The Kicked Out S-Rank Appraiser Creates the Strongest Guild - Vol. 2 Ch. 12

[Miserys_End]

I hate it when two people talk in public and everybody else doesn't react, as if the discussion happened in a whole other dimension or something.

Here, the girl from the previous guild, in tears, asking the MC: "Why did you leave?"
Her guildmaster to him, very explicitly: "We banished you."
Also, her guildmaster to her: "He is an enemy."
So, she should now know why he left, namely because her current guildmaster banished him. So, going by her apparent emotions, he is her enemy, not the MC.
But no. She just moves on with the current guildmaster as if she didn't have enough information to understand who's at fault.

So, either she actually doesn't care about the MC or she just ignored the whole conversation.
Either way, it's stupid and inconsistent.

The main issue is space and pacing. Not that the plot of this story is overly complicated, but the author has to compress the conversation into the available pages, or extend the scene into the next chapter. Nether of which this author seems capable of doing without chopping the conversation into a botched dogmeat that we just read.

On the flipside I keep reading about how there are contracts that keep people in their place. However this just feels like a paper argument. Since the MC was so well liked and basicly recruited and trained 80% or better of the active members, I wonder what a mass walkout would look like to the people who enforce those contracts. Or conversely what's to stop that same group from ousting senior asshat from the leadership position. If his true motivation was jealousy and worry the MC wanted his position, then there is no reason others couldn't replace him as well.

 

[kuzunagi13]

ugh.. man.. she sure is dumb..
asked why.. kept talking.. and didn't let him have his turn..
mc could've just talked right there by interjecting immediately..
this is not how a human with such issues/incident talk and react..
the whole thing is stupid..
and we waited for this for 3months lmao..

 

[Wyrm]

On the flipside I keep reading about how there are contracts that keep people in their place.

I mentioned that in another comment. The girl might have reasons to stay in the current guild, but at the very least she should have some reaction.

She has a weak: "What is the meaning of this?" Then she doesn't react to anything else and seems to feel no outrage at the obvious lies that her jerk employer told to both the MC and her. Just regret that the MC is not in the guild anymore, which is something he had no control over. The one at fault is the guidmaster, so I'd expect something along the lines of: "wait until I report this to the other members." A look of anger, anything. Maybe frustration at her inability to quit due to contractual obligations or something along these lines.

Instead: "see, he's the enemy." And she accepts that meekly. Though he's the one who turned his appraiser into an "enemy".

 

[Miserys_End]

I mentioned that in another comment. The girl might have reasons to stay in the current guild, but at the very least she should have some reaction.

She has a weak: "What is the meaning of this?" Then she doesn't react to anything else and seems to feel no outrage at the obvious lies that her jerk employer told to both the MC and her. Just regret that the MC is not in the guild anymore, which is something he had no control over. The one at fault is the guidmaster, so I'd expect something along the lines of: "wait until I report this to the other members." A look of anger, anything. Maybe frustration at her inability to quit due to contractual obligations or something along these lines.

Instead: "see, he's the enemy." And she accepts that meekly. Though he's the one who turned his appraiser into an "enemy".

Not arguing against the point, honestly think the person that did the manga adaptation did a pisspoor job of the dialog.

That being said I haven't read the LN/WN so don't know if the author was just shit at human interactions or if there wasn't room to fit reasonable conversation into the available pages. Either way the dialog is rather stiff and lacking in many ways.

 

[Pyras]

Jill, girl, talking or thinking really isn't your forte, huh ?
Otherwise you'd have joined his guild like 10 chapters ago.

 

[leyuen]

why isn't this getting updated?

 

[Hikage255]

Talk about a terrible time for the Manga to be dropped even if it is shit and full of copy and paste characters

 

[jlm]

Talk about a terrible time for the Manga to be dropped even if it is shit and full of copy and paste characters

I don't think it was dropped by the author, just by the translators

 

[ARealCoolGuy]

The poses of the characters are so over the top, like they're saying the most dramatic Shakespearian thing ever.

 

[hevensdragon]

I disagree. The discussion was very explicit. Which is why I hate this chapter.

She should have at least reacted to the discussion, even if she has reasons she can't just up and quit her current guild.
Instead, she reacts exactly as if the two men said nothing about MC's firing when it is obvious that the guildmaster lied to both of them.

Are you blind, just look at her fake as she is walking away, she is devastated, she does not want to walk with the guy, but he is her boss, she doesn't have a choice here. She needs to get her funds together and check her options, remember how much of a monopoly they have, she needs food on the table. She needs a new job lined up before she can quit. She needs to look for allies, she has to make sure she can stay in town and not be banned from work.

 

[Wyrm]

Are you blind, just look at her fake as she is walking away, she is devastated, she does not want to walk with the guy, but he is her boss, she doesn't have a choice here. She needs to get her funds together and check her options, remember how much of a monopoly they have, she needs food on the table. She needs a new job lined up before she can quit. She needs to look for allies, she has to make sure she can stay in town and not be banned from work.

I don't see it that way. Read a few pages back: she is devastated at the idea that they have "gone their separate ways" (MC's words). Because he is now "the enemy" (her guildmaster's words). She doesn't consider her guildmaster as a shady manipulator who kicked out the MC and lied to everyone about it. Despite him admitting as much basically to her face.

I'm pretty certain that she doesn't need "allies" or "a new job". She can very likely have that with the MC and other of her current colleagues seem like they would quit too. At worst, she needs a way to wiggle out of the abusive contract she has with her boss, but she doesn't show signs of frustration from the contract, which would better match the situation you describe, but sadness at the separation. Which, it bears repeating, she knows was entirely the choice of her boss.

 

[hevensdragon]

I don't see it that way. Read a few pages back: she is devastated at the idea that they have "gone their separate ways" (MC's words). Because he is now "the enemy" (her guildmaster's words). She doesn't consider her guildmaster as a shady manipulator who kicked out the MC and lied to everyone about it. Despite him admitting as much basically to her face.

I'm pretty certain that she doesn't need "allies" or "a new job". She can very likely have that with the MC and other of her current colleagues seem like they would quit too. At worst, she needs a way to wiggle out of the abusive contract she has with her boss, but she doesn't show signs of frustration from the contract, which would better match the situation you describe, but sadness at the separation. Which, it bears repeating, she knows was entirely the choice of her boss.

Except she doesn't know his current job, so has no way of knowing if a fighter is needed there. Nor does she know who his employers are, she just found out a lot and doesn't have all the knowledge the readers have. Making a split second choice to quit and throw away everything with no idea what her options are would be foolish. Yes she heard all that, she hasn't had even a minute to process it yet your mad at her for not making a on the spot decision, that's just unreasonable.

 

[Wyrm]

... yet your mad at her for not making a on the spot decision, that's just unreasonable.

Not my position here.
Read again.

I'm mad that her reaction doesn't match what she hears. I didn't expect her to quit on the spot, though that would have been an option.
I expected her to have some reaction towards her guildmaster when learning that he lied. To the MC, to her, to everyone in her guild. Instead, the one things she reacts to are "we've gone their separate ways" and "he is the enemy".
Heck, the "separate ways" line was about her current guild and him. He never said anything about the members of the guild individually, and he was even happy to meet her.

So she hears this whole conversation, and the whole result is... devastation. Not frustration, not outrage, not a single rebellious glance. Just devastation, as if she already resigned herself to becoming the MC's enemy just because her oh-so-trustworthy guildmaster said so.

Except she doesn't know his current job, ...

First, she knows his talent. And was probably scouted by him for the previous guild, so he probably would scout her again given the opportunity.

Second... you know... she could ask what his current job is. Solved in 5s. Which is a pretty common issue in fiction that drives me mad: problems that would be solved with less than a minute of conversation. Not even forced dialogs that make no sense in context except as meta problem-solving tool. No. Just normal conversation that people have.
"So, how are you making a living after our [insert favorite swearword] lying guildmaster kicked you out?
- Oh, you know, scouting talented people to build my own new amazing guild. You in?"

As (also) stated before, she likely has a contract that she can't easily get out of, but that's a different question to solve. The problem at present is the fact that she didn't react at all. Didn't even show any more interest in the guy's life after her guildmaster gaslit her with "he's the enemy". This feels forced and unnatural.

 

[hevensdragon]

Not my position here.
Read again.

I'm mad that her reaction doesn't match what she hears. I didn't expect her to quit on the spot, though that would have been an option.
I expected her to have some reaction towards her guildmaster when learning that he lied. To the MC, to her, to everyone in her guild. Instead, the one things she reacts to are "we've gone their separate ways" and "he is the enemy".
Heck, the "separate ways" line was about her current guild and him. He never said anything about the members of the guild individually, and he was even happy to meet her.

So she hears this whole conversation, and the whole result is... devastation. Not frustration, not outrage, not a single rebellious glance. Just devastation, as if she already resigned herself to becoming the MC's enemy just because her oh-so-trustworthy guildmaster said so.


First, she knows his talent. And was probably scouted by him for the previous guild, so he probably would scout her again given the opportunity.

Second... you know... she could ask what his current job is. Solved in 5s. Which is a pretty common issue in fiction that drives me mad: problems that would be solved with less than a minute of conversation. Not even forced dialogs that make no sense in context except as meta problem-solving tool. No. Just normal conversation that people have.
"So, how are you making a living after our [insert favorite swearword] lying guildmaster kicked you out?
- Oh, you know, scouting talented people to build my own new amazing guild. You in?"

As (also) stated before, she likely has a contract that she can't easily get out of, but that's a different question to solve. The problem at present is the fact that she didn't react at all. Didn't even show any more interest in the guy's life after her guildmaster gaslit her with "he's the enemy". This feels forced and unnatural.

People don't react perfectly and optimally princess. When suddenly everything you know is turned on its head we can't just instantly take the best option. Get out and get some actual life experience. She in no way showed she is happy with or accepting what happened, she got physically directed away.
Also as you clearly don't understand, in order for him to scout her, he needs to work in a field that can make use of her talents.

 

[Wyrm]

She in no way showed she is happy with or accepting what happened, ...

Once again, you put words in my mouth that I never said. Closest thing I said was "resigned", and that was not about what happened (because she didn't react to what happened at all) but to what her guildmaster said (the BS line that "he is the enemy" which she knows is a lie... or would if she had a memory better than that of a goldfish).

And since you insist on "mistaking" my words, I'll end it here.
Conversation can't happen when one side doesn't listen.
(Also, I already addressed the other points here, minus the implied insults.)

So I'll bid you a good day here. Or night, for all I know.

 

[hevensdragon]

Once again, you put words in my mouth that I never said. Closest thing I said was "resigned", and that was not about what happened (because she didn't react to what happened at all) but to what her guildmaster said (the BS line that "he is the enemy" which she knows is a lie... or would if she had a memory better than that of a goldfish).

And since you insist on "mistaking" my words, I'll end it here.
Conversation can't happen when one side doesn't listen.
(Also, I already addressed the other points here, minus the implied insults.)

So I'll bid you a good day here. Or night, for all I know.

"I'm mad that her reaction"

"She should have at least reacted to the discussion"

"She doesn't consider her guildmaster as a shady"

"I expected her to have some reaction towards her guildmaster"

Now your just lying. At least go edit it out of your posts or somthing if your going to pretend you didn't say somthing.