Usogui - Vol. 29 Ch. 311 - Boss & Boss
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Let me remind you all that I called from Leader first appearance that he definitely has something going with Usogui way beyond their surpassing the leader game. Except maybe the one who had a relationship with Usogui was Hachina, not Kiruma Soichi. Well, who knows. My impression always was that Leader was TOO insistent in saying he didnt remember nor care about Usogui, all while avoiding the decision of killing him.
Let me remind you all that I called from Leader first appearance that he definitely has something going with Usogui way beyond their surpassing the leader game. Except maybe the one who had a relationship with Usogui was Hachina, not Kiruma Soichi. Well, who knows. My impression always was that Leader was TOO insistent in saying he didnt remember nor care about Usogui, all while avoiding the decision of killing him.
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Very interesting chapter. There's a lot of things that we're left to think about after it.
@catx3 Seems we were pretty close after all, Hachina did plan for Gakuto to die on the ship. I figure he decided against it after the course of the game itself, which was the trouble he was referring to in his thoughts during chapter 309. Regardless, it seems he has more plans for Gakuto now and is moving on with manipulating him, since Hachina should still be going off of Eba's teachings.
The phone call is also very interesting. Hachina's now realized he's the Leader of Kakerou, if he truly had no idea up until this point. More importantly, imo, he's not aware of Baku's title of Usogui. Whether or not he knows of Baku specifically though, I can't say. He could have been reacting to the whole surpassing the leader matter, or to Baku being the one to do it.
I wonder what's at the bookstore. Maybe it's tied to Eba?
@catx3 Seems we were pretty close after all, Hachina did plan for Gakuto to die on the ship. I figure he decided against it after the course of the game itself, which was the trouble he was referring to in his thoughts during chapter 309. Regardless, it seems he has more plans for Gakuto now and is moving on with manipulating him, since Hachina should still be going off of Eba's teachings.
The phone call is also very interesting. Hachina's now realized he's the Leader of Kakerou, if he truly had no idea up until this point. More importantly, imo, he's not aware of Baku's title of Usogui. Whether or not he knows of Baku specifically though, I can't say. He could have been reacting to the whole surpassing the leader matter, or to Baku being the one to do it.
I wonder what's at the bookstore. Maybe it's tied to Eba?
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Oh my goodness, the bromance... Is Gakuto going to be Hachina's Kaji? I can't believe I even get this excited in the epilogue chapters to the gambles. I love this manga so much!
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So... he definitely knows who Baku is, but the name "Usogui" was unfamiliar; it was the comment on "surpassing the leader" that made him think of Baku, and, given his reaction, it seems like their relationship is indeed more than meets the eye.
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I think It’s because Ideal’s boss mentioned Baku’s name in page5.
I think It’s because Ideal’s boss mentioned Baku’s name in page5.
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@belkrax Same here, but it was all night for me. Nice call, haha.
@Veshv I would usually be inclined to agree on Hachina wanting to kill Gakuto initially, but if he was planning to kill him anyway, then why take his ID card? It would only make sense if he wanted to leave it somewhere (maybe next to an unidentified corpse, or multiple) in order to fake his death, or if he wanted to use the card for something else, so that makes me think that he was planning to fake his death all along.
There's quite a few things to digest in this chapter. A few small details first: throughout this entire chapter, Hachina has been feeling the effects of the blood loss from his leg wound; I thought it was strange how seemingly fine he was even being underwater for 4 minutes with such a big wound with only a makeshift tourniquet to help him with it, and after that he went on to run around the ship, do tons of things, carry an unconscious Gakuto out, etc. I like the attention to detail in making him realistically exhausted due to the blood loss and pain even if it's afterwards. You can see him breathe heavily during the call with Ideal's leader, and then choosing to sit down. Gakuto then asks him about it, after noticing how pale and sweaty he is. He seems fine at the end of the chapter so he must have gotten a bit better.
Ideal's leader asking Hachina to take the diamonds with him and to wear them basically means he wants to kill him (duh), since he has some kind of fixation on that and finds it unacceptable. I also like how he kept leaking tons of stuff that Hachina may or may not have remembered. He also said that "he wonders who leaked" the information about the diamonds, and if you remember before they got on the ship, Yokoi said that he sensed that there was a grudge or something in Karl's words, that he was leaking the information to Yokoi to harm a competitor; well, Yokoi was half right, Karl did want to leak the information of the smuggling (and maybe the diamonds if he was aware of them) in order to hinder Ideal's leader, since he just took the 50 billion from him and Baku forcefully. Thus he also thought that it was Baku who got his diamonds, but we know that Hachina just opportunistically decided to steal them.
Also, I love how the trend of people leaking things when talking to Hachina while he just acts like he's just acting dumb or being quiet (even though he generally doesn't remember) keeps coming up, and how Hachina instantly adapts to the way of talking of the other person (like when Ideal's leader says "I fed on them, and they fed on me..." and Hachina later saying "they became my food"). Additionally, it seems like Hachina's memories aren't completely lost, given that he has a "feeling" for things he shouldn't technically remember. Like Kakerou having achieved something "big" recently (the creation of ACIA, although less recent, and the achievement of the Karamete), and how I'm fairly certain he doesn't remember Baku or his Usogui title, but his name still jumps out at him and gives him a certain feeling that implies that they have or had some kind of relationship. But that was before the first surpassing the leader, since he was also surprised at that, and at him being the leader of Kakerou. I also think the bookstore is probably related to Eba, since he was a professor, it seems.
Edit: Fuck, I knew I had forgotten to mention something. Last chapter they said that there was an unidentified japanese male on the ship; someone said it was Kidou, but I would find it weird for him to be unidentified? His body seemed to be in relatively decent condition after being killed, so unless the body was further damaged by the ship sinking, he should still be identifiable. Hachina said that he was planning on luring out the wire puller from the MOD with faking Gakuto's death, so what I think is that they found Gakuto's ID and jacket, planned to pin the smuggling and everything on him, and covered up his identity to the media in order to avoid a scandal, which means Hachina's plan is working.
@Veshv I would usually be inclined to agree on Hachina wanting to kill Gakuto initially, but if he was planning to kill him anyway, then why take his ID card? It would only make sense if he wanted to leave it somewhere (maybe next to an unidentified corpse, or multiple) in order to fake his death, or if he wanted to use the card for something else, so that makes me think that he was planning to fake his death all along.
There's quite a few things to digest in this chapter. A few small details first: throughout this entire chapter, Hachina has been feeling the effects of the blood loss from his leg wound; I thought it was strange how seemingly fine he was even being underwater for 4 minutes with such a big wound with only a makeshift tourniquet to help him with it, and after that he went on to run around the ship, do tons of things, carry an unconscious Gakuto out, etc. I like the attention to detail in making him realistically exhausted due to the blood loss and pain even if it's afterwards. You can see him breathe heavily during the call with Ideal's leader, and then choosing to sit down. Gakuto then asks him about it, after noticing how pale and sweaty he is. He seems fine at the end of the chapter so he must have gotten a bit better.
Ideal's leader asking Hachina to take the diamonds with him and to wear them basically means he wants to kill him (duh), since he has some kind of fixation on that and finds it unacceptable. I also like how he kept leaking tons of stuff that Hachina may or may not have remembered. He also said that "he wonders who leaked" the information about the diamonds, and if you remember before they got on the ship, Yokoi said that he sensed that there was a grudge or something in Karl's words, that he was leaking the information to Yokoi to harm a competitor; well, Yokoi was half right, Karl did want to leak the information of the smuggling (and maybe the diamonds if he was aware of them) in order to hinder Ideal's leader, since he just took the 50 billion from him and Baku forcefully. Thus he also thought that it was Baku who got his diamonds, but we know that Hachina just opportunistically decided to steal them.
Also, I love how the trend of people leaking things when talking to Hachina while he just acts like he's just acting dumb or being quiet (even though he generally doesn't remember) keeps coming up, and how Hachina instantly adapts to the way of talking of the other person (like when Ideal's leader says "I fed on them, and they fed on me..." and Hachina later saying "they became my food"). Additionally, it seems like Hachina's memories aren't completely lost, given that he has a "feeling" for things he shouldn't technically remember. Like Kakerou having achieved something "big" recently (the creation of ACIA, although less recent, and the achievement of the Karamete), and how I'm fairly certain he doesn't remember Baku or his Usogui title, but his name still jumps out at him and gives him a certain feeling that implies that they have or had some kind of relationship. But that was before the first surpassing the leader, since he was also surprised at that, and at him being the leader of Kakerou. I also think the bookstore is probably related to Eba, since he was a professor, it seems.
Edit: Fuck, I knew I had forgotten to mention something. Last chapter they said that there was an unidentified japanese male on the ship; someone said it was Kidou, but I would find it weird for him to be unidentified? His body seemed to be in relatively decent condition after being killed, so unless the body was further damaged by the ship sinking, he should still be identifiable. Hachina said that he was planning on luring out the wire puller from the MOD with faking Gakuto's death, so what I think is that they found Gakuto's ID and jacket, planned to pin the smuggling and everything on him, and covered up his identity to the media in order to avoid a scandal, which means Hachina's plan is working.
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I think the 'trouble' comment was more about Hachina knowing that Mogami was ignoring him on purpose, despite seeing through his disguise. Not 100% sure if she saw through it, but Voja and Hachina were wearing different shoes, and Hachina didn't wear her shoes in that scene (since Voja sank with her shoes).
edit: Looking back actually, she didn't sink with her shoes. But Hachina still didn't get her shoes, I suppose he didn't have enough time with all the things he had to do.
I'm still 50/50 as to whether he intended to kill Gakuto or not. I think it's possible that he did intend to, but was touched by Gakuto's justice and spirit, based on his comments in the car before the game, versus in this chapter. There was also a weird comment where he thought "I'm sorry" when Gakuto when he was talking about his country pride. On the other hand, I don't think he would go against his word about 'helping Gakuto' after he was helped by him, so I'm leaning towards that he was always aiming to fake his death.
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That diamond comment from the leader was hilarious. About Hachina adapting to conversations, I wonder when or if someone will catch him slipping by lying to him about something, as he seems to accept things as facts almost too easily. Is he just good at telling when someone is lying, or is that quality what the Judge feared when he realized the leader lost his memory? It could be a side effect from all that memory loss and regaining. Him vaguely remembering things is also interesting as well, not sure what to make of it.
That Karl-competitor thing is a good observation! Man, it's definitely too easy to take things at face value in this manga.
About Kidou being unidentified, it's probably because Hachina took his wallet when he won the creamer gamble, so he lost any ID that he had. Though his face is clearly different from what should be on Gakuto's ID, so I agree that it was probably covered up at this point by the wire puller.
I think the 'trouble' comment was more about Hachina knowing that Mogami was ignoring him on purpose, despite seeing through his disguise. Not 100% sure if she saw through it, but Voja and Hachina were wearing different shoes, and Hachina didn't wear her shoes in that scene (since Voja sank with her shoes).
edit: Looking back actually, she didn't sink with her shoes. But Hachina still didn't get her shoes, I suppose he didn't have enough time with all the things he had to do.
I'm still 50/50 as to whether he intended to kill Gakuto or not. I think it's possible that he did intend to, but was touched by Gakuto's justice and spirit, based on his comments in the car before the game, versus in this chapter. There was also a weird comment where he thought "I'm sorry" when Gakuto when he was talking about his country pride. On the other hand, I don't think he would go against his word about 'helping Gakuto' after he was helped by him, so I'm leaning towards that he was always aiming to fake his death.
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That diamond comment from the leader was hilarious. About Hachina adapting to conversations, I wonder when or if someone will catch him slipping by lying to him about something, as he seems to accept things as facts almost too easily. Is he just good at telling when someone is lying, or is that quality what the Judge feared when he realized the leader lost his memory? It could be a side effect from all that memory loss and regaining. Him vaguely remembering things is also interesting as well, not sure what to make of it.
That Karl-competitor thing is a good observation! Man, it's definitely too easy to take things at face value in this manga.
About Kidou being unidentified, it's probably because Hachina took his wallet when he won the creamer gamble, so he lost any ID that he had. Though his face is clearly different from what should be on Gakuto's ID, so I agree that it was probably covered up at this point by the wire puller.
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I wish the leader of Kakerou would look at ME like that...
I didn't consider that Hachina might have intended to kill Gakuto for real. It's an interesting theory. I think it's pretty nebulous and could be looked at either way. It's possible that the reward for passing the "test" and his performance in the gamble was that Hachina would save him and continue to use him. But something about that doesn't seem right either; Hachina is so good at reading people and predicting how things would go, I think he would know how it would turn out and had already made moves to simply fake his death. It's interesting that they use "the help was never coming" as some kind of dramatic reveal; didn't Hachina tell Gakuto that before he accepted the gamble? Maybe it was more definitive, as perhaps a warning that his partner might have not had his best interests at heart.
One other thing to note is the end of this chapter. Hachina says he wants to continue being the Hachina Gakuto knows a little longer...meaning maybe he doesn't want to get his memories back right now. I wonder if there's a battle of wills there, between "Souichi" and "Hachina", and Hachina wants to stay with Gakuto and keep working on this before having to return to being Souichi, Leader of Kakerou.
I didn't consider that Hachina might have intended to kill Gakuto for real. It's an interesting theory. I think it's pretty nebulous and could be looked at either way. It's possible that the reward for passing the "test" and his performance in the gamble was that Hachina would save him and continue to use him. But something about that doesn't seem right either; Hachina is so good at reading people and predicting how things would go, I think he would know how it would turn out and had already made moves to simply fake his death. It's interesting that they use "the help was never coming" as some kind of dramatic reveal; didn't Hachina tell Gakuto that before he accepted the gamble? Maybe it was more definitive, as perhaps a warning that his partner might have not had his best interests at heart.
One other thing to note is the end of this chapter. Hachina says he wants to continue being the Hachina Gakuto knows a little longer...meaning maybe he doesn't want to get his memories back right now. I wonder if there's a battle of wills there, between "Souichi" and "Hachina", and Hachina wants to stay with Gakuto and keep working on this before having to return to being Souichi, Leader of Kakerou.
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