it exclusively happen to women? and why does it happen to every woman? It's not just one character raping, either. Yet none of them would dare rape other men. There's not even a hint any of them would cross that line. You really think with all these inhuman persons willing to kill their allies or otherwise they're gonna draw the line at "Buddy, that's gay!"?

Also on another note, personally it always puzzled me how people are way more put off by rape over murder in fictions. Both should be on the same spectrum of the moral compass, yet some people consider murder to be fine in fictions but not rape for whatever reasons.

The reason is twofold: One, I signed up for a series about murder. Rape is not inherent to the genre at the start of the series or present in the description of this manga. It also doesn't occur until a decent ways into the first series. It's not billed for rape, it is billed for murder. It's a betrayal of expectations. If this were a series about rape, I wouldn't care. I don't care about rape existing in media. I'm complaining about its presence in this media specifically. I'd also be upset if Magical Girls started showing up without forewarning.
Secondly, the rape never goes anywhere. It doesn't have lasting effects on any of the characters, and the author isn't having it to ground the series in the real world as shown by the litany of other unreal things on the manga and how they harp about something being realistic when they do approach it in that manner. You could maybe make the argument it is to develop the character if it was just one character who was a rapist, but many are at this point. It's not being written to make the characters deeper or more interesting. It's just there for shock value and fanservice.

In this case I find it more shocking the scene of the trigger happy murdering a bunch of innocent civilians rather that the scene of the goon raping the female assassin who is by no means innocent. Not that I consider her treatment a fair retribution but on a moral scale, i’d place what happened to her less wrong.

I would agree in the real world, but this isn't the real world. We expect murder in media, especially so in a series specifically about murder.

 

[LordTartaros]

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This manga is not realist by any means however it does take a more realistic approach to assassins. The author linking the story to real life events like the pandemic shows that it is anchored in our world and therefore try to stick to reality. Like you said there are loads of more fantasy assassins manga where there are plenty of female assassins dressed in light clothing and severing limbs left and right. This is not that type of story.

The reason why rape doesn’t involve men is in my opinion simply that the author didn’t want to draw that. If anything he paints homosexual relationships as weird kink and a comedic device cf the exchanging clothes guy. That or the fact that rape isn’t the core part of the series and it became prevalent only in the end of part 2. The most annoying plot device in the manga was always the hostage situation which were getting repetitive.

You should’nt forget that this is a story about assassins AND yakuza. In the yakuza world sexual violence is a recurring theme, they have business centered around prostitution. Mizuno and his orgies are the perfect symbol of the ties between unhinged sexuality and the yakuza. Also notice how every time a rape was attempted, it was done by a yakuza not by the assassins. The assassins are pictured as pros who get their job done and do not give in to their instincts. The rumour guy punish the goons for what they’ve done to the female assassin.

Lastly the reason why I find the murder of civilians to be shocking is that in this manga, assassins were portrayed as meticulous individuals who avoided to kill uninvolved people to avoid standing out. And there it was the act of a lunatic who goes against what standard was previously set for assassins.

 

[krkj]

I mean it’s an assassin series you cant expect to get a whole bunch of women characters and if there are, they fit more the role of victim than perpetrator. There always was rape scenes or attempts in this manga, it’s a bit late to point it out. Yes it adds shock value, it’s a trope that shows the inhumanity of the antagonists like killing one’s subordinate. I’m not a big fan of it but it’s coherent with this kind of story.

Also on another note, personally it always puzzled me how people are way more put off by rape over murder in fictions. Both should be on the same spectrum of the moral compass, yet some people consider murder to be fine in fictions but not rape for whatever reasons.

In this case I find it more shocking the scene of the trigger happy murdering a bunch of innocent civilians rather that the scene of the goon raping the female assassin who is by no means innocent. Not that I consider her treatment a fair retribution but on a moral scale, i’d place what happened to her less wrong.

The murders here are instant, rape is not. Rape is akin to torture and you're not seeing torture in this manga for the murders. These "professional" assassins make even less sense when they are horny while at their jobs. You don't see office workers being so when at office. Assassins thinking with their lower head while at the threat of death sounds retarted af. The sequel really feels a downgrade. No doubt the editors wanted to milk this cow.

 

[LordTartaros]

The murders here are instant, rape is not. Rape is akin to torture and you're not seeing torture in this manga for the murders. These "professional" assassins make even less sense when they are horny while at their jobs. You don't see office workers being so when at office. Assassins thinking with their lower head while at the threat of death sounds retarted af. The sequel really feels a downgrade. No doubt the editors wanted to milk this cow.

The rapists here are the random thugs that Rumour hired as ants for cleaning the murder scenes not for killing. They dont have the professionalism that most assassins of this series have and their behavior is frown upon by the actual assassins.

 

[krkj]

The rapists here are the random thugs that Rumour hired as ants for cleaning the murder scenes not for killing. They dont have the professionalism that most assassins of this series have and their behavior is frown upon by the actual assassins.

I know they were ants but they were just entry level run of the mill gangmember doing gangfight here.

 

[batagordude]

Fuck man. Stop using Youko like this