@doomskull Uh, you're acting like modernized versions of those civilizations aren't around nowadays. They are. And let me just say this, historically straight marriages in noble houses have done more harm than good. Porphyria anyone?
What I fucking meant, dumbass, is that similar practices have been around for centuries and that those cultures haven't died. The survival of a culture/peoples have no correlation with the existence of homosexuality.
Think about it this way: homosexual relations were frowned upon then and perceived as less important than heterosexual relationships, while child marriage was smiled upon. Bestiality has been frowned upon by many fucking cultures, so don't you dare strawman me with bestiality. Now pedophilia is frowned upon, while homosexual relationships are increasingly accepted. This change in dynamics doesn't really fit your narrative, does it? Because these practices existed in all realities, social tolerance for these practices changed. On another note, since in our reality and current time period, homosexuality has become a more widely accepted practice so we can conclude that anti-LGBT stances are in fact bigoted.
I'd also like to cite that religions are often attributed to as sources for the dissolution of civilizations. Religions are known for their anti-LGBT stance, but my point here is that religion, political economy, and the economy are more strongly tied to the dissolution of civilizations than who people like fucking. Okay, Helen of Troy was most likely an excuse for the invasion of Troy rather than the direct cause.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09557570701574022
https://books.google.com/books?id=hLxDnAMaUgQC&dq=religion+war&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s
https://books.google.com/books?id=BS1UFlXVB1sC&dq=religion+war&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s
more positive stuff about religion in case I hurt your feelings: https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:4e10abb5-77f4-4db2-aced-bcac5bd74bf2/download_file?file_format=pdf&safe_filename=AGregory_HWP_complete.pdf&type_of_work=Working+paper
People correlate pedophilia and zoophilia to homosexuality so they can have a valid excuse to call it disgusting, so THEIR fantasy that straight relationships are morally superior won't be disrupted. Sorry if you can't read what I link below, my school pays for these sites uwu, I don't feel like arguing anymore so if you really want to debate this, I suggest you email some authors instead.
https://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/227554
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224498909551494?src=recsys
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v10n01_07
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v34n01_05?src=recsys
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=2myFAgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=why+empires+fall&ots=sERzk5IRmD&sig=pVnnBesQixFa3f2a0tghAyJbFjo#v=onepage&q=why%20empires%20fall&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Wjnii_d7UYEC&oi=fnd&pg=PT11&dq=why+empires+fall&ots=Voipfga2-p&sig=rcxAf8N4uuROk7pBOAbCHg4fLTI#v=onepage&q=why%20empires%20fall&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Yrc7BGHGJIAC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=why+empires+fall&ots=Xw4n5Br2_A&sig=r6PfJLJc9nE_BS24EV1bE_QsGp0#v=onepage&q=why%20empires%20fall&f=false
I'm the real clown for arguing on here, because the CD is too strong 🤡
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