To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Vol. 20 Ch. 158.2 - Predicament

[DLRevan]

When has inventing stuff the moment its needed ever been good writing
Stop playing the clown

That's all you had to say? You mean you think it's a deus ex machina lol. Given your previous answers I highly doubt you understand why that's bad writing.

It's only a contrived solution if it breaks the rules of the world, appears last minute, has no setup and/or is too conveniently suited to the situation.

In this case it's none of those things. Extra-sensory/physical conversion has been a thing for over a decade in this series. It's not last minute, it's being bloody setup up now before the finale. There is a freaking setup, else why would Sha even need to become the Queen/Majesty, instead of just being a Clique leader? And it certainly has the promised impact...just as any number of combinations of level 3 and 4 powers can. The details of these 2 newly introduced powers aren't even that important. The author could have come up with any number of ideas. Hardly convenient or 'cheap', so there is no cop out here that makes a deus ex machina. Inventing things is otherwise literally how you...progress the plot?

Still waiting for your explanation of Sha's powers. Do enlighten. This one ought to be good, seeing how many times multiple people have talked and explained about in in this very thread. If I'm the clown, then I'm playing jester to the emperor with no clothes here. You're not half as astute as you think.

 

[1234muse]

I wonder if Sha is planning to kill herself as her last deed, like many one-act terrorists do. Not that she would have only had a single act, but you could say everything she has been doing so far is a part of a single project. She doesn't really seem like the type to flee to some underdeveloped, lawless country to avoid responsibility.

Considering what she mentioned, and I believe that her motive is hating the school, she’s going to be a target as well

 

[dghirsh]

Are you an MCU fan by chance
The very basics of decent writing seem to confuse you
You apparently dont even remember how panda girls ability works

You lost the debate, don’t have the mental capacity to accept new information, and resort to name calling… you by and large fit the definition of an idiot.

I agreed with your initial comment in ways, as those truly are some extremely specific, convenient powers, but then again Majesties are special, and we’ve met many characters in this franchise with extremely unique abilitiee…

I really enjoyed this thread, DLRevan gave me some fantastic food for thought on ESP vs Magic, but you are insufferable.

 

[Kampfarsch]

You lost the debate, don’t have the mental capacity to accept new information, and resort to name calling… you by and large fit the definition of an idiot.

I agreed with your initial comment in ways, as those truly are some extremely specific, convenient powers, but then again Majesties are special, and we’ve met many characters in this franchise with extremely unique abilitiee…

I really enjoyed this thread, DLRevan gave me some fantastic food for thought on ESP vs Magic, but you are insufferable.

lol.

 

[KamatsileKEI]

really? That's kinda stupid ngl, since she literally made a perfect copy of dinosaurs that can walk and make noise (even though they only lasted for a few seconds), so why would they think that she can't create copies of espers too?

copying a dinosaur and copying an esper power is an entirely different level. At least from this series' lore.

Either Sha is hiding her full capabilities in the public or she never went through further examination for the scientists to know how much her power grew. Both are possible tho, considering it was shown that she was training secretly to be able to merge two esper powers

And its not that surprising that the AC scientists does not know the extent of an esper's power even when the weilder knows it. Sogiita (7th level 5) himself doesn't even know how his esper power works but it doesn't stop him from doing insane feats, and no one knows how he can even do it.

 

[zokoi19]

copying a dinosaur and copying an esper power is an entirely different level. At least from this series' lore.

Either Sha is hiding her full capabilities in the public or she never went through further examination for the scientists to know how much her power grew. Both are possible tho, considering it was shown that she was training secretly to be able to merge two esper powers

And its not that surprising that the AC scientists does not know the extent of an esper's power even when the weilder knows it. Sogiita (7th level 5) himself doesn't even know how his esper power works but it doesn't stop him from doing insane feats, and no one knows how he can even do it.

Sogiita is a Gemstone, and they're the true original supernatural power-wielders, it's understandable for them to not understand how his power works.

anw, it has been consistently shown that Academy City scientists are really (insanely) passionate about learning/researching esper powers and will do unspeakable things in the name of science. An ability that can create a replica of something that lived million of years ago definitely seems interesting and powerful enough to research further(*), so for her to be able to hide her full power sounds like bullshit.

(*): you don't even need to think too much, just ask some questions like "since she can replicate animals, what about human?" -> "if she can copy human, can she copy espers?" -> "if she can copy espers, can those espers use their powers?". Those are super simple questions that anyone who's curious about her powers can immediately think of tbh

 

[KamatsileKEI]

Sogiita is a Gemstone, and they're the true original supernatural power-wielders, it's understandable for them to not understand how his power works.

anw, it has been consistently shown that Academy City scientists are really (insanely) passionate about learning/researching esper powers and will do unspeakable things in the name of science. An ability that can create a replica of something that lived million of years ago definitely seems interesting and powerful enough to research further(*), so for her to be able to hide her full power sounds like bullshit.

(*): you don't even need to think too much, just ask some questions like "since she can replicate animals, what about human?" -> "if she can copy human, can she copy espers?" -> "if she can copy espers, can those espers use their powers?". Those are super simple questions that anyone who's curious about her powers can immediately think of tbh

I mean sure, most scientists in AC are crazy but I don't think they can just disclose it to the public what are the extents of someone's ability without their consent.

Being an esper in AC means they are also test subjects for the scientists and at the same time they have the right to keep their tests and examinations in private without disclosing it to authorities even if needed.

Its even more true if they knew that Sha has the power to copy an esper ability. There is no way the scientists of AC can just rat out a valuable test subject like her to authorities.

Just for another example: Touma was considered a level 0 esper by his school and any normal scientists in AC. But the Kiharas (and I think all of them) knows about his power of nullifying any supernatural phenomenon, and also knew that it was beyond science

 

[zokoi19]

I mean sure, most scientists in AC are crazy but I don't think they can just disclose it to the public what are the extents of someone's ability without their consent.

brother, their abilities are all archived in the system, and even Judgement could access that archive to search for criminals. Their abilities are not entirely public knowledge, but it's 100% available for law-enforcers.

Its even more true if they knew that Sha has the power to copy an esper ability. There is no way the scientists of AC can just rat out a valuable test subject like her to authorities.

There are many more valuable ability yet they still report them all bro.

Exhibit A: Misaki's ability is absolutely insane, and they could have used her to control literally every powerful leaders in the world and do whatever the fuck they want, but they still report her power to the system (and now basically everyone knows what her power does), so I don't think your arguments hold much logic there.

 

[KamatsileKEI]

brother, their abilities are all archived in the system, and even Judgement could access that archive to search for criminals. Their abilities are not entirely public knowledge, but it's 100% available for law-enforcers.


There are many more valuable ability yet they still report them all bro.

Exhibit A: Misaki's ability is absolutely insane, and they could have used her to control literally every powerful leaders in the world and do whatever the fuck they want, but they still report her power to the system (and now basically everyone knows what her power does), so I don't think your arguments hold much logic there.

Misaki's, and some of the other level 5s' ability are well recorded because they are the most prioritized test subjects of the Academy City. Of course the scientists of AC would make their information about their abilities out in the public because it will serve as deterrant to make sure that no one will try to invade AC recklessly.

And sure, most espers' ability are accessible to law enforcers. But a power to pseudo-copy another ability like Sha's is not something that Alleister (or any higher up from the Windowless building) would allow any normal Anti-skill or even Judgment to know about. They will either eliminate her or just outright hide that information about her ability in the databanks then offer her a position as a director.

Remember that they almost tried to kill Takitsubo because she has the potential to make AC obsolete once she reached Level 5 where she can just make everyone a Level 5 if she wants to. But the only thing that the law enforcers knew about her ability was her tracking espers' AIM, not even Mugino knew that Takitsubo can reach level 5, at best she knew that she can "hijack" someone's power if she tried really hard.

And all of this is just for the case IF the scientists did knew about Sha's ability. Your previous comment is just implying that those scientists will come into conclusion that she can copy other esper's power just from the fact that she can revive a dinosaur using fossils. Those are just hypothesis, and its useless if they cannot prove or record that she can do it. You know she can just NOT show her ability to create a whole human being with an esper power when the scientists are running tests on her. The fact that she went out of her way to secretly train in the forest to try and use two esper abilities means that she is not showing the full extent of her power, not even to the scientists.

The Parameter List would still show everything she has the potential to do up until she reached the highest level she can attain, so you were kinda right that they do have it on record. But the mere fact that AC would make the Parameter List hidden to public means that they can choose whether to hide someone's full ability or not. Heck, most teachers of AC encourage the students to work their way upto Level 5 but they don't know that once a student enter AC their full potential was already settled.