Vigilante - Ch. 79

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Man, murdercop doesn't disappoint, really sent him to the ICU lol

Yep, and his logic last chapter wasn't as flawed as Gang Ok thinks, in my opinion. I do agree that Ji Young won the war of words, though, and I like that he managed to make even a zealot like Jo Heon waver.

And while typesetting, I was wondering whether I should have added a note saying that Achilles and Patroclus were considered lovers even in Ancient Greece (though not described as such in the Iliad).
 
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"how about stop stop just talking the talk and start walking the walk?" This stuff hits hard :V
 
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Bro compared them to Achilles and Patroclus. If he ain't gay for our boy then idk what he is.

The only reason I didn't add a note about that when I typeset the chapter is that if the author only knows Achilles and Patroclus from hearsay or films, he might have been unaware of the full story.
 
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Yep, and his logic last chapter wasn't as flawed as Gang Ok thinks, in my opinion. I do agree that Ji Young won the war of words, though, and I like that he managed to make even a zealot like Jo Heon waver.

And while typesetting, I was wondering whether I should have added a note saying that Achilles and Patroclus were considered lovers even in Ancient Greece (though not described as such in the Iliad).
I'd actually say senior's whole spiel was quite flawed, as it's essentially just "since you seek justice, you should be a good cop, which i know you could be, if you weren't also out of control", ignoring the fact that no matter how good at heart a cop is, he is ultimately a lap dog of the ones above him.
Just look at how murdercop is running errands for corrupt trash and yet thinks it makes sense to chastise MC even though at heart he agrees with MC, pure stupid human tendency to stick with the status quo.
If MC followed senior's advice, there would be nobody to punish the ones above senior, who are stopping him from being a good cop.

I think ultimately thats why imilante says he creamed him logically and ethically. It's not so much a critique of his words in a vacuum, but a critique of his nonsensical and hypocritical approach to the matter. You can tell murdercop wants to do good, but he's actually a tool for evil, and considering how fucking good he is at his job, lots and lots of evil.
 
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I'd actually say senior's whole spiel was quite flawed, as it's essentially just "since you seek justice, you should be a good cop, which i know you could be, if you weren't also out of control", ignoring the fact that no matter how good at heart a cop is, he is ultimately a lap dog of the ones above him.
Just look at how murdercop is running errands for corrupt trash and yet thinks it makes sense to chastise MC even though at heart he agrees with MC, pure stupid human tendency to stick with the status quo.
If MC followed senior's advice, there would be nobody to punish the ones above senior, who are stopping him from being a good cop.

I think ultimately thats why imilante says he creamed him logically and ethically. It's not so much a critique of his words in a vacuum, but a critique of his nonsensical and hypocritical approach to the matter. You can tell murdercop wants to do good, but he's actually a tool for evil, and considering how fucking good he is at his job, lots and lots of evil.

All that is true, but what I'm saying is that Jo Heon isn't really that much of an hypocrite as Ji Young says: he knows there are evildoers in the government and the police, and he admits that Ji Young's morals aren't wrong. But the "traitor" line he takes shows again what he is: a black-ops type with complete, unalloyed loyalty to the state he serves. He's the kind, as he says, whose life acquires meaning from serving the state as a structure supported by society. Warts and all, so to speak: he thinks it's overall better to work for the state, even with its flaws, than to subvert it even with the loftiest of goals.

Yes, there's a subtle self-deception here because once you accept some warts, where do you draw the line? What must the Field Rat do for Jo Heon to finally think, "this is unacceptable"? That's why Ji Young's logic triumphs in the end: he wants to correct - in his own logic - the flaws of the system, while Jo Heon wants to tolerate them, even though for him Ji Young's behaviour is unacceptable. Jo Heon is the kind who would kill innocent people to prop up the state, whereas Ji Young seems disgusted by the very idea of hurting anyone who doesn't meet his criteria. (Except for the Imilante, but that's another story.)
 
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All that is true, but what I'm saying is that Jo Heon isn't really that much of an hypocrite as Ji Young says: he knows there are evildoers in the government and the police, and he admits that Ji Young's morals aren't wrong. But the "traitor" line he takes shows again what he is: a black-ops type with complete, unalloyed loyalty to the state he serves. He's the kind, as he says, whose life acquires meaning from serving the state as a structure supported by society. Warts and all, so to speak: he thinks it's overall better to work for the state, even with its flaws, than to subvert it even with the loftiest of goals.

Yes, there's a subtle self-deception here because once you accept some warts, where do you draw the line? What must the Field Rat do for Jo Heon to finally think, "this is unacceptable"? That's why Ji Young's logic triumphs in the end: he wants to correct - in his own logic - the flaws of the system, while Jo Heon wants to tolerate them, even though for him Ji Young's behaviour is unacceptable. Jo Heon is the kind who would kill innocent people to prop up the state, whereas Ji Young seems disgusted by the very idea of hurting anyone who doesn't meet his criteria. (Except for the Imilante, but that's another story.)
I didn't consider this aspect of murdercop as someone who enjoys his job not necessarily because he's doing a a good thing, but because he sees himself as an agent of order, and an upholder of law.
Put through the lens of the loyal soldier, he does seem a bit more reasonable, or at least less of an hypocrite.
There's still the hypocrisy of accusing him of going out of control in a ways that goes against the state, when his higher ups literally spend their entire lives pilfering the state like a bunch of bloody disease-ridden leeches.

Thank you for the context on his character, i wasn't quite getting him right i guess, thinking of him as a different shade of order-loving vigilante when he's really more lawful good, with big emphasis on the lawful.
 

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