Tsuyokute New Saga - Vol. 8 Ch. 70
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Melra asks why she should bother to fix her follows misunderstanding...well, for one, far more humans that she apparently loves more, will be saved if everybody worked together against the great invasion instead of letting one race enslave and/or murder other races solely because their goddess said “humans are better”. Considering we all know how “letting things be” turned out for humanity in the original timeline (near extinction), you’d think this goddess would have a bit more foresight than she claims.
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kail really did turn into a demon/future demon lord like they’ve been lampshading forever...at least the current horny Demon Lord cares about working together with humanity to have a better relationship.
Curious now if all the other gods have a similar jerkass disposition as Melra.
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kail really did turn into a demon/future demon lord like they’ve been lampshading forever...at least the current horny Demon Lord cares about working together with humanity to have a better relationship.
Curious now if all the other gods have a similar jerkass disposition as Melra.
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But when he fought the demon lord he was fighting with a number of companions. Also I don't know if it was mentioned in the manga but I remember it was explained in the novel
Also why do you make it sound like the demon general is stronger the the demon lord and if he could kill the demon general he should be able to kill the demon lord.
Also even if he was stronger then the demon lord he would still need to find him.
Also even if he was strong if the war happens he is still just one person and wouldn't be able to defeat the entire enemy army by himself which is why he's trying to united humanity for the war.
But when he fought the demon lord he was fighting with a number of companions. Also I don't know if it was mentioned in the manga but I remember it was explained in the novel
That every one of the people who were sent to kill the demon lord were using lots of forbidden potions and magic which allowed them to have much greater strength but also greatly harmed their body greatly lowering their lifespan. Even if they hadn't died they wouldn't have lived much longer. Also the demon lord seem to have been protecting the time travel spell location causing him to be distracted during the fight.
Also he didn't really prevent humanity's extinction during the first timeline. The demons still had high casualties to they were likely reluctant to continue the war. So humanity was basically gambling that if the killed the leader of the demons that were able to united all of the demons there wouldn't anyone else able to unite them anymore and that there would be enough demons reluctant to continue the war that it would end. Even if they succeeded humans would be in terrible shape with very few people still being alive.
Also he didn't really prevent humanity's extinction during the first timeline. The demons still had high casualties to they were likely reluctant to continue the war. So humanity was basically gambling that if the killed the leader of the demons that were able to united all of the demons there wouldn't anyone else able to unite them anymore and that there would be enough demons reluctant to continue the war that it would end. Even if they succeeded humans would be in terrible shape with very few people still being alive.
Also even if he was stronger then the demon lord he would still need to find him.
Also even if he was strong if the war happens he is still just one person and wouldn't be able to defeat the entire enemy army by himself which is why he's trying to united humanity for the war.
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So she thinks it's like loving your children more than your friends huh?
Bullshit, she even agree to ignore if her "children" kill or torture other species. Non of that resemble the example she gave to justify her role.
Fuck her, she might not be evil but she sure is a selfish bitch.
Kinda remind me of that godess in another manga who favours only beautiful people and cast average and ugly people out because she doesn't bare to look at them. Including not helping and caring as to what happen to them.
Bullshit, she even agree to ignore if her "children" kill or torture other species. Non of that resemble the example she gave to justify her role.
Fuck her, she might not be evil but she sure is a selfish bitch.
Kinda remind me of that godess in another manga who favours only beautiful people and cast average and ugly people out because she doesn't bare to look at them. Including not helping and caring as to what happen to them.
@heroeric The manga made it sound like the general was stronger. He was never beaten in the first time line, and he was regarded as one of if not the most powerful demon among his kind. Hence, why i say if he is now able to beat that guy, in a one on one fight when before even with a whole group not only did he lose, but it ended up killing companions of his, then it's a safe bet to say he is already more powerful than he was in the previous timeline, by a significant margin. And it's still a long while until the time the war started, meaning he'll only get stronger from here. Add that to his combat knowledge from before, as well as him knowing how the demon lord fights, and that is a LOT stacking in his favor here.
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The fight was 2 on 1.
Though the demon was powerful there is no indication that he is stronger then the future demon lord.
Also when he fought him in his previous life it was unlikely to have been near the end of that life when he was at his strongest. And the companions mentioned aren't likely to be the elite sent to kill the demon lord.
The fight was 2 on 1.
Though the demon was powerful there is no indication that he is stronger then the future demon lord.
Also when he fought him in his previous life it was unlikely to have been near the end of that life when he was at his strongest. And the companions mentioned aren't likely to be the elite sent to kill the demon lord.
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Melra is like a bored person who decided to kill time by watching one particular anthill (humans). In that aspect she is quite like the greek patreon, giving her blessings to some she favors while messing up with the ones she doesn't.
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@AStrangerIsHere There is more to the Medusa's story than the way you put it.
Medusa was a human with beautiful hair that was so beautiful it caught the eyes of Poseidon. In an attempt to flee his advances Medusa sought sanctuary in a temple of Athena as she prayed for Athena's protection form Poseidon. But Athena was jealous and not only did she not stop Poseidon form raping her in the temple she also cursed her. Athena turned Medusa's hair into snakes and made it so that if any man ever laid eyes on her ever again, they would be turned to stone.
For those that want to read more in-depth about Medusa.
Medusa was a human with beautiful hair that was so beautiful it caught the eyes of Poseidon. In an attempt to flee his advances Medusa sought sanctuary in a temple of Athena as she prayed for Athena's protection form Poseidon. But Athena was jealous and not only did she not stop Poseidon form raping her in the temple she also cursed her. Athena turned Medusa's hair into snakes and made it so that if any man ever laid eyes on her ever again, they would be turned to stone.
For those that want to read more in-depth about Medusa.
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The people crying about Melra are hilarious. The gods don't even hang out on this dimension, can only make long distance collect calls through an incredibly specific bloodline of people, they apparently only receive power from their own chosen/created species given what Melra has implied, and they seem to be extremely oblivious to most of the goings on of the mortal world. They are certainly disconnected from it.
So with that in mind, why would a god that only gets power from humans care about dwarves or elves? Maybe I've just been playing a lot of Divinity, D&D, and classic RPG fantasy recently, but are you really surprised that the world could end in a span of three years and the gods somehow get caught unprepared by it? They're like dragons, but even moreso. A dragon goes to sleep for a few hundred years and the entire map looks different. That's normal. The entire apocalypse, from beginning to end, went down in a span of less than five years, if the background with Kail is to be believed. It's been rubbed in our faces REPEATEDLY that something isn't right with this story: every single demon that Kail and humanity fought against the first time were unquestioning die-hard fanatics, but literally NONE of them are that way now. Sanwan seemed downright reasonable and level-headed. The dragons which resolutely refused to have anything to do with any other races all decided to side with the demons. Something happened in a two-to-three year timespan that completely changed EVERYTHING in the background of this world, without anyone seeming to realize it until it was too late. Either other gods were involved, Kail isn't the only time traveler, or there's some other absurd explanation that we haven't been hinted at yet. It's entirely possible that the black-winged demon is another Kail from yet another timeline who came back to stop something worse from happening by becoming the Daimaou, and HIS plan went off the rails, and he had prepared the stone to try and make another jump. In fact, considering the presence of black feathers when Kail murdered Milena's father by pushing him off the balcony, the black winged demon being another Kail that transformed into a demon is probably the strongest theory we have. Especially since, given the fact that all other races are divinely created by a patron god, we don't seem to have an explanation for what demons even are or where they originally came from. Zeeles supposedly failed in their attempts to create artificial souls to consume for more power. Who's to say a civilization that predates them did not succeed, and this is where demons come from? The Demon Lord certainly seemed to know more about what was happening with Kail's soul than even Sildonia did, which is suspicious in itself. If a twin-souled human is superficially indistinguishable from a human, then that by itself is a huge piece of evidence to this puzzle.
Literally anything is possible at this point. Why you people seem to think this is all Melra's fault, or that Melra is somehow irresponsible for not catching all of this sooner, I don't understand. Considering the timespan and perspective gods and other higher beings like dragons seem to work with, it's lucky she caught wind of this at all. And you're all awful keen to virtue signal against her, because she believes something you personally find distasteful, but I notice none of you are criticizing the OTHER gods, every one of whom doesn't seem to care AT ALL that the world is going to end or has completely failed to notice yet. At least Melra gives half a damn and wants to do something to stop it. That's more can be said for literally every other divine entity that created this universe.
Also, Melra isn't exactly wrong to suppose that humanity should stand above the other intelligent species. Apparently there are many gods, and yet the two chief creator gods are herself and her sister. If every other race was made by lesser gods, but one of the greater gods made humanity, then at the very least, doesn't that make humanity the eldest child of the proverbial household? We've decided leadership roles and the inheritance of kings with that logic in our own history for ten thousand years. Is she actually wrong to argue that humans should take a leadership role in the world? Because that's what her language implies. She wants humanity to lead by example and be the best that they can be. You say that's twisted, but it's not an inherently flawed moral position. And humans already de-facto rule the world anyway. Dwarves are rare and only live in a few places. Beastmen inhabit some swamps to the south. Elven enclaves are small and exist in scattered forests. The only two races that matter are humans and demons, and demons may very well just be humans that successfully twinned their own souls like what Zeeles attempted. So this entire planet is possibly just two different breeds of human, one more inherently magical than the other, arguing over who deserves to own everything the most. Every other intelligent species is a spectator at best. If that's the case, is Melra's perspective really wrong? Hell, even if demons aren't twin-souled humans, is she still wrong even then? Humans are already de-facto in charge of half of everything. Her primary position either way is a criticism, of humans, that they're not living up to their true potential. You people seem to be conflating morality with out-group preference, which at best is not necessary to be moral and just and at worst is self-defeating and self-destructive. You also seem really eager to throw Melra under the bus because you think she's "racist," while ignoring the fact that every other god is either oblivious or uncaring about the world coming to an end. You would think the god of elves or dwarves would care a lot about what happens to them, since there are so few elves and dwarves around. Apparently not. And I don't see the gods of the other races tripping over themselves to help humanity, or even their own species. But Melra is the real bad guy in all of this, sure. She can't even make a collect call to talk to her followers and explain herself for more than two minutes without destroying the body of the oracle she's possessing, but this is all MELRA'S fault, for her lack of communication. Even though she's the only god we know of who bothers to talk at all. It's all on her. Lmao.
Also, you people obsess over power levels way too much. This isn't a story about Kail flexing on everyone. It's a story about Kail trying to save as many people as he can. Of course he questioned and doubted whether he was doing the right thing, he had to kill two of his own comrades because of circumstances out of his control. It's no wonder he shed some tears when Melra confirmed that he has at least managed to save an entire fourth of humanity. This isn't about whether or not Kail can beat the Daimaou. It's never been about that. I'm actually really happy that the story is sticking to the original premise and tone it established with at the start. This ISN'T your typical Dragon Warrior east-west hybrid high fantasy hero story, and that's what makes it so interesting.
So with that in mind, why would a god that only gets power from humans care about dwarves or elves? Maybe I've just been playing a lot of Divinity, D&D, and classic RPG fantasy recently, but are you really surprised that the world could end in a span of three years and the gods somehow get caught unprepared by it? They're like dragons, but even moreso. A dragon goes to sleep for a few hundred years and the entire map looks different. That's normal. The entire apocalypse, from beginning to end, went down in a span of less than five years, if the background with Kail is to be believed. It's been rubbed in our faces REPEATEDLY that something isn't right with this story: every single demon that Kail and humanity fought against the first time were unquestioning die-hard fanatics, but literally NONE of them are that way now. Sanwan seemed downright reasonable and level-headed. The dragons which resolutely refused to have anything to do with any other races all decided to side with the demons. Something happened in a two-to-three year timespan that completely changed EVERYTHING in the background of this world, without anyone seeming to realize it until it was too late. Either other gods were involved, Kail isn't the only time traveler, or there's some other absurd explanation that we haven't been hinted at yet. It's entirely possible that the black-winged demon is another Kail from yet another timeline who came back to stop something worse from happening by becoming the Daimaou, and HIS plan went off the rails, and he had prepared the stone to try and make another jump. In fact, considering the presence of black feathers when Kail murdered Milena's father by pushing him off the balcony, the black winged demon being another Kail that transformed into a demon is probably the strongest theory we have. Especially since, given the fact that all other races are divinely created by a patron god, we don't seem to have an explanation for what demons even are or where they originally came from. Zeeles supposedly failed in their attempts to create artificial souls to consume for more power. Who's to say a civilization that predates them did not succeed, and this is where demons come from? The Demon Lord certainly seemed to know more about what was happening with Kail's soul than even Sildonia did, which is suspicious in itself. If a twin-souled human is superficially indistinguishable from a human, then that by itself is a huge piece of evidence to this puzzle.
Literally anything is possible at this point. Why you people seem to think this is all Melra's fault, or that Melra is somehow irresponsible for not catching all of this sooner, I don't understand. Considering the timespan and perspective gods and other higher beings like dragons seem to work with, it's lucky she caught wind of this at all. And you're all awful keen to virtue signal against her, because she believes something you personally find distasteful, but I notice none of you are criticizing the OTHER gods, every one of whom doesn't seem to care AT ALL that the world is going to end or has completely failed to notice yet. At least Melra gives half a damn and wants to do something to stop it. That's more can be said for literally every other divine entity that created this universe.
Also, Melra isn't exactly wrong to suppose that humanity should stand above the other intelligent species. Apparently there are many gods, and yet the two chief creator gods are herself and her sister. If every other race was made by lesser gods, but one of the greater gods made humanity, then at the very least, doesn't that make humanity the eldest child of the proverbial household? We've decided leadership roles and the inheritance of kings with that logic in our own history for ten thousand years. Is she actually wrong to argue that humans should take a leadership role in the world? Because that's what her language implies. She wants humanity to lead by example and be the best that they can be. You say that's twisted, but it's not an inherently flawed moral position. And humans already de-facto rule the world anyway. Dwarves are rare and only live in a few places. Beastmen inhabit some swamps to the south. Elven enclaves are small and exist in scattered forests. The only two races that matter are humans and demons, and demons may very well just be humans that successfully twinned their own souls like what Zeeles attempted. So this entire planet is possibly just two different breeds of human, one more inherently magical than the other, arguing over who deserves to own everything the most. Every other intelligent species is a spectator at best. If that's the case, is Melra's perspective really wrong? Hell, even if demons aren't twin-souled humans, is she still wrong even then? Humans are already de-facto in charge of half of everything. Her primary position either way is a criticism, of humans, that they're not living up to their true potential. You people seem to be conflating morality with out-group preference, which at best is not necessary to be moral and just and at worst is self-defeating and self-destructive. You also seem really eager to throw Melra under the bus because you think she's "racist," while ignoring the fact that every other god is either oblivious or uncaring about the world coming to an end. You would think the god of elves or dwarves would care a lot about what happens to them, since there are so few elves and dwarves around. Apparently not. And I don't see the gods of the other races tripping over themselves to help humanity, or even their own species. But Melra is the real bad guy in all of this, sure. She can't even make a collect call to talk to her followers and explain herself for more than two minutes without destroying the body of the oracle she's possessing, but this is all MELRA'S fault, for her lack of communication. Even though she's the only god we know of who bothers to talk at all. It's all on her. Lmao.
Also, you people obsess over power levels way too much. This isn't a story about Kail flexing on everyone. It's a story about Kail trying to save as many people as he can. Of course he questioned and doubted whether he was doing the right thing, he had to kill two of his own comrades because of circumstances out of his control. It's no wonder he shed some tears when Melra confirmed that he has at least managed to save an entire fourth of humanity. This isn't about whether or not Kail can beat the Daimaou. It's never been about that. I'm actually really happy that the story is sticking to the original premise and tone it established with at the start. This ISN'T your typical Dragon Warrior east-west hybrid high fantasy hero story, and that's what makes it so interesting.
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What nonsense
If the other races are like the "kids of a friend", and humans your "children", then, as their parent, shouldn't you discipline them properly for MURDERING THE OTHER KIDS!!! You SAY your kids/humans are better and should better themselves, how is genociding the other kids/races that?! It's not! Discipline them properly you fucking goddess
That said, @Lord-Raine's points are *also* pretty good. With those in mind, I still think that *given* Melra has taken a more active role in the mortal world, she should've done more to police her followers. When asked she didn't say she couldn't do it, merely "why would I?" Why should she not lead humanity by example, too? Or at the very least tell them when they're doing wrong, a nudge in the right direction.
If the other races are like the "kids of a friend", and humans your "children", then, as their parent, shouldn't you discipline them properly for MURDERING THE OTHER KIDS!!! You SAY your kids/humans are better and should better themselves, how is genociding the other kids/races that?! It's not! Discipline them properly you fucking goddess
That said, @Lord-Raine's points are *also* pretty good. With those in mind, I still think that *given* Melra has taken a more active role in the mortal world, she should've done more to police her followers. When asked she didn't say she couldn't do it, merely "why would I?" Why should she not lead humanity by example, too? Or at the very least tell them when they're doing wrong, a nudge in the right direction.
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I like where this is going, Especially the secret about the Demon With Black Wings
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Not like a mother, more like an professor, they taught but it depends on themselves what understood (such goddess you are)
