Ueno-kun wa Kaihatsuzumi - Ch. 77 - The Source of Troubles

[Ta123]

Hell nah. Choose Tsubomi.

True brother, true...

 

[phorx]

He should choose a brothel and leave all these nut jobs behind

 

[Mikael.L]

I thought he told Moka that he was moving next month. Did that much time pass already? Nothing happened in the meantime?

I’m tired of the victim blaming. It’s his fault for being weak maybe? Except that he’s weak because he’s been broken down for years by Chisaki. She also stated plainly that she’s ok with what she’s done and would rather continue to do it. Chisaki is an unrepentant monster.

He decided to move because he wanted this cycle to end. He wants to be different even though he probably doesn’t know how to change or what to do, he at least knows that his environment needs to change. He’s been conditioned to believe this is his fault because that’s what Chisaki was trying to program him to think. It’s not the truth and if he gets anything out of this entire mess, I hope he figures that out.

Also, why is anyone talking about Moka mending her friendships with the 3 bullies? How could she even begin to trust them or even feel comfortable around them anymore? They haven’t even faced her to apologize for anything they’ve done.

Fuck em bullies, even if Tsubomi came out with regrets and even "fell" for the mc after all her inmature doings, causing a trauma or even "condition" (i guess) on him just because she wanted to be part of team.

 

[essensue]

Because Ueno is a good person. He has a lot of different emotions when it comes to Chisaki, but hate doesn't seem to be one of them. He realizes that she's just as broken as him, so he would spare her unnecessary suffering if he could.

I think your analysis is consistent with what the series intends a sharp reader to infer. That having been said, I think conflating "empathetic" with "good" when maybe "cowardly" fits better is a mistake of japanese bdsm morality, and to put it more simply, "totally fucked in the head."

When the series' insufficiently-challenged assumption/thesis is that "hey rape victims: if you cum, that's twice as shameful as being the actual rapist, and you're the actual sick fuck here" it's perfectly natural to put "preserving your relationship with your chosen partner" as morally equivalent to "inconveniencing my rapist."

Sorry, but empty-headed porn logic + kink validation for humiliation gooners isn't real morality.

Not that you're saying it is. Nothing personal. I'm just day drinking on a sunday afternoon and was reminded by your comment that this series is basically intrinsically evil.

You get it, right? Saying they're "equally broken" when her sex crimes are what broke him is... bad.

 

[OogieBoogie]

Cuckqueen! Cuckqueen! Cuckqueen!

 

[Capturinggod200]

I think your analysis is consistent with what the series intends a sharp reader to infer. That having been said, I think conflating "empathetic" with "good" when maybe "cowardly" fits better is a mistake of japanese bdsm morality, and to put it more simply, "totally fucked in the head."

When the series' insufficiently-challenged assumption/thesis is that "hey rape victims: if you cum, that's twice as shameful as being the actual rapist, and you're the actual sick fuck here" it's perfectly natural to put "preserving your relationship with your chosen partner" as morally equivalent to "inconveniencing my rapist."

Sorry, but empty-headed porn logic + kink validation for humiliation gooners isn't real morality.

Not that you're saying it is. Nothing personal. I'm just day drinking on a sunday afternoon and was reminded by your comment that this series is basically intrinsically evil.

You get it, right? Saying they're "equally broken" when her sex crimes are what broke him is... bad.

Thank You! I've been calling out people here since the beginning of this manga for shipping Ueno with any of his three rapists. The fact that people still root for Tsubomi just because she said sorry and cried is disgusting and disturbing.

 

[Goldni]

come on pick the harem route

 

[dddcristiddd]

I wonder if people do not realise or can not accept to realise there is no one here without fault, Manaka might be the only exception since she really did not do anything wrong,she just fell in love with the wrong guy.
Meanwhile Ueno is reaping what he sew because who the fk uses his friends clothing to masturbate.
Think Logically,Ueno couldve had his life ended right there by Chisaki do you know whats the crimiminal thats most hated in Japan?
Sex offenders,thats what Ueno was morally speaking, his entire life couldve been ruined from simply being called to the school board.
I enjoy this story because its so morally gray that it keeps me captivated.

 

[vanCham]

That was dumb from the dark haired grille. Should have stayed hidden and just see what he says out of his own free will.

 

[kohakusan]

Who's that he's talking with in his mind again? And hell no, just dump boring Manaka and crazy Chisaki then get best girl Tsubomi!

 

[len-desu]

Hell nah. Choose Tsubomi.

The correct wey

 

[essensue]

//snip// I’m tired of the victim blaming. //snip//

⬆️ this, in regards to that ⬇️

I wonder if people do not realise or can not accept to realise there is no one here without fault, Manaka might be the only exception since she really did not do anything wrong,she just fell in love with the wrong guy.
Meanwhile Ueno is reaping what he sew because who the fk uses his friends clothing to masturbate.
Think Logically,Ueno couldve had his life ended right there by Chisaki do you know whats the crimiminal thats most hated in Japan?
Sex offenders,thats what Ueno was morally speaking, his entire life couldve been ruined from simply being called to the school board.
I enjoy this story because its so morally gray that it keeps me captivated.

Secretly masturbating while holding someone's clothes doesn't justify any amount of torture, and nothing ever justifies any amount of sexual assault. A victim's 'imperfections' do nothing to ease the wrong of sexual crimes committed against them.

I probably shouldn't be the one to talk about this because none of the sex stuff in this series does anything for me, but like, yes, the "logic" is that the masturbation incident gave the girls an excuse to abuse him. That has less to do with the "real world logic" of him being ruined by a criminal record (zero percent chance of that as he was a minor in middle school whose name would have been redacted, though maybe he'd have to change schools) and more to do with the dubious "logic" of porn: This series is for people who want to be dominated by a cruel woman and have a lot of guilt and shame tied up in their views on sex generally and kink specifically.

There are a lot of story elements at play that exist only to facilitate the audience's hog-cranking, and the guilt that tethers him to the girls is one of them: He's been a naughty boy who needs to be punished. The in-story victim blaming is part of what makes the erotica go.

The story regards very little of this through an actual moral lens when it's in the moment, because it's not looking at things like "harm" or "consent." Instead its sexual morality operates on the axis of shame - "that which is shameful is wrong (and therefore hot.)"
ex.: "He has a sexual fetish that she conditioned into him; this fetish forces him to seek her out for sexual release just as much as her fetish forces her to non-consensually bully him because they've both 'fallen to pleasure.' Because they both have fetishes and are thus 'perverts,' both are equally at fault." Naturally, most people don't really believe that here: Having a fetish isn't a moral concern as long as you act on it in responsible ways with consenting adults, and having a fetish does not FORCE you to do crimes.

The idea that "raping someone until they 'can't live without it' is morally gray (even romantic) as long as you 'take responsibility' for them" does not belong in the real world. But it is everywhere in Japanese porn and it's not incompatible with Japan's BDSM culture's values, historically.

The series makes gestures at developing moral values in line with the real world, at Ueno maybe growing as a person, accepting his kinks and dealing with them in a healthy way or learning to live without them, and breaking away from his tormentors... but it's still very much trying to have things both ways, as both a drama about victims moving on and as erotica for people who fantasize about being in Ueno's sexual situations. I'm very curious to see how it reconciles them in the future, because it seems to want to.

Ultimately it's fiction, so it doesn't even have to TRY and get it right. Most readers seem to be able to keep the two value systems separate. But understand that there are two systems in place that are moving the story and motivating the characters, and they're in tension with one another.

 

[MaroFour]

⬆️ this, in regards to that ⬇️

Secretly masturbating while holding someone's clothes doesn't justify any amount of torture, and nothing ever justifies any amount of sexual assault. A victim's 'imperfections' do nothing to ease the wrong of sexual crimes committed against them.

I probably shouldn't be the one to talk about this because none of the sex stuff in this series does anything for me, but like, yes, the "logic" is that the masturbation incident gave the girls an excuse to abuse him. That has less to do with the "real world logic" of him being ruined by a criminal record (zero percent chance of that as he was a minor in middle school whose name would have been redacted, though maybe he'd have to change schools) and more to do with the dubious "logic" of porn: This series is for people who want to be dominated by a cruel woman and have a lot of guilt and shame tied up in their views on sex generally and kink specifically.

...

Love to read those kind of comments and the way you articulate it. Absolutely wonderful analysis

 

[forever-second]

bah this scene needs no analysis. you have the girl you want to be with in front of you, and you know which answer is going to result in her leaving, broken and hurt. you also know that hesitation is the same as choosing wrong. so choose the other answer. it's not that hard, unless you actually are a piece of sh^t human being who's only in relationships for the intercourse.

 

[Lsk111]

Ah shit here we go again☹️

 

[BegoneThoth]

1. Tsubomi is the only girl to have fully changed and improved. The two girls in this triangle are still figuring themselves out, and the other girl is into yuri and thus a non-issue. 😶‍🌫️
   
2. Tsubomi winning would be a twist. And certainly much more so that ntr. It's not too late.
   
3. Ueno's culpability isn't the act itself but more what it meant: a violation of Chisaki. In terms of the story I think it's meant to show that Ueno & Chisaki, the two leads, always have had a thing for each other. A thing that got warped and perverted, in more ways than one, by said violation. The wound festered and (seemingly) turned gangrenous.
   Spoiler: Mashiro-iro Symphony

   From my recollection the anime was noteworthy because the Tsundere's tsundere-ness works against her. If I'm thinking of the right series she reflects that she killed whatever chance she had by being mean. Similarly, Chisaki & Ueno might have been together if not for a series of bad choices. I think this would make for a deeper story. What could have been.
   🫠
4. It is increasingly being presented that Ueno has two halves. At the same time it's being presented, due to pov bias, that Ueno needs to rid himself of the "old" Ueno. But I think it would be better and more accurate for healing if, instead of distancing himself from the other he instead merges with it. Part of his angst is his rejection of the "pervert" Ueno. But such self-loathing isn't the healthy answer. Instead it's about finding a way to be happy with himself. 🧐 And it just so happens that the story has already shown a way, at least from my recollection:
5. The only time Ueno has been shown to have had a fun time is with Tsubomi (when they were playing with toys).🥳

So in summary: Tsubomi best girl.
It's not too late.