The One Within the Villainess - Ch. 25 - The One Who Passes Through This Gate

[AnotherDuck]

EDIT: Ok... one person two three four people so far seems to think that someone who goes to a bar and ends up drugged and raped deserves to be dumped, destroyed and ridiculed

Actually, the only reason I hit a strike on you is because you're strawmanning and vilifying people who give you negative reactions and claiming they believe the absolute worst interpretation you can think of, regardless of how they actually interpret the situation in the manga. And then you keep up with your incompetent arguments just to justify your belief.

If you behave like an asshole, don't be surprised people treat you as one.

 

[masterhandss]

I feel bad for the Remilia's first fiance lol... Getting brainwashed only to watch your actual love being taken away.

I can both agree and disagree with this perspective as a manga-only. Lots of comments are rightfully defending Will's downfall with the fact that the love potion doesn't take away his autonomy and he still hurt Remi of his own free will like it's the most obvious thing, but knowing that he was in love with Remi the whole time even while he's affected by the potion does make some of his dialogue in the previous manga chapters look out of character to the point where it can be attributed to mind control (like shit-talking Remi for being an petty woman who shouldn't be a Queen), unless we justify it as him mischaracterizes her to satisfy is pride-filled delusion. The light novel readers in the comments insist that it's all his own decisions regardless of the Love Potion, and I can't disagree because that's what's in the text, but I can see where the doubt is coming from when reading just the manga.

That's not to say that the manga doesn't make it obvious that Will sided with Pina to hurt Remilia, not because of the Love Potion but of his own free will. The story does convey that Will did it to kick down Remi so that she can come begging for his forgiveness and affection, just to satisfy is pride (mentions of his inferiority complex, Remilia's reputation as a brilliant woman who will not be shackled down by the title of queen, the King admitting that the end of their engagement wasn't part of the plan, how the Love Potion works, how he expected her to come back to him since "she loved him"). My understanding while reading the manga is that Will, despite not actually being in love with Pina but very fond of her due to the effects of the love potion, decides to humor Pina to hurt Remilia and make her feel inferior, jealous, or ruin her reputation in high society in order to make himself feel or look better.

 

[Llangion]

LETS GO!!!

 

[Kriosfear]

EDIT: Ok... one person two three four five people so far seems to think that someone who goes to a bar and ends up drugged and raped deserves to be dumped, destroyed and ridiculed

No, people disagree with you because you're trying to frame your headcanon as truth, when the story itself explicitly says otherwise. Hell, the stepbrother saw the love potion's effects from a mile away, and let it all happen anyway because he saw Will betraying Remi as a chance for him to swoop in and monopolize her. There are multiple extra chapters that go in-depth on how each love interest betrayed Remilia on their own terms.

Many people in this thread have been trying to tell you this, but you don't listen. You won't admit that you're wrong, you just continue to double down on this stupid false equivalence of yours.

Nobody cares if you only have the manga to go off of. If you don't know better, stop pretending like you do. People who have read the source material are telling you you're wrong, and your immediate response is to plug your ears and say that everyone who disagrees with you advocates drugging and rape.

Quit it with the moral grandstanding. You're not fighting for anyone's rights. Nobody cares to sympathize with these characters because they don't exist.

 

[fuuka_adachi]

EDIT: Ok... one person two three four five six people so far seems to think that someone who goes to a bar and ends up drugged and raped deserves to be dumped, destroyed and ridiculed

This is your own interpretion of things, your words which are said by you, so I don't know why you are counting yourself as six people, but okay.

Just a reminder, this is not a story about Emi getting back to her fiance or to forgive them, or a story to make everyone happy. This is a story about Remilia, who is trying to get revenge on the people who pushed her beloved Emi to the pit of despair, that Emi's consciousness was detached from the body

Spoiler

and she never came back to that body anymore, so in a way, they killed her mentally that her soul departed from the body. Only with the help of the spirits that Remilia can find her again, and even at that time, she was badly hurt that's she does not want to remember a thing.

. The damage was done and can never be reverted. Remilia is here, not Emi, so regardless of manga or novel, it's a fact that Will himself destroyed his own relationship. Will already lost Emi - his Remi, his childhood friend and also the cheat-supporter who made him grow more than he was in the original game. He removed his own advantages, so with his limited abilities, it's normal that someone as deep as the first prince to win over him in the race to be king.

If you think that Will is dumped, then you are 100% wrong. No, he dumped Emi, and she is gone. Remilia is not Emi, and if you sympathize with the people who pushed Emi to despair, think about Emi first. Not every mistake can be fixed. That's a thing I like about this story - in real life, if your partner hurts you and push you to despair, you should end the relationship and move on. If you like stories where MC go back to their old toxic partner, then I believe there are plenty others that would give you that.

 

[WereMuppet]

No, people disagree with you because you're trying to frame your headcanon as truth, when the story itself explicitly says otherwise. Hell, the stepbrother saw the love potion's effects from a mile away, and let it all happen anyway because he saw Will betraying Remi as a chance for him to swoop in and monopolize her. There are multiple extra chapters that go in-depth on how each love interest betrayed Remilia on their own terms.

Many people in this thread have been trying to tell you this, but you don't listen. You won't admit that you're wrong, you just continue to double down on this stupid false equivalence of yours.

Nobody cares if you only have the manga to go off of. If you don't know better, stop pretending like you do. People who have read the source material are telling you you're wrong, and your immediate response is to plug your ears and say that everyone who disagrees with you advocates drugging and rape.

Quit it with the moral grandstanding. You're not fighting for anyone's rights. Nobody cares to sympathize with these characters because they don't exist.

You don't get it, IDGAF if the "source" has more stories, information, the manga portrays things a certain way that appaerently differs from how it is portrayed in the "source" and you "source" readers then interpret it in a way that it isn't portrayed in the manga, I keep saying that what you are saying is not how the manga portrays it and you ******s keep objecting with "but in the xxx it says this" which has ZERO bearing on the issue (except for the tainted view you have, adding information to events and characters that AREN'T portrayed in the manga)

Time for another comparison that will fly over your head like a rocket heading for mars
If you're shown a painting of a house with a nice smiling family in front of it and say "That's a nice painting of a smiling family infront of a house" and someone comes up to you and calls you stupid because "In the book the painting was based, on there was lots of bodies in that house because the family were murderers", would you just roll over and say "Yeah, ok, I'm stupid" or would you say "That's not what the painting is showing"? If it's the latter, you're a sane person, if it's the former, you're you (appaerently).

 

[AnotherMMD]

You don't get it, IDGAF if the "source" has more stories, information, the manga portrays things a certain way that appaerently differs from how it is portrayed in the "source" and you "source" readers then interpret it in a way that it isn't portrayed in the manga, I keep saying that what you are saying is not how the manga portrays it and you ******s keep objecting with "but in the xxx it says this" which has ZERO bearing on the issue (except for the tainted view you have, adding information to events and characters that AREN'T portrayed in the manga)

Time for another comparison that will fly over your head like a rocket heading for mars
If you're shown a painting of a house with a nice smiling family in front of it and say "That's a nice painting of a smiling family infront of a house" and someone comes up to you and calls you stupid because "In the book the painting was based, on there was lots of bodies in that house because the family were murderers", would you just roll over and say "Yeah, ok, I'm stupid" or would you say "That's not what the painting is showing"? If it's the latter, you're a sane person, if it's the former, you're you (appaerently).

The Manga also mentions that isnt brainwash, in chapter 3: "whilist those items did have the ability to create affection out of thin air, they didnt have the ability to brainwash or make the targets lose their minds"

 

[WereMuppet]

The Manga also mentions that isnt brainwash, in chapter 3: "whilist those items did have the ability to create affection out of thin air, they didnt have the ability to brainwash or make the targets lose their minds"

Wrong chapter translation, which means wrong forum thread, that's the other chapter 3 translation, which is not the one I had read.

 

[Kriosfear]

You don't get it, IDGAF if the "source" has more stories, information, the manga portrays things a certain way that appaerently differs from how it is portrayed in the "source" and you "source" readers then interpret it in a way that it isn't portrayed in the manga, I keep saying that what you are saying is not how the manga portrays it and you ******s keep objecting with "but in the xxx it says this" which has ZERO bearing on the issue (except for the tainted view you have, adding information to events and characters that AREN'T portrayed in the manga)

Time for another comparison that will fly over your head like a rocket heading for mars
If you're shown a painting of a house with a nice smiling family in front of it and say "That's a nice painting of a smiling family infront of a house" and someone comes up to you and calls you stupid because "In the book the painting was based, on there was lots of bodies in that house because the family were murderers", would you just roll over and say "Yeah, ok, I'm stupid" or would you say "That's not what the painting is showing"? If it's the latter, you're a sane person, if it's the former, you're you (appaerently).

Except the painting in this case is a manga, and it's explicitly saying "These guys did everything of their own volition, and the only thing that perfume did was make them like someone they otherwise wouldn't, not seemingly hate someone enough to forge evidence and accuse them of a crime they didn't commit."

You're saying the manga says otherwise, but it doesn't. You're the one pushing your own interpretation of the art on everyone else. You're the disingenuous one here. Angel and Remilia already said that the kingdom and its four idiots weren't brainwashed into framing Remilia, they were just made to like Pina. Are you saying that's enough for them to conspire against her and ruin her life? Because the manga itself disagrees.

Your initial argument is that they're not responsible for their own actions, except they are. The manga says they are. The WN says it too and gives a more complete explanation for it; that's why I even mentioned it. It isn't being brought up to replace the manga, but to further support what the manga was already telling you.

We are the ones who have no problems seeing the "painting" and calling it what it is. Nobody here agrees with you—not the author, not the story, not the characters, not us. Stop lashing out at everyone else just because you're wrong.

 

[WereMuppet]

Except the painting in this case is a manga, and it's explicitly saying "These guys did everything of their own volition, and the only thing that perfume did was make them like someone they otherwise wouldn't, not seemingly hate someone enough to forge evidence and accuse them of a crime they didn't commit."

You're saying the manga says otherwise, but it doesn't. You're the one pushing your own interpretation of the art on everyone else. You're the disingenuous one here. Angel and Remilia already said that the kingdom and its four idiots weren't brainwashed into framing Remilia, they were just made to like Pina. Are you saying that's enough for them to conspire against her and ruin her life? Because the manga itself disagrees.

Your initial argument is that they're not responsible for their own actions, except they are. The manga says they are. The WN says it too and gives a more complete explanation for it; that's why I even mentioned it. It isn't being brought up to replace the manga, but to further support what the manga was already telling you.

We are the ones who have no problems seeing the "painting" and calling it what it is. Nobody here agrees with you—not the author, not the story, not the characters, not us. Stop lashing out at everyone else just because you're wrong.

Sigh, stay of the ganja man, you're hallucinating, I've never said that the guys forged any evidence, Pina forged a whole lot of evidence, tricked witnesses, staged events and spread rumours and the manga doesn't even hint at the guys knowing that the evidence, witnesses and events are falsified (the manga supports this).

I'm not bothering to respond to the rest since I've covered it multiple times and/or your interpretation of characters and events in the manga is tainted by your foreknowledge from other sources since it differs from the manga.

 

[Kriosfear]

I've never said that the guys forged any evidence

Except I never said you did. I said the manga did. They didn't need to directly do it either. They didn't properly verify anything, and they actively set the stage for the accusations/condemnation. They banished the kingdom's greatest asset over an inferiority complex. They are incompetent and malicious, and in no way victims. The same way love perfumes are not comparable to alcoholic beverages, and the message of a 25+ chapter manga is nowhere near as vague as a painting's.

I'm not bothering to respond to the rest since I've covered it multiple times and/or your interpretation of characters and events in the manga is tainted by your foreknowledge from other sources since it differs from the manga.

No, it doesn't. The only thing that differs from the manga so far is Angel confessing to Remilia in the middle of the party. The reason you're not bothering anymore is because you're wrong, and you simply can't admit it. Please get over yourself.

I'm not responding either after this, because your ego clearly isn't letting you budge. I hope you figure it out.

 

[AnotherMMD]

Wrong chapter translation, which means wrong forum thread, that's the other chapter 3 translation, which is not the one I had read.

1. How can you be sure the translation you saw was the correct one? Did you read the OG panel in jp, or simply it backed you half passed theory?

Now, even if you posted a statement in of the Bubble speech in jp, the is no way to confirm it unless the source site show the chapter in japanese, which currently is the one chapter that is offline

2. Source that back your claim, because everyplace that I go I find only one translator which is the one you claim to be wrong

 

[WereMuppet]

1. How can you be sure the translation you saw was the correct one? Did you read the OG panel in jp, or simply it backed you half passed theory?

Now, even if you posted a statement in of the Bubble speech in jp, the is no way to confirm it unless the source site show the chapter in japanese, which currently is the one chapter that is offline

2. Source that back your claim, because everyplace that I go I find only one translator which is the one you claim to be wrong

Not saying that the translation is wrong, I'm saying that it's not the Baddies asylum translation, which is the translation I've read and also the translator of the chapter of this thread.

 

[Dragou]

1. How can you be sure the translation you saw was the correct one? Did you read the OG panel in jp, or simply it backed you half passed theory?

Now, even if you posted a statement in of the Bubble speech in jp, the is no way to confirm it unless the source site show the chapter in japanese, which currently is the one chapter that is offline

2. Source that back your claim, because everyplace that I go I find only one translator which is the one you claim to be wrong

ok his last answer is non-sensical because he either doesnt understand that he still denies the translation we cite and is currently the only avialable
or he is a troll
in both cases its pointless and should just ignore that guy, who is either just disrupting the comment section and spreading unneeded trouble and negativity,so best course of action is ignore and block

 

[WereMuppet]

ok his last answer is non-sensical because he either doesnt understand that he still denies the translation we cite and is currently the only avialable
or he is a troll
in both cases its pointless and should just ignore that guy, who is either just disrupting the comment section and spreading unneeded trouble and negativity,so best course of action is ignore and block

Nice of you to chime in with false information, glad to have you here.
This is Baddies asylym translation of chapter 3, which is the only translation I've read.
This is the chapter 3 translation they cited from No group, which has a different translation that I hadn't read.

If there's only 1 translation, how can there be 2 chapter 3's, and if Baddies Asylums translation doesn't exist, how can you comment on it and how can I link it?

Both of those exist on the The One Within the Villainess page (On this very site) but Baddies Asylym is the only group that has a translation of all the chapters (including this one, that you are commenting on) which is why I read that one and thus based my opinion and interpretation on that translation (since it would be pretty darn impossible to base it on something I haven't read, like a WN, LN, or another translation).


I hope that this now is clear enough so that even you can understand (probably not)

 

[Kriosfear]

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Even if it could instill false affection in them, it allows them to control their decisions, and does not make them lose sight of how they really feel. Those scumbags truly felt real pleasure upon seeing Emi hurt.

Yeah, okay, I'm stupid. My understanding of the characters is tainted by the web novel. I change my mind, these four are victims. Why couldn't I just see the painting for what it is?

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I'm relieved to know that this disgusting smirk is just an effect of brainwashing.

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Wait what? I'm hallucinating again! Too much ganja and source material! Fortunately, we can screencap hallucinations now. Feel free to ignore this—it's just my tainted view of the story. After all, the manga never made it clear whether or not they had agency over their malicious acts.

 

[aryavan32]

Thank god this isnt a sit-down party or else remilia wouldn't have been able to sit anywhere, like those celebrities on the red carpet

 

[NiceGhost]

I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait I Can't Wait

I'm a little excited. Just a bit.

 

[oui_je_danse]

The boys were harbouring their insecurities, envy, spite and possessiveness before they ever met Pina. Individually they wouldn't act because they had to keep up appearances.

The real consequence of the potion is that it brought them together. They "liked" Pina enough to humour her actions. Letting her act showed them a weakness to exploit an opportunity to act on their desires towards R/Emi.

Had things developed without Pina's involvement those negative thoughts and emotions would have continued to build and they'd have eventually acted on them in a different manner.

Imagine if Pina never came along, the prince married R/Emi and then eventually became king. He's now in the highest level of power and nobody hold authority over him any more, There's nobody for him to fear and nobody to hold him back. Do you think the little shit would still be pretending by then?
He's probably end up faking some other charge against her to bring her down, imprison her and have the world think she's dead while he has her locked away as his personal toy.



The problem here is you're applying a non existent set of rules from some other story to this one to justify your take.
This isn't us thinking something about charm potions in these stories in general but how it has been explicitly stated to work in this story.


One of the boys was completely unaffected by the potion, knew she was using it and still went along with the plan.
Your analogy with addiction does not fit the situation in any way at all. The potion wasn't addictive, it didn't change them beyond increasing how much they liked the girl.

If you weren't here making these points I think I might have an actual stroke.

I reread the entire story every couple updates and keep a light eye out for other people's conclusions I myself didn't draw. The take you're pushing back on is the most pervasive that isn't supported by the text.* People will truly die on any hill to pity insecure, dirtbag dudes.

*People erroneously calling this NTR/cucking are catching up FAST, though.

 

[Rafalga]

Damn, there is always that ONE guy in every drama manga arguing their headcannon against the established story like its a fact. And they ALWAYS triple down lol