The Flower That Was Bloomed by a Cloud - Ch. 63
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The lack of backstory on Dowun seems deliberate.
It fuels raging mobs of Baek backers who are short sighted like Lyon, thinking the worst of someone who has yet to outright harm her.
Of course, this sort of comment section brouhaha is good for viewership.
Has there yet been an action taken by Dowun that has been bad for her?
She jumps headfirst into things, using emotion and forgetting her station and reputation, what is expected of her as the Empress and then cracking down harshly when reprimanded.
Can you imagine being chivvied into leadership by a consummate political genius of his caliber, who you could also conveniently marry to cement your cooperation, then turn around and start seeking affection from someone who could be replaced by an actual loyal dog?
She can get affection from a pet in the meantime if she's so starved for it. She can take lovers when she's entrenched her position, not at this tenuous beginning.
She's less of a leader and more of a spoilt child, yet to understand the value of her hardwon privilege, brought on the back of Dowun who does more than he needs to, as he has to cover for her many weaknesses while watching his own actions and external parties.
If her foolishness gets him killed, only for the author to slide us a Snape-style redemption for him that could've f*cking come right around now...
It fuels raging mobs of Baek backers who are short sighted like Lyon, thinking the worst of someone who has yet to outright harm her.
Of course, this sort of comment section brouhaha is good for viewership.
Has there yet been an action taken by Dowun that has been bad for her?
She jumps headfirst into things, using emotion and forgetting her station and reputation, what is expected of her as the Empress and then cracking down harshly when reprimanded.
Can you imagine being chivvied into leadership by a consummate political genius of his caliber, who you could also conveniently marry to cement your cooperation, then turn around and start seeking affection from someone who could be replaced by an actual loyal dog?
She can get affection from a pet in the meantime if she's so starved for it. She can take lovers when she's entrenched her position, not at this tenuous beginning.
She's less of a leader and more of a spoilt child, yet to understand the value of her hardwon privilege, brought on the back of Dowun who does more than he needs to, as he has to cover for her many weaknesses while watching his own actions and external parties.
If her foolishness gets him killed, only for the author to slide us a Snape-style redemption for him that could've f*cking come right around now...
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Like what some others have said here, it's good to finally start seeing Dowun's mask crack and his emotions getting shaken up. That panel of her smiling in the past... oof. The transitions of the visuals along with the thoughts of Dowun and the princess were really well done in this chapter.
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@lindyhopper343434 YAAAS Go OFF !!!!
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There's a lot of internalized misogyny here. Whomever a woman decides to love is her decision, especially when it's a healthy friendship that serves as a form of salvation from her current toxic relationship.
And as I've said before, you Dowun bootlickers keep discrediting Lyon's own work into her political rise. She put in the work and labor to come where she is. It wasn't all Dowun, and if anything, without her, he would have had absolutely NOTHING. Let's turn the table around - it's him who has no ounce of fucking royal blood in his cheap ass veins, it's him who couldn't have come to where he is without HER. he literally knows this - that's why he approached her in the first place, assuming she was easy pickings and manipulatable, manageable. And way to sidestep his whoel history of emotionally neglecting ,gaslighting, disparaging and being an all around self-centered prick for years just so he could improve his own station in life. There's a fine line between ambitious and abusive, and my friend, your conflation of the two isn't great. As I've said before, just because he promised to collaborate with her to ascend to the throne doesn't exonerate any of his possessive abuse. That's not how abuse and power works.
Moreover, you couldn't be wronger about Baekhan, who has done more for Lyon than Dowun ever could. He saved Lyon's life. Do you know what that means? How on earth anyone could discredit that is beyond. Baek saved her from a burning building, and without that act, there wouldn't be a story. Canonically, he's the best swordsman in the land - and more importantly, he's someone who allows Lyon to be herself, something Dowun with all his gaslighting would never allow. In fact, that Dowun despises Lyon's true self doesn't mean that Lyon is short-sighted or too emotional (wow how sexist of you to imply that btw); rather, the fact that he hates her true, unrepressed personality means he's threatened by the fact that there is a part of her that is independent from him, that exists outside of him. The very reality that he actively HATES what he cannot control in her is hard evidence any discerning reader that he's a harmful, horribly BAD influence to her.
You clearly have a lot of unlearning to do, since your post is riddled with misogyny and baseless claims about a female protagonist's characterization. Before you start spewing further hateful propaganda, I suggest you Google and research what a healthy relationship means.
Or don't. If so, I leave you with this imagery of your beloved character: imagine Dowun's decapitated head on a roasting spit, salted and spiced before being feasted upon by dogs. I certainly will before bed.
Dowun doesn't deserve a reader's sympathy. All he deserves is vivisection without anesthesia, his eyeballs gouged out with the silver spoon he was born with. His 2000s Jpop Rat Bangs need to be colored a bright orange, so that people like you can hopefully snap out of your ungodly salivation for an emotionally abusive sociopath.
Abusers don't need backstories to be called out on their toxic behavior.
I'd say you Dowun backers exhibit more mob mentality than anyone else I've seen in a fandom, seeing yall refuse to breceptive to hard proof of his abusiveness but go off I guess 😀
Look up Pygmalion. This is the archetype Dowun has demonstrated all his life, trying to mold Lyon into a woman of his liking, not her own. He has discredited her opinions at every turn, giving precedence to his own selfish reasons over her well-being - or anyone's for that matter (including his brother's). He has never given a thought to her emotional health during their partnership, and now, his jealousy over her time and space is clearly showing how deeply entitled he is to sabotage the relationships she has (i.e. with Baek). When someone's actively trying to negatively affect your relationships with others without your consent, that's toxic relationship 101. If you can't see that, then no one can't help you. Google's a thing; look up symptoms of abusive relationships and you'll see Dowun fits each and every requirement, with his possessive, solipsistic antics.
um you have a warped idea of Lyon that isn't backed by proof. When has she jumped headfirst into anything recently? She seems more calculated and strategic as empress, if anything.
The only loyal dog here is you. How does Dowun's shoe taste? Like a chauvinist's asshole?
There's a lot of internalized misogyny here. Whomever a woman decides to love is her decision, especially when it's a healthy friendship that serves as a form of salvation from her current toxic relationship.
And as I've said before, you Dowun bootlickers keep discrediting Lyon's own work into her political rise. She put in the work and labor to come where she is. It wasn't all Dowun, and if anything, without her, he would have had absolutely NOTHING. Let's turn the table around - it's him who has no ounce of fucking royal blood in his cheap ass veins, it's him who couldn't have come to where he is without HER. he literally knows this - that's why he approached her in the first place, assuming she was easy pickings and manipulatable, manageable. And way to sidestep his whoel history of emotionally neglecting ,gaslighting, disparaging and being an all around self-centered prick for years just so he could improve his own station in life. There's a fine line between ambitious and abusive, and my friend, your conflation of the two isn't great. As I've said before, just because he promised to collaborate with her to ascend to the throne doesn't exonerate any of his possessive abuse. That's not how abuse and power works.
Moreover, you couldn't be wronger about Baekhan, who has done more for Lyon than Dowun ever could. He saved Lyon's life. Do you know what that means? How on earth anyone could discredit that is beyond. Baek saved her from a burning building, and without that act, there wouldn't be a story. Canonically, he's the best swordsman in the land - and more importantly, he's someone who allows Lyon to be herself, something Dowun with all his gaslighting would never allow. In fact, that Dowun despises Lyon's true self doesn't mean that Lyon is short-sighted or too emotional (wow how sexist of you to imply that btw); rather, the fact that he hates her true, unrepressed personality means he's threatened by the fact that there is a part of her that is independent from him, that exists outside of him. The very reality that he actively HATES what he cannot control in her is hard evidence any discerning reader that he's a harmful, horribly BAD influence to her.
You clearly have a lot of unlearning to do, since your post is riddled with misogyny and baseless claims about a female protagonist's characterization. Before you start spewing further hateful propaganda, I suggest you Google and research what a healthy relationship means.
Or don't. If so, I leave you with this imagery of your beloved character: imagine Dowun's decapitated head on a roasting spit, salted and spiced before being feasted upon by dogs. I certainly will before bed.
Dowun doesn't deserve a reader's sympathy. All he deserves is vivisection without anesthesia, his eyeballs gouged out with the silver spoon he was born with. His 2000s Jpop Rat Bangs need to be colored a bright orange, so that people like you can hopefully snap out of your ungodly salivation for an emotionally abusive sociopath.
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This made my morning; why so high-strung about this?
I may understand why people troll now; you're heated in ways I can't fathom, but it's kind of fun to see.
Mad props to the author though; it's amazing that we're all reading this and seeing totally different things about each character.
You keep thinking the worst of Dowun. I'll carry on seeing the worst in Lyon. Female MC can do nopermanent wrong after all, it's in the bylaws of shoujo.
That this work attempts to go gritty doesn't erase that premise of her being in the right.
ML 1 has a shred of realist behaviour in a highly political setting and here come the wolves. ML 2 ticks all the shoujo man boxes (just love, be physically strong and be kind, not much else to him), of course he's beloved.
Lord forbid a man have ambitions beyond love for that one woman beside him...
Dowun is written to be difficult, hidden intentions and veiled emotion, as most real persons are.
I'm sorry, to me, Baek seems kind of dry; kind, has no deep desires (except to... love? 🤭)
If you think for a second that Dowun's behaviour isn't based off actual successful political leaders/advisers, I weep for you.
Those are the kind of people running most countries, sadly. They affect policy, law and enforcement; hence this behaviour can be frowned upon, but it gets basic stuff done and that's the world we live in.
You talk of manipulation as if it's always a bad thing. What do you consider parenting or relationships to be, then?
Leave the child or partner open to all non-beneficial influences, activities and actions, because free will, something-or-other?
Watch them self destruct or never go as far as they could have because I wanted you to figure things out on your own?
Or would you do your utmost to help build a person better than you, with contacts, abilities and reach beyond your own?
Society - and thus people - is manipulative. Every single person is living according to some long dead or living person's dictate, planned or otherwise. The shape of your house. The road routes. The education. Your clothing fabric and styles. The food available. If not outright enforced, it is implied.
You don't have to like it. It is what pertains.
I can see your inevitable "no one gets to decide what I want for me/others"; don't worry. I understand.
You're exactly right, and so am I.
PS:
If one can recognise the signs of manipulation, excellent; knowing is half the battle. Learn to make them work for your own benefit, not barge through all in your emotions. Or plan to extricate yourself, your navel isn't buried there.
Life advice for Lyon: use caution, manipulate back. Or plan to leave. This applies to anyone who needs it too.
Adopt the deviousness, don't reject it out of hand.
Regardless, all this bile won't do much in the long run.
I'm pretty sure this manhwa will have an unsatisfying end for all of us, just like reality.
This made my morning; why so high-strung about this?
I may understand why people troll now; you're heated in ways I can't fathom, but it's kind of fun to see.
Mad props to the author though; it's amazing that we're all reading this and seeing totally different things about each character.
You keep thinking the worst of Dowun. I'll carry on seeing the worst in Lyon. Female MC can do no
That this work attempts to go gritty doesn't erase that premise of her being in the right.
ML 1 has a shred of realist behaviour in a highly political setting and here come the wolves. ML 2 ticks all the shoujo man boxes (just love, be physically strong and be kind, not much else to him), of course he's beloved.
Lord forbid a man have ambitions beyond love for that one woman beside him...
Dowun is written to be difficult, hidden intentions and veiled emotion, as most real persons are.
I'm sorry, to me, Baek seems kind of dry; kind, has no deep desires (except to... love? 🤭)
If you think for a second that Dowun's behaviour isn't based off actual successful political leaders/advisers, I weep for you.
Those are the kind of people running most countries, sadly. They affect policy, law and enforcement; hence this behaviour can be frowned upon, but it gets basic stuff done and that's the world we live in.
You talk of manipulation as if it's always a bad thing. What do you consider parenting or relationships to be, then?
Leave the child or partner open to all non-beneficial influences, activities and actions, because free will, something-or-other?
Watch them self destruct or never go as far as they could have because I wanted you to figure things out on your own?
Or would you do your utmost to help build a person better than you, with contacts, abilities and reach beyond your own?
Society - and thus people - is manipulative. Every single person is living according to some long dead or living person's dictate, planned or otherwise. The shape of your house. The road routes. The education. Your clothing fabric and styles. The food available. If not outright enforced, it is implied.
You don't have to like it. It is what pertains.
I can see your inevitable "no one gets to decide what I want for me/others"; don't worry. I understand.
You're exactly right, and so am I.
PS:
If one can recognise the signs of manipulation, excellent; knowing is half the battle. Learn to make them work for your own benefit, not barge through all in your emotions. Or plan to extricate yourself, your navel isn't buried there.
Life advice for Lyon: use caution, manipulate back. Or plan to leave. This applies to anyone who needs it too.
Adopt the deviousness, don't reject it out of hand.
Regardless, all this bile won't do much in the long run.
I'm pretty sure this manhwa will have an unsatisfying end for all of us, just like reality.
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hol up i think shes switching lanes 😳
anyways anyone else feel like baek han represents the emotional, impulsive, yet human side of hong lyon and dowun represents the rational side of her? in the end whichever guy she chooses will be the same as her choosing one side of herself over the other. over time she is being influenced by these 2 guys that represent 2 different sides of her, and she is also influencing them back (or at least influencing dowun, since he seems to be acting more emotional than he did in the past).
i feel like im one of the only people who likes all of the characters because they all bring sth different to the table, so in the end no matter which guy she ends up with i know there wont be a totally happy ending for everyone but i just hope no one gets really screwed over or i'd be really sad 😭
anyways anyone else feel like baek han represents the emotional, impulsive, yet human side of hong lyon and dowun represents the rational side of her? in the end whichever guy she chooses will be the same as her choosing one side of herself over the other. over time she is being influenced by these 2 guys that represent 2 different sides of her, and she is also influencing them back (or at least influencing dowun, since he seems to be acting more emotional than he did in the past).
i feel like im one of the only people who likes all of the characters because they all bring sth different to the table, so in the end no matter which guy she ends up with i know there wont be a totally happy ending for everyone but i just hope no one gets really screwed over or i'd be really sad 😭
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ugh i can't sand dowun's jealousy.
"boo hoo, my fiancee is showing that radiant smile she used to show when she was a child to another man", excuse me, who stomped that part of out her with his ambition and callousness???
i hope that he at least acknowledges how much he had hurt her, and how unloved he made her feel.
"boo hoo, my fiancee is showing that radiant smile she used to show when she was a child to another man", excuse me, who stomped that part of out her with his ambition and callousness???
i hope that he at least acknowledges how much he had hurt her, and how unloved he made her feel.
