Usogui - Vol. 29 Ch. 312 - Deja Vu
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The fated meeting (2nd time). So Eba's public identity really was a professor. So I'm guessing since Eba is already dead, Baku somehow caught wind of the process and set it up as a way to get in contact with Souichi in case he lost his memories, knowing that he would try to get in contact with Eba. Exciting. Young Hachina looks... As refined as he does now, but young Baku looks way wilder.
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Love how his eyepatch has the snack he always eats lol, what does it say in the middle ?
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I wonder how many times Souichi has had to go through this process. From this chapter alone it seems at least 3? Speaking of which, I'm kinda curious if there was some significance to that brief flashback of him asking for the book. Souichi did look around the same age as he does now in it...
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Oh damn, Hachina and Baku are at last meeting face to face (again?)! I'm not sure what to expect from their conversation at all here. If Baku is here specifically because The Prince Bee got ordered, then it's likely he's already aware of Hachina's memory losses. Also, I wonder what the badge on Hachina in the past was. A school badge of some sort? Did Hachina even actually go to school?
@saxifraga It's literally this time's order, I believe. The point is to show that this isn't happening literally hours after the battleship arc, and if Baku did get a hold of Eba's special method to contact leader, establish his reason for showing up to this random bookstore.
@saxifraga It's literally this time's order, I believe. The point is to show that this isn't happening literally hours after the battleship arc, and if Baku did get a hold of Eba's special method to contact leader, establish his reason for showing up to this random bookstore.
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I like that observation about wild vs refined. Looking closely, I realized that Baku and Hachina have a lot of opposing design elements.
-Both present and past have opposing outfit colors (black and white, and they reversed colors in the present)
-Baku's white hair vs Hachina's black hair, also wild vs proper as you mentioned
-Past Hachina wearing what looks like a private school uniform, while Past Baku is wearing some sort of thug outfit (lol).
I wonder if their first meeting was also a setup, and not actually their first meeting? It seems a bit too coincidental that he happened to be there at such a crucial moment.
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Hm, that's an interesting point of Hachina even going to school, since he was tutored. Maybe he's going to a super prestigious place? I'm assuming he's around 15 (reason below), but probably in university since he's a genius, so I looked up some famous university logos, but couldn't find anything that matches it. The logo seems to resemble a western university or agency.
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Some other observations in this chapter:
-The flashback seems to be set in around 1998, due to the Nagano Olympics poster and Game Boy Color poster (GBC was released in 1998). We know that the Surpassing the Leader game happened in April 2001, so we're likely in-between those two dates, perhaps ~2.5 years before the game happened.
-In a way earlier chapter, it was mentioned that Baku was 15 when he started winning Kakerou matches. So he's probably near that age in this flashback, and I'm assuming that Hachina's age is similar. Depending on if Hachina remembers Baku or not, we can see how far his memory regressed. If he doesn't remember Baku, then that means during the battleship arc, he was basically under 15 years old in terms of mental age, and still casually manipulating everyone.
-Baku's past outfit seems to have the manga's logo on it? I think this is the first time the logo has appeared in the manga.
I like that observation about wild vs refined. Looking closely, I realized that Baku and Hachina have a lot of opposing design elements.
-Both present and past have opposing outfit colors (black and white, and they reversed colors in the present)
-Baku's white hair vs Hachina's black hair, also wild vs proper as you mentioned
-Past Hachina wearing what looks like a private school uniform, while Past Baku is wearing some sort of thug outfit (lol).
I wonder if their first meeting was also a setup, and not actually their first meeting? It seems a bit too coincidental that he happened to be there at such a crucial moment.
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Hm, that's an interesting point of Hachina even going to school, since he was tutored. Maybe he's going to a super prestigious place? I'm assuming he's around 15 (reason below), but probably in university since he's a genius, so I looked up some famous university logos, but couldn't find anything that matches it. The logo seems to resemble a western university or agency.
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Some other observations in this chapter:
-The flashback seems to be set in around 1998, due to the Nagano Olympics poster and Game Boy Color poster (GBC was released in 1998). We know that the Surpassing the Leader game happened in April 2001, so we're likely in-between those two dates, perhaps ~2.5 years before the game happened.
-In a way earlier chapter, it was mentioned that Baku was 15 when he started winning Kakerou matches. So he's probably near that age in this flashback, and I'm assuming that Hachina's age is similar. Depending on if Hachina remembers Baku or not, we can see how far his memory regressed. If he doesn't remember Baku, then that means during the battleship arc, he was basically under 15 years old in terms of mental age, and still casually manipulating everyone.
-Baku's past outfit seems to have the manga's logo on it? I think this is the first time the logo has appeared in the manga.
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@catx3 Do we know the specifics behind Hachina's memory loss? I seem to recall it being a full wipe between the last thing he remembers and the present moment, but I'm not sure where I got that fact from. Does he instead maybe lose specific memories and keep some? If it's a full wipe, I wonder why Eba had faith in the contact memory never being wiped.
Based on your estimate of when it happened, I wonder if this Baku is already a Kakerou gambler, or if Hachina is a catalyst for him becoming one. Hopefully this gets answered before we get thrown into the next gamble match.
Based on your estimate of when it happened, I wonder if this Baku is already a Kakerou gambler, or if Hachina is a catalyst for him becoming one. Hopefully this gets answered before we get thrown into the next gamble match.
Question:
1. Why someone like Hachina calibre, didnt realize some referee already aware of his memory loss, so referee no 3 chase him before
2. Why he didnt go to bookstore before? Theres few days gap after he went away from police department and went to the ship
1. Why someone like Hachina calibre, didnt realize some referee already aware of his memory loss, so referee no 3 chase him before
2. Why he didnt go to bookstore before? Theres few days gap after he went away from police department and went to the ship
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2. He was wearing the star shirt when he ordered the book(page 5), it means it was during the 3 days when Hachina lived with Gakuto(chapter 273).
And now he's here to take the book that should have arrived.
2. He was wearing the star shirt when he ordered the book(page 5), it means it was during the 3 days when Hachina lived with Gakuto(chapter 273).
And now he's here to take the book that should have arrived.
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Mystery of Baku's and Souchi's (Hachinaaaaa) relationship intensifies. I really hope it's not something lame like they were childhood friends but Souchi forgot about Baku. But given how epic this manga has been (been - bee - Hachinaaaaa) so far, I doubt it.
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I lol'ed when the random campaign(?) vehicle just started blaring out the "theme" of this chapter. I really liked it this time since instead of just showing various imagery relating to whatever the author wants to preach about, it led directly to an overlapping flashback of sorts. A very nifty way to handle the reveal.
I want to say the flashback is the first meeting and it truly was by chance because it seems more exciting if it feels like a 'lucky' moment in a gambling manga. But thinking of Baku just haphazardly looking for The Prince Bee is too funny on its own, so it really feels like there's some puppeteering in the shadows.
The flashback meeting pumps some steam into @belkrax 's idea that Baku & Souichi had a positive relationship, though I'd still put a damper on them colluding even slightly, mostly out of personal taste. I would prefer the idea that they're friendly rivals and that Baku has put the memory-loss behavior puzzle pieces together and simply gambled on that when he lost (threw) the surpassing the leader game.
I find it interesting that this huge window must have overlapped prior memory losses. It would be so enormous that one of the things that Souichi could ascertain was roughly how much time has passed since his most recent memory and the current day on the calendar. He may consequently question Eba's status and be able to figure out that he was dead before enacting the instructions. It's a crapshoot, but if this were the case, I do wonder why he bothered at all. I like to think that he remembers Baku and did the Prince Bee ploy to meet with him instead of Eba. Unfortunately for this idea he would have to figure that Baku knew about the ploy as well. Ah, but at least I had fun conjuring the train of thought.
Getting spoiled with these quickfire releases, but I don't have the guts or remotest desire to tell you folks to slow down.
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I want to say the flashback is the first meeting and it truly was by chance because it seems more exciting if it feels like a 'lucky' moment in a gambling manga. But thinking of Baku just haphazardly looking for The Prince Bee is too funny on its own, so it really feels like there's some puppeteering in the shadows.
The flashback meeting pumps some steam into @belkrax 's idea that Baku & Souichi had a positive relationship, though I'd still put a damper on them colluding even slightly, mostly out of personal taste. I would prefer the idea that they're friendly rivals and that Baku has put the memory-loss behavior puzzle pieces together and simply gambled on that when he lost (threw) the surpassing the leader game.
I find it interesting that this huge window must have overlapped prior memory losses. It would be so enormous that one of the things that Souichi could ascertain was roughly how much time has passed since his most recent memory and the current day on the calendar. He may consequently question Eba's status and be able to figure out that he was dead before enacting the instructions. It's a crapshoot, but if this were the case, I do wonder why he bothered at all. I like to think that he remembers Baku and did the Prince Bee ploy to meet with him instead of Eba. Unfortunately for this idea he would have to figure that Baku knew about the ploy as well. Ah, but at least I had fun conjuring the train of thought.
Getting spoiled with these quickfire releases, but I don't have the guts or remotest desire to tell you folks to slow down.
Many thanks to Team Duwang.
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No, I don't think it was outright stated whether it was a full wipe vs scattered wipe. Looking back at c270p9, the Judge sort of implies that a scattered wipe was a possibility, when he says "This is different from usual!! // Not to mention Nanpou, even me... // If it's just me, then it's fine". Although he could also have been talking about a full wipe that 'only leads up to him', rather it being 'just him'. I think based on how he regains his memory and how they talk about it after, I'm leaning towards full wipe. Also, if it was scattered, then perhaps Hachina would've mentioned or used some of those memories by now.
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1. That's a good question. We don't know the answer right now, so we can only speculate, but I recall that the Judge said that the Leader might not ever come back to Kakerou, as a result of this memory loss + Eba & Tatsuki being dead. Based on how serious the Judge was at chasing Hachina, I think Hachina could tell that perhaps he knew that the Judge knew, but still ran away anyways.
Two theories I have:
a) Maybe Hachina never wanted to be the leader of Kakerou, but perhaps through a private chance meeting with Baku, he changes his mind? And since nobody alive knows about that memory, he won't regain the memory that lead to him wanting to be the leader of Kakerou. (And presumably, he didn't tell anyone else the reason why he became Leader).
b) He might be overly concerned with being given fake memories by someone untrustworthy, which may lead him to be manipulated or to make a fatal mistake. Eba did tell him to not trust referees, after all. It's even possible that when he was 'Leader' he had false memories inside him already, and was being manipulated to be the Leader. Also, even if the Judge was trustworthy in his past memories, he might have thought that he could have turned malicious in the lost time frame. Since he had no way to tell, it's better to play it safe and gather information on his own.
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sidenote: Rereading c270 made me realize that Hachina's physical abilities were already foreshadowed here, since he managed to outrun two referees (although he had a head start).
No, I don't think it was outright stated whether it was a full wipe vs scattered wipe. Looking back at c270p9, the Judge sort of implies that a scattered wipe was a possibility, when he says "This is different from usual!! // Not to mention Nanpou, even me... // If it's just me, then it's fine". Although he could also have been talking about a full wipe that 'only leads up to him', rather it being 'just him'. I think based on how he regains his memory and how they talk about it after, I'm leaning towards full wipe. Also, if it was scattered, then perhaps Hachina would've mentioned or used some of those memories by now.
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1. That's a good question. We don't know the answer right now, so we can only speculate, but I recall that the Judge said that the Leader might not ever come back to Kakerou, as a result of this memory loss + Eba & Tatsuki being dead. Based on how serious the Judge was at chasing Hachina, I think Hachina could tell that perhaps he knew that the Judge knew, but still ran away anyways.
Two theories I have:
a) Maybe Hachina never wanted to be the leader of Kakerou, but perhaps through a private chance meeting with Baku, he changes his mind? And since nobody alive knows about that memory, he won't regain the memory that lead to him wanting to be the leader of Kakerou. (And presumably, he didn't tell anyone else the reason why he became Leader).
b) He might be overly concerned with being given fake memories by someone untrustworthy, which may lead him to be manipulated or to make a fatal mistake. Eba did tell him to not trust referees, after all. It's even possible that when he was 'Leader' he had false memories inside him already, and was being manipulated to be the Leader. Also, even if the Judge was trustworthy in his past memories, he might have thought that he could have turned malicious in the lost time frame. Since he had no way to tell, it's better to play it safe and gather information on his own.
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sidenote: Rereading c270 made me realize that Hachina's physical abilities were already foreshadowed here, since he managed to outrun two referees (although he had a head start).
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@catx3 With you bringing up Hachina's worries, it got me thinking. What if Eba himself was giving Hachina fake memories? Maybe Eba "brainwashed" Hachina into being the Leader during one of his memory losses when Tatsuki wanted to go back to being a referee? I don't know if it's all that likely, but it's an interesting (and possible) prospect.
