Tsuru Tsuru to Zara Zara no Aida - Vol. 4 Ch. 46 - Me, Waking Up

[gormadoc]

@Nolonar
If you click on his username and then on the angry face you'll never have to read anything from him again.

 

[That-Guy]

@abdude13
I didn’t know this was nearing its end ‘till after I posted that comment. I agree it is disappointing. And honestly, I wouldn’t mind if they got together by the end or beyond that.

I don’t expect Aoi to suddenly love Takayashiki in the remaining chapters anyway. For now I’ll just see how the next chapters go. ^_^

 

[Nightlilygirl-]

Well, I'm not the biggest fan of the relationship these two have, but I thought this chapter was nice: seems like they both started to compromise with each other and found a comfortable middle ground... Honestly, I'm fine if this doesn't turn into romance, a siblings-like relationship might fit them better after all.

 

[Monky]

Ok so maybe these two aren’t that unhealthy...

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar
Are you enjoying this ridiculously poorly done arc with a mindblowingly cunty female lead?
If anything is like a pre-pubescent teenager, it's mocking blue collar jobs while trying to genuinely hurt someone because of a difference of opinion or taste as opposed to a genuine and valid gripe.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja

GO BACK TO MAIN COUPLE U FUCKING BITCH AUTHOR

"a genuine and valid gripe."

Are you serious?
That's no gripe, it's a demand, and a pretty rude one at that.

The author is of the opinion that their side characters deserve more attention, kronix is of the opinion that they don't.
What was that about trying to hurt someone because of differences in opinions?

Are you enjoying this ridiculously poorly done arc with a mindblowingly cunty female lead?

Yes, I am, but that's completely besides the point.

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm pissed that he keeps repeating the same comment on nearly every chapter of the manga (and this isn't the only manga where he does it).
It's almost as if he can't just drop a manga and go read something else instead of insulting the author for 30 chapters straight.

There's expressing your opinion (most people do it), and then there's being obnoxious.
Kronix exhibited obnoxious behavior, and I expressed my opinion about it.
You think that's not a genuine and valid gripe? Then that would make you a hypocrite.


You know what's the biggest irony?
Chapter 41: kronix thanks rpapo for being one of the few people not upset with him.
Out of the kindness of my heart, I give him a few tips on how to improve, and make people hate him less. Specifically:

2. Stop writing the same thing on every chapter of every manga as if you were a parrot or a broken record. We understand you dislike side characters, we don't need a constant reminder. You're not some celebrity everybody has to care about.

Guess what he learned? Nothing.

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar
No, you are the one without a genuine and valid gripe. He's a troll, that's what he does. And him trolling, which isn't an insult to you, isn't grounds for you to insult him.

What was that about trying to hurt someone because of differences in opinions?

You do remember the trolling part, yes? Him being overblown and joking is hardly comparable to you trying to actually tear him down along with the working class and teenagers in general.

Yes, I am, but that's completely besides the point.

No, it's not, because you're behaving like an angry child because of that difference of opinion. You probably wouldn't give two fucks if you hated this arc.

There's expressing your opinion (most people do it), and then there's being obnoxious.

Not mutually exclusive.

Kronix exhibited obnoxious behavior, and I expressed my opinion about it.

I could say the same about your behavior and my response, or I could point out how essentially nothing in your comment is an opinion, just an insult. Your choice.

You think that's not a genuine and valid gripe? Then that would make you a hypocrite.

No, I don't. You not liking someone's opinion or method of speaking, isn't grounds for you to act like an angry child and throw a fit. And it wouldn't, because unlike you I'm not insulting people or trying to tear them down in the worst possible ways over a difference of opinion or preference.

I'm pissed that he keeps repeating the same comment on nearly every chapter of the manga

And that gives you a right to try and seriously hurt him when he's making a bad joke? You do realize how ridiculous that is and fallacious that is?

Out of the kindness of my heart, I give him a few tips on how to improve, and make people hate him less. Specifically:

Stop writing the same thing on every chapter of every manga as if you were a parrot or a broken record. We understand you dislike side characters, we don't need a constant reminder. You're not some celebrity everybody has to care about.

Oh yes, so kind, not narcissistic or patronizing or fallacious. Writing a comment and expressing oneself is totally dependent on other's caring about your opinion. Telling people no cares or has to care about your opinion because you're not a celebrity is totally kind and not at all ridiculously fallacious. Telling someone not to share their opinion that you don't like is totally a method of self improvement and kindness.

Come on, let's talk about your hypocrisy. Let's talk about how it's more like a "pre-pubescent teenager" to insult the working class while trying to genuinely hurt someone than it is for someone to make a bad joke. You're insulting two groups of people at once without any grounds to do so. If anyone is a child and needs to learn something, it's you.

It's absolutely ridiculous that kronix's trolling always seems to bring out the hypocrisy of others.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja
Sorry, but I'm not going to read a wall of text whose only purpose is to, I quote: "tear [me] down along with [...] teenagers in general", because I compared a troll to a pre-pubescent teenager. Pot calling the kettle back, much?

I also find it hilarious that you're trying so hard to explain why I'm such an awful human being for criticizing someone for being a troll.
You've just proved yourself to be a hypocrite. Well done.

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar
Translation: I'll put in the effort to demean someone else but not defend myself when my obvious bullshit is called out and will pretend fallacies will do a good enough job for me.

Translation: I don't know what hypocrisy, criticism or a non-sequitur is.

 

[rpapo]

FWIW, I believe that encouraging good behavior plants seeds that might grow someday. Ridiculing bad behavior only breeds resentment.

Let's be civil here.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja

Translation: I'll put in the effort to demean someone else but not defend myself when my obvious bullshit is called out and will pretend fallacies will do a good enough job for me.

Translation: I don't know what hypocrisy, criticism or a non-sequitur is.

Thanks for translating your wall of text for me. I really appreciate it.

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar

Thanks for translating your wall of text for me. I really appreciate it.

And thank you for proving my point and pseudo translation.

Another translation for you, while I'm at it: I couldn't properly disparage that comment so I'm attempting to make a bad joke / obvious lie in hopes it'll draw attention away from my inability to properly respond.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja
Fine, I'll read that wall of text of yours.

No, you are the one without a genuine and valid gripe.

Proof by assertion.

You are not even trying to explain why my gripe isn't possibly valid or genuine.

He's a troll, that's what he does. And him trolling, which isn't an insult to you, isn't grounds for you to insult him.

I admit that I've been unnecessarily harsh and/or insulting towards the troll.

Now that that's out of the way: Me berating a troll, which isn't an insult to you, is grounds for you to insult me? Please do explain.

No, it's not, because you're behaving like an angry child because of that difference of opinion. You probably wouldn't give two fucks if you hated this arc.

Argumentum ad hominem.

Actually, yes I would. In fact, I did. Many times too, just not on Mangadex.
Thus, how I feel about this arc is inconsequential to the argument at hand.

You are free to believe it or not, it's still irrelevant.

Not mutually exclusive.

Continuum fallacy.

While you are correct, I never claimed otherwise.

I could say the same about your behavior and my response, or I could point out how essentially nothing in your comment is an opinion, just an insult. Your choice.

Point taken.

No, I don't. You not liking someone's opinion or method of speaking, isn't grounds for you to act like an angry child and throw a fit. And it wouldn't, because unlike you I'm not insulting people or trying to tear them down in the worst possible ways over a difference of opinion or preference.

Now you're just being disingenuous.

You knew fully well that my comment was neither targeting teenagers nor the working class, yet you specifically chose to interpret my comment that way in an attempt to tear me down in the worst possible way over a difference of opinion or preference.

All that while likening me to teenagers. "Unlike me" indeed...

And that gives you a right to try and seriously hurt him when he's making a bad joke? You do realize how ridiculous that is and fallacious that is?

No, it indeed doesn't give me the right.

Let's not make kronix out to be completely innocent, though.
This is actually the second time I addressed kronix about his behavior, and also the second time I went out of line. I'd expected kronix to have learned from the first time, but I was clearly expecting too much.

Telling someone not to share their opinion that you don't like is totally a method of self improvement and kindness.

Cherry picking, and you know it.

Just because you choose to ignore the main point of the argument, doesn't mean you're suddenly right.

Come on, let's talk about your hypocrisy. Let's talk about how it's more like a "pre-pubescent teenager" to insult the working class while trying to genuinely hurt someone than it is for someone to make a bad joke. You're insulting two groups of people at once without any grounds to do so.

False attribution.

I still don't follow how "kronix being perfect for a job" is automatically "an insult to the working class".
And by your own logic, you just insulted teenagers in general. You've been doing so repeatedly too.

What gives you the right, I wonder?

If anyone is a child and needs to learn something, it's you.

Oh, my. "Insulting" children now, aren't you?

But yes, I do hope I've learned from this. While I can't guarantee it won't happen again, the probability of it happening again should lower considerably. That's more than I can say about a certain someone.

It's absolutely ridiculous that kronix's trolling always seems to bring out the hypocrisy of others.

As much as I dislike kronix, blaming this one on him is unfair.
You're the only one bringing out your own hypocrisy.


With that said: Have a nice day.

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar

Proof by assertion.

He did not call for harm. He did not insult you. He did not break any rules or laws; his comment is accompanied by point of view aimed at generating genuine discussion: fuck this arc. And even if he did, you'd still have no grounds to insult him. You also address that in your next paragraph, to an extent.

Me berating a troll, which isn't an insult to you, is grounds for you to insult me? Please do explain.

With pleasure. Didn't insult you. Certainly not in the manner you insulted him. Me calling your behavior that of an angry child is self evident from your unprovoked and unanalogous insults where you demean blue collar workers by calling their jobs repetitive, trivial and mundane, comparing him to a pre-pubescent teenager, and so on.

Argumentum ad hominem.

Really? How is you behaving like an angry child due to a difference of opinion not relevant to your insults? And how would you describe a person insulting another over a difference of opinion? The least insulting analogy I can think of is an angry child. You do realize an Ad Hominem is an insult that does not relate to the argument?

There's expressing your opinion (most people do it), and then there's being obnoxious.

Not mutually exclusive.

Continuum fallacy. While you are correct, I never claimed otherwise.

Nope, you did. And if anyone used that fallacy, you did. You don't know what 'then' means apparently or just don't understand the English language. 'Then' means afterwards or therefor. Ergo, saying "and then there's..." means "this is separate from" or "does not include" and would mean you think that he's not expressing his opinion and or just being obnoxious.

You knew fully well that my comment was neither targeting teenagers nor the working class... you specifically chose to interpret my comment that way in an attempt to tear me down in the worst possible way over a difference of opinion or preference.

Yet that's what you did. Used them as an avenue for an insult. You made that very clear in your comment, and required no interpretation on my part.
And I'm not "tearing you down" certainly not over a difference of opinion. You're both breaking a site rule and universal courtesies taught to almost every child in the world. Don't be a dick, and don't fight unprovoked. Me pointing how you are and how your behavior is childish is not "tearing you down". Me pointing out that if anyone is behaving like "a pre-pubescent teen", by virtue of your words, is you, is pointing out your hypocrisy. Saying someone's opinion "isn't important" or "they must be a factory worker because they do the same thing over and over" is tearing them down.

Let's not make kronix out to be completely innocent, though.
This is actually the second time I addressed kronix about his behavior, and also the second time I went out of line. I'd expected kronix to have learned from the first time, but I was clearly expecting too much.

He's not breaking rules. You are. I don't like his trolling half the time but he doesn't have to "learn" anything from you. Just because you'd prefer he behave otherwise doesn't mean he has to. He doesn't have to censor himself or change himself to fit your preferences.

Cherry picking, and you know it.

Out of the kindness of my heart, I give him a few tips on how to improve, and make people hate him less. Specifically: 2. Stop writing the same thing on every chapter of every manga as if you were a parrot or a broken record. We understand you dislike side characters, we don't need a constant reminder. You're not some celebrity everybody has to care about.

It's almost like your entire kindhearted piece of advice breaks down to "I don't like what you said, don't say it or we'll hate you."

I still don't follow how "kronix being perfect for a job" is automatically "an insult to the working class".

Really? That's your defence? You've already acknowledged you were too harsh, didn't have the right to insult him and more. You really thing anyone is going to buy that?

If anyone is a child and needs to learn something, it's you.

Oh, my. "Insulting" children now, aren't you?

Really? That's all you got? Children, generally, have much to learn, that is a truth and having much to learn isn't an insult or a bad thing. Everyone has much to learn, children more so than others. You also really seem to conflate pointing out hypocrisy with endorsement of a sentiment. You saying "he's a pre-pubescent teen (child)" and "hasn't learned anything" or needs to improve himself because you dislike his opinion and me pointing out that is childish or "the behavior of a pre-pubescent teen" isn't an insult or quite the same as your original comment.

As much as I dislike kronix, blaming this one on him is unfair.

Oh, I'm not blaming anything on him, In fact I just find it interesting and helpful how kronix is always touted as a douchebag, complains too much or whatnot, yet the people who disagree with him exhibit hypocrisy and far worse behavior when complaining about him. And you still don't know the definition of hypocrisy, I see.

 

[redmikan]

SO PURE

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja

He did not call for harm.

GO BACK TO MAIN COUPLE U FUCKING BITCH AUTHOR

Proof by assertion (again). Maybe if you repeat that bullshit of yours, it will one day be true?

In the meantime: "GO BACK TO READING MANGO U FUCKING BITCH USER"
Now I'd like to see the awesome ass-pull you'll bring to explain how I didn't just insult you.

Oh, wait, I forgot to say: "it's a joke"
Everything becomes acceptable, as long as I claim it was a joke, doesn't it?

He did not insult you.

Neither did I insult you, yet here we are.

He did not break any rules or laws; his comment is accompanied by point of view aimed at generating genuine discussion: fuck this arc.

GO BACK TO MAIN COUPLE U FUCKING BITCH AUTHOR

And what "genuine discussion" does that generate exactly?

With pleasure. Didn't insult you. Certainly not in the manner you insulted him. Me calling your behavior that of an angry child is self evident from your unprovoked and unanalogous insults where you demean blue collar workers by calling their jobs repetitive, trivial and mundane, comparing him to a pre-pubescent teenager, and so on.

Fallacy of composition.

I did say kronix would be perfect for a factory job, and I did mean it as an insult.
Your fallacy is that you assumed that this is also an insult aimed at all blue collar jobs in general.
In case you didn't know: repetitive, trivial and mundane jobs aren't the only blue collar jobs in existence. Looking at it that way, it is you who's insulting blue collar jobs and/or the working class.

Another fallacy in your argument, is that there is nothing inherently wrong with doing a repetitive, trivial and mundane job. Sometimes you simply can't find a better job because the economy isn't as rosy as it used to be. The insult is when that's the only kind of job you're good at.

Really? How is you behaving like an angry child due to a difference of opinion not relevant to your insults?

Fallacy of quoting out of context.

What's irrelevant is whether or not I enjoyed the current arc.

You do realize an Ad Hominem is an insult that does not relate to the argument?

Actually, Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy where you try to disprove someone's claims through a personal attack.
You were trying to disprove my arguments by saying I wouldn't have cared if I also disliked the current arc.

Nope, you did. And if anyone used that fallacy, you did. You don't know what 'then' means apparently or just don't understand the English language. 'Then' means afterwards or therefor. Ergo, saying "and then there's..." means "this is separate from" or "does not include" and would mean you think that he's not expressing his opinion and or just being obnoxious.

Definitional retreat.

"Then" also has the definition of:

6. in addition; besides; also:
I love my job, and then it pays so well.

Source: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/then

Yet that's what you did. Used them as an avenue for an insult. You made that very clear in your comment, and required no interpretation on my part.

Not bothering to quote the rest: I've already shown the fallacy in your argument above. Read it again if you must.

He's not breaking rules. You are. I don't like his trolling half the time but he doesn't have to "learn" anything from you. Just because you'd prefer he behave otherwise doesn't mean he has to. He doesn't have to censor himself or change himself to fit your preferences.

Proof by assertion (again).

He actually is. Please refer to rule 5.2.4. Note how it starts with "No trolling".
You even admitted that he's a troll and trolling is what he does. Thus you already admitted he broke a rule.

You're even trying to bullshit your way out of this by claiming that "GO BACK TO MAIN COUPLE U FUCKING BITCH AUTHOR" are "controversial opinions and topic accompanied by a point of view aimed at generating genuine discussion", without even showing said point of view. "Fuck this arc"? This doesn't generate any discussions of any kind.

It's almost like your entire kindhearted piece of advice breaks down to "I don't like what you said, don't say it or we'll hate you."

It is, isn't it?

Except that kronix is fully aware that he is disliked.
It's right there in his bio: "Please don't get offended by my comments take them as a joke and move on."
It's right there in his own comment to chapter 41 (of this manga): "dude you are the man seriously you are one of the few people that dont get upset with me"
It's right there in his own reply to his own feature suggestion: "After careful analysis I retract my statement of getting a up/down system. There are MANY people in this site that absolutely despise me for whatever reason, and I am sure they would unblock me, downvote / dislike my post then block me again just for the "fuck you" aspect of it."

You'd think that by telling him to stop what he usually does, he might actually improve his reputation eventually.
Or maybe it's as you say: "Don't say what I don't like, or we'll hate you."

Whichever you believe is the most likely answer. Your choice.

Really? That's your defence? You've already acknowledged you were too harsh, didn't have the right to insult him and more. You really thing anyone is going to buy that?

Non sequitur.

Just because your entire premise was fallacious, it doesn't mean your message was wrong. I admitted that I was too harsh, but your premise is still fallacious.

Really? That's all you got? Children, generally, have much to learn, that is a truth and having much to learn isn't an insult or a bad thing. Everyone has much to learn, children more so than others.

Ah, so when you're the one using it, it's just a way of saying "you have much to learn" and is in no way an insult (at least not to children), but when I'm the one using it, it's "an insult to the person and children in general".

That's one hell of a double standard you've got there.

You also really seem to conflate pointing out hypocrisy with endorsement of a sentiment. You saying "he's a pre-pubescent teen (child)" and "hasn't learned anything" or needs to improve himself because you dislike his opinion and me pointing out that is childish or "the behavior of a pre-pubescent teen" isn't an insult or quite the same as your original comment.

Proof by assertion.

I said his comment reminds of a pre-pubescent teenager because he hasn't learned anything.
I have provided proof showing that he is aware of his reputation, as well as proof that I have indeed given him advice on how to improve.
This comment section is already proof enough that he hasn't learned anything.

My issue with him is with his behavior, not his opinion. It doesn't matter how many times you assert the opposite, it won't become any more true.

Oh, I'm not blaming anything on him, In fact I just find it interesting and helpful how kronix is always touted as a douchebag, complains too much or whatnot, yet the people who disagree with him exhibit hypocrisy and far worse behavior when complaining about him. And you still don't know the definition of hypocrisy, I see.

Man, you really do love your proofs by assertions, don't you?
I expected better from someone who keeps throwing the word "fallacy" around, like kronix does with "fuck".


Have a nice day.

 

[Yautja]

@Nolonar

you assumed that this is also an insult aimed at all blue collar jobs in general.

I did say kronix would be perfect for a factory job, and I did mean it as an insult.

I still don't follow how "kronix being perfect for a job" is automatically "an insult to the working class".

I think you've proved my point better than I could and showed me what an incredible waste of speaking to you is.

I still don't follow how "kronix being perfect for a job" is automatically "an insult to the working class".

Really? That's your defence? You've already acknowledged you were too harsh, didn't have the right to insult him and more. You really thing anyone is going to buy that?

Non sequitur. Just because your entire premise was fallacious, it doesn't mean your message was wrong. I admitted that I was too harsh, but your premise is still fallacious.

Really? Seriously? You just keep proving my point for me.

Ah, so when you're the one using it, it's just a way of saying "you have much to learn" and is in no way an insult (at least not to children), but when I'm the one using it, it's "an insult to the person and children in general". That's one hell of a double standard you've got there.

What's your day job, factory worker? Tirelessly repeating the same mundane tasks, no matter how trivial, no matter how often? Because that would totally suits you. Although, on second thought, your comments seem more like a pre-pubescent teenager's, rather than a working person's.

Out of the kindness of my heart, I give him a few tips on how to improve, and make people hate him less. Specifically:
2. Stop writing the same thing on every chapter of every manga as if you were a parrot or a broken record. We understand you dislike side characters, we don't need a constant reminder. You're not some celebrity everybody has to care about.

Guess what he learned? Nothing.

If anyone is a child and needs to learn something, it's you.

Spot the differences. Also, refer to : You also really seem to conflate pointing out hypocrisy with endorsement of a sentiment.

While this has been fun, you saying "This is a dog" while pointing at a cat and me saying "No, it's a cat", I think it's fundamentally impossible to reason with the unreasonable. And while your basic fallacies and or lies have been oh so entertaining, I think you've proven my point enough.

 

[Nolonar]

@Yautja

I think you've proved my point better than I could and showed me what an incredible waste of speaking to you is.

Prove what? That insulting kronix = insulting the working class?
Have one of my favorite quotes: "You are an ant. Wait, I take it back. That's not an insult to you, it's an insult to ants."

All I've proven is that you're incapable of logical thinking, and as soon as it becomes apparent, you resort to ad hominem, false attributions, cherry picking, and a lot of proof by assertions.
Oh, and I forgot "you've proven my point".

Really? Seriously? You just keep proving my point for me.

Have you heard of "argument from fallacy"? It's also known as "don't shoot the messenger".
Just because the messenger is stupid, it does not mean the message is wrong.

Your argument (I insulted children and the working class) was flawed, but your message (I shouldn't have been this harsh on kronix) is correct. That's what I admitted.

You dragged out this pointless debate by calling me out for my "fallacious arguments", and now you say I'm proving your very own fallacious arguments by not resorting to a fallacy myself?
Please go back to school and re-learn how to properly argue before coming back.

Spot the differences.

There is no difference in the way we used the words "child" or "teenager".

I insulted kronix and said that his comments remind me of a teenager's.
You've been trying very hard to tear me down by accusing me of insulting a set of entirely unrelated people, making fallacious arguments, making up lies and twisting words, drawing attention away from my "inability to properly respond to a comment", and then you likened me to an angry child throwing a fit.

If me insulting kronix and comparing him to teenagers is also an insult to teenagers, then you accusing me of being the scumbag you're making me out to be, is the same as saying children are the same kind of scumbags.

Do you see the fallacy of your argument now?
I didn't think so.

Also, refer to : You also really seem to conflate pointing out hypocrisy with endorsement of a sentiment.

It's been a while since I last used the word "hypocrisy" in this debate. You got tired of "fallacy" and now want "hypocrisy"? As you wish.

Remember why this pointless argument is dragging out?

Translation: I'll put in the effort to demean someone else but not defend myself when my obvious bullshit is called out and will pretend fallacies will do a good enough job for me.

Funny how you accuse me of pretending fallacies will do a good enough job for me, when you've been doing nothing but resort to fallacies this entire time.
I've given you the precise name of all the fallacies I've managed to identify, including an explanation of why it's fallacious for the ones that aren't immediately obvious.

You've done nothing to disprove my claims other than by using more fallacies (mostly proof by assertion). In fact, you've been avoiding quoting quite a bunch of my proofs.
There's your hypocrisy.

While this has been fun, you saying "This is a dog" while pointing at a cat and me saying "No, it's a cat", I think it's fundamentally impossible to reason with the unreasonable. And while your basic fallacies and or lies have been oh so entertaining, I think you've proven my point enough.

That's an interesting argument coming from the person who's just been proved to twist the definitions of words to suit his own lies:

You don't know what 'then' means apparently or just don't understand the English language. 'Then' means afterwards or therefor. Ergo, saying "and then there's..." means "this is separate from" or "does not include"[...]

How about citing a source for your claims, like I did?
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/then

I don't need to quote the entire page, you can read yourself. You will see that there is nothing in there supporting your claim that "and then" means "this is separate from".
On the contrary, there is a short quote in there that supports my use of the term, which is "there's also".

6. in addition; besides; also:
I love my job, and then it pays so well.

Here's another hypocrisy for you:

Another translation for you, while I'm at it: I couldn't properly disparage that comment so I'm attempting to make a bad joke / obvious lie in hopes it'll draw attention away from my inability to properly respond.

You've clearly not even read what I previously wrote, or else ("this is separate from") you wouldn't have made such an embarrassingly stupid attempt at accusing me of twisting definitions, while replying to the very post containing the proof that it is you who's twisting them. And all that without supplying any kind of proof of your own, no less.
Instead, you purposefully ignore the points I make, repeat your previous assertions (despite being proven fallacious), and even spread lies in an attempt to distract from your inability to properly respond.

Such hypocrisy.

 

[ElBichoRaro]

Rpapo, thanks for translating this as usual.

 

[rpapo]

@ElBichoRaro - Just got done with Bara no Tame ni #61, but waiting on Green Moriyama-sensei to review it. So now I'm working on this series again, chapter 47. With luck, I will have it out before Saturday evening. There should be no reason for another flame war with this next chapter. Thankfully.