Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu - Vol. 12 Ch. 79 - Kuzunoha the Third

[Pallington]

I'm being a realist. There will always be classes, and making socialism to be the answer to this question is regtarded, as socialism doesn't even end the classes. It just replaces the elites.

Your type are really good at misconstruing meanings. Refer to the previous sentence for why your argument is hollow. Please go to North Korea to live your socialist dreams.

Are you bombs literal or do you mean figuratively? If literal, then the commoners always take the brunt force of any attack. It's been this way ever since we had civilization. And that's because commoners are the majority of the population. In modern times however the elites have more opportunities and means to not be harmed.

Their lifestyle is still primitive, as their food source is not guaranteed. Again, with the removing classes thing.

You seem to be conflating culture with human nature. Human nature is the integral part of being a human. Humans will do anything to get food when pushed to starvation, even cannibalism. But there used to be tribes who had cannibalistic rituals as part of their culture. The former is human nature, the second is culture. When there's a tribe, there are always tribal leaders. It may be a tribal chieftain or a group of tribal elders. For there to be order, there must be a hierarchy. Thus from this hierarchy can the upper class be born, be it in priesthood or nobility.

oh and here's an interesting question
Under Gaddafi, (when the multi-level government was established, specifically), who were the elites in Libya? Honest question. Please bring sources along with your answer.

 

[Pallington]

I'm being a realist. There will always be classes, and making socialism to be the answer to this question is regtarded, as socialism doesn't even end the classes. It just replaces the elites.

Your type are really good at misconstruing meanings. Refer to the previous sentence for why your argument is hollow. Please go to North Korea to live your socialist dreams.

Are you bombs literal or do you mean figuratively? If literal, then the commoners always take the brunt force of any attack. It's been this way ever since we had civilization. And that's because commoners are the majority of the population. In modern times however the elites have more opportunities and means to not be harmed.

Their lifestyle is still primitive, as their food source is not guaranteed. Again, with the removing classes thing.

You seem to be conflating culture with human nature. Human nature is the integral part of being a human. Humans will do anything to get food when pushed to starvation, even cannibalism. But there used to be tribes who had cannibalistic rituals as part of their culture. The former is human nature, the second is culture. When there's a tribe, there are always tribal leaders. It may be a tribal chieftain or a group of tribal elders. For there to be order, there must be a hierarchy. Thus from this hierarchy can the upper class be born, be it in priesthood or nobility.

food is not guaranteed

this is still bullshit by the way, farming is still super fucking far from guaranteed, just more scaleable. the ridiculous number of chinese famines, from flood and drought and pestilence and simple shit weather, say hi. not to mention with land absorption/concentration, for the majority of peasants even with decent harvests food wasn't guaranteed, so there's that. (grain silos, anyone? national emergency food reserves?)

there will always be classes

you say this, but while the variety of classes has changed and to a degree grown (not so much if you consider the hindu* caste system, or say india under the british raj), the layers, and interpenetration of classes, has changed dramatically, and can continue to change dramatically.
You see that there are trees and say "there will always be trees," oblivious to the changes within each grove, within the mountain and the streams, within the distributions and borders.
You say some trees will always be higher, and fail to notice that the height difference in some groves has gone up in recent decades, only to start sharply dropping again in the most recent years. (not to mention the between group-scatter has in some cases dropped drastically)

So yeah. You are a doomer. Because your framework is literally one dimensional (single bit binary, even). It's not because you say "humans need to breathe," it's because you say "humans have invented nukes, therefore we're guaranteed to die in nuclear hellfire. (because people in the past have never shied away from using the most destructive weapons at their disposal)"

(as an aside, humans need to breathe, but different humans literally don't need to breathe the same amount, now that you mention it. almost like... and hear me out, we can, if not totally eliminate class, at the very least organize class struggle and society as a whole to reach a minimum-hierarchy end result, which may end up being close enough to 0, or in other words, 'effectively classless'!)

 

[FKW_ll]

"being a realist"
and you say i misconstrue meanings

"north korea"
literally nobody, not even north korea, has implied they have finished developing socialism, let alone actually started developing communism. not even socialism admits the total elimination of hierarchy or class, simply the flattening, organization, and optimization of class along the line of "to each in accordance to their work," in other words, a hierarchy actually based on socially useful work.

"bombs literal" it's not a matter of commoners vs elites, because otherwise the "elites" in palestine are the people who have very little to do with palestine. A large portion of israelis, far more than simply "the elite," have expressed a desire to see palestinians bombed. Or we can go back to Korea, during the korean war, there was still major US citizen support for the US to intervene in and stop the "evil commies." Do you purport to say that the entire majority of US citizens are all "elite"?

"culture with human nature"
and you say i misconstrue meanings. Culture is the development of human nature. People will do anything, even cannibalism... except thousands of people died during the Long March of hunger or of exhaustion (or both!) and yet, others, feeling the exact same hunger and seeing people LITERALLY DIE NEXT TO THEM, continued marching. Human "nature" not nearly as well defined as you purport. Palestinians are literally starving in gaza, and yet the zionists, for all their fucking propaganda, for all their labeling of palestinians as "human animals," have yet to find evidence of cannibalism. Instead, we have mass graves, discovered right next to their hospitals. Why bury the dead, when, as you say, they could turn to cannibalism?

Realist my fat fucking ass, LMAO

Got banned for this discussion, no longer going to continue. Good day!

 

[HDMI1]

So after reading this again it looks like Lisa is a Dominatrix and both her husband and Morris are her Subs. She's trained them to the point that Morris switches from Butler to Sub-speak at the drop of a glare, and Patrick starts to get aroused at her death stare.