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[ssj4maiko]

I think people are mistaking MC into being OP, but he is not.

Souta and Kano reached Level 19, but although that's well above the world's average, that's not the highest by any means.

Many adventurers are stronger than that, hell, the Student Council President is likely stronger than that, and even those "slaves" from Otoha could be stronger too.

So if Souta does something against a criminal organization, it's not like punching some random guys is a hit against the entire organization. Also, the status settings don't exist far away from the dungeon, meaning that if he is at home, he is not super human, and just a bunch of black suits with pistols are more than enough to kill the whole family, and these influential nobles can do a lot of stuff and remain unpunished.

So this is not one of those swords and magic isekai where you get slaves, sex at 15 years old, and human rights don't exist so you can kill all bandits you meet.

All that the players can do is access to stronger abilities (that also require much more MP) and they also know about game mechanics unknown in the world, but this information can be easily spread among others, and they can learn everything themselves. Kano is one such example, the group that learned about the new castle in Floor 7 where Souta and Kano were attacked is also an example of player interference, and talking to Akagi about the special sword, and warning the other guy against that sword.

Certainly Souta is stronger than members of Class D, C and like B, but Class A could still be stronger than him in level numbers, although he would be a better fighter since, unlike the natives who can die only once, the players were able to create fighting abilities after tons of trials and failures, since there was no risk of permanent death.

Spoiler

But don't worry, Kano does get some fun overpowering revenge against the leader of said organization.

 

[thomasce]

I think people are mistaking MC into being OP, but he is not.

Souta and Kano reached Level 19, but although that's well above the world's average, that's not the highest by any means.

Many adventurers are stronger than that, hell, the Student Council President is likely stronger than that, and even those "slaves" from Otoha could be stronger too.

So if Souta does something against a criminal organization, it's not like punching some random guys is a hit against the entire organization. Also, the status settings don't exist far away from the dungeon, meaning that if he is at home, he is not super human, and just a bunch of black suits with pistols are more than enough to kill the whole family, and these influential nobles can do a lot of stuff and remain unpunished.

So this is not one of those swords and magic isekai where you get slaves, sex at 15 years old, and human rights don't exist so you can kill all bandits you meet.

All that the players can do is access to stronger abilities (that also require much more MP) and they also know about game mechanics unknown in the world, but this information can be easily spread among others, and they can learn everything themselves. Kano is one such example, the group that learned about the new castle in Floor 7 where Souta and Kano were attacked is also an example of player interference, and talking to Akagi about the special sword, and warning the other guy against that sword.

Certainly Souta is stronger than members of Class D, C and like B, but Class A could still be stronger than him in level numbers, although he would be a better fighter since, unlike the natives who can die only once, the players were able to create fighting abilities after tons of trials and failures, since there was no risk of permanent death.

Spoiler

But don't worry, Kano does get some fun overpowering revenge against the leader of said organization.

He's OP, he has far more skill slots than anyone else and the skills he has access to from being a player are high leveled skills that NPC's can't even reach like Overdrive, Blade of Agares, Void Shock Slash and others he also has Jormungadr a dragon summon he hasn't managed to use yet.
On top of that he also has his normal skills which are 11 so basically it's like running around with two builds in the same character.

Kano does not kill him so he will come back later as the leader of the ninja clan said that now the retired leader has come back and one of the affiliated colors clan are also joining.

 

[kyliee090]

Honestly just gonna drop this until it has like 60+ chapters out because the pacing just feels fucking awful. I get that it's a slow burner but we've basically just been stacking loose end on top of loose end for 30 chapters now, the MC has had 0 character development besides gaining 19 levels - he's still a wishywashy pushover that leaves you feeling murky because you know eventually he's gonna do the MC thing "because he's the MC so of course" instead of actively showing improvement in any area, and every side character is still stuck in a rut of sorts.

Yeah he's not OP (or rather, conditional OP), but he's probably strong enough to take on class D's top rung by now? Still acting like a coward while others around him suffer - which again, would be perfectly fine if you didn't know he's going to do something about it eventually just because he's the MC and it's that kind of story.

Literally just chapter after chapter just feeling murky after finishing it because nobody takes a step forward including the story, for 31 chapters now. Absolutely awful to read on a release by release basis instead of waiting until it has a shitload of chapters out and reading in bulk past the opening.

 

[Kshatria]

He does it a lot.

he did?? damn.... another negative point
wtf author...

 

[thomasce]

Honestly just gonna drop this until it has like 60+ chapters out because the pacing just feels fucking awful. I get that it's a slow burner but we've basically just been stacking loose end on top of loose end for 30 chapters now, the MC has had 0 character development besides gaining 19 levels - he's still a wishywashy pushover that leaves you feeling murky because you know eventually he's gonna do the MC thing "because he's the MC so of course" instead of actively showing improvement in any area, and every side character is still stuck in a rut of sorts.

Yeah he's not OP (or rather, conditional OP), but he's probably strong enough to take on class D's top rung by now? Still acting like a coward while others around him suffer - which again, would be perfectly fine if you didn't know he's going to do something about it eventually just because he's the MC and it's that kind of story.

Literally just chapter after chapter just feeling murky after finishing it because nobody takes a step forward including the story, for 31 chapters now. Absolutely awful to read on a release by release basis instead of waiting until it has a shitload of chapters out and reading in bulk past the opening.

It's even worse since, I'm up-to-date with the WN/LN and everything so far feels like just a prologue.
Everything that happened until now (4 LN volume) and 5 (WN arcs) happened in two months and half with very little happening except that he managed to introduce everyone and their motivations. But MC stills the same pathetic pushover with even more reasons to continue acting like. (with no goals whatsoever, the story is destroyed already thanks to the other player actions)
The only difference is that

Spoiler: SPOILER

Everyone around him except for the rest of his classmates and the other player who's dumb as hell and hasn't figured it out despite several evidences that he's a player.
Tachiki (Nerd four-eyes) knows that he's strong, otherwise he would not be called by the student council president nor would be friends with Risa. Kaoru suspects that he's strong and is hiding something and is trying to get closer to him, she often calls him to go to the dungeon together and even try to become his partner during training sessions, but he is always refusing.
Another heroine Kuga is his partner when it comes to the dungeon and even made a bento for him and so on...

 

[kyliee090]

It's even worse since, I'm up-to-date with the WN/LN and everything so far feels like just a prologue.
Everything that happened until now (4 LN volume) and 5 (WN arcs) happened in two months and half with very little happening except that he managed to introduce everyone and their motivations. But MC stills the same pathetic pushover with even more reasons to continue acting like. (with no goals whatsoever, the story is destroyed already thanks to the other player actions)
The only difference is that

Spoiler: SPOILER

Everyone around him except for the rest of his classmates and the other player who's dumb as hell and hasn't figured it out despite several evidences that he's a player.
Tachiki (Nerd four-eyes) knows that he's strong, otherwise he would not be called by the student council president nor would be friends with Risa. Kaoru suspects that he's strong and is hiding something and is trying to get closer to him, she often calls him to go to the dungeon together and even try to become his partner during training sessions, but he is always refusing.
Another heroine Kuga is his partner when it comes to the dungeon and even made a bento for him and so on...

Thanks for the heads up this is even worse than I expected; guess I'll be back at 100+ chapters if the manga version doesn't get axed then lmao..

 

[chendu]

tanks for the food

 

[SilverSour]

Only thing important about this chapter is on the last panel at the last page

 

[Wvyuilsm]

Fanservice because this fucking manga going to shit

 

[hasgan]

I just realize something:This manga... Has a really shitty world building. There's no system that prevent higher class to abuse lower class. And every upper class is tyrant. Wth.

 

[fucknvampire]

Kaoru or whatever has a great body but a terrible personality

 

[Onsokumaru]

I think people are mistaking MC into being OP, but he is not.

Souta and Kano reached Level 19, but although that's well above the world's average, that's not the highest by any means.

Many adventurers are stronger than that, hell, the Student Council President is likely stronger than that, and even those "slaves" from Otoha could be stronger too.

So if Souta does something against a criminal organization, it's not like punching some random guys is a hit against the entire organization. Also, the status settings don't exist far away from the dungeon, meaning that if he is at home, he is not super human, and just a bunch of black suits with pistols are more than enough to kill the whole family, and these influential nobles can do a lot of stuff and remain unpunished.

So this is not one of those swords and magic isekai where you get slaves, sex at 15 years old, and human rights don't exist so you can kill all bandits you meet.

All that the players can do is access to stronger abilities (that also require much more MP) and they also know about game mechanics unknown in the world, but this information can be easily spread among others, and they can learn everything themselves. Kano is one such example, the group that learned about the new castle in Floor 7 where Souta and Kano were attacked is also an example of player interference, and talking to Akagi about the special sword, and warning the other guy against that sword.

Certainly Souta is stronger than members of Class D, C and like B, but Class A could still be stronger than him in level numbers, although he would be a better fighter since, unlike the natives who can die only once, the players were able to create fighting abilities after tons of trials and failures, since there was no risk of permanent death.

Spoiler

But don't worry, Kano does get some fun overpowering revenge against the leader of said organization.

Are you crazy? He has the knowledge of all the game systems and can cast OP high level abilities he should not have access to and can predict the future.
Read "RTA Sousha wa Game Sekai kara Kaerenai" to see how this type of story should be treated.

Max level is 30, so he is well above average and should be max soon, since he knows all the grind spots.

Spoiler

Who cares about the leader, the guy that cut her tendon does not get punished?

 

[ssj4maiko]

Are you crazy? He has the knowledge of all the game systems and can cast OP high level abilities he should not have access to and can predict the future.
Read "RTA Sousha wa Game Sekai kara Kaerenai" to see how this type of story should be treated.

Max level is 30, so he is well above average and should be max soon, since he knows all the grind spots.

Spoiler

Who cares about the leader, the guy that cut her tendon does not get punished?

- Are you crazy?

You are mixing some other story in here, because that's clearly not in this manga.

- He has knowledge of all the game systems

He has knowledge of many, but he could forget stuff, also, just because you know everything, doesn't mean that you would be able to counter attack everything with one single solution.

Think about it like this: Try playing Rock Paper Scissors with someone, you know all the tactics, you know all the executions available, yet, even with all this cheat knowledge, you have 33.3% of losing, winning and reaching a tie. Although you could argue that the other guy also has the cheat knowledge, but both of you know that there is no way to guarantee 100% win with those mechanics. The novel itself also points out that it's not like he knows or is used to everything, for example, he knows about the story following the main character and a custom character, however he has no idea about the female route of the story (which Risa knows about).

This is not one of those stories where players that did everything in a game got isekai'd, he and the other players are great players, but that does not mean they knew everything. He was one of the best players, but Risa is someone who killed him in the game too.

Spoiler

Arthur was also pretty famous as the leader of the Akira fan club, and it's not like they are weaker than "Disaster",

they just have different strengths, although as individuals, "Disaster" could be considered above them overall since he didn't team play.

- can cast OP high level abilities he should not have access

That is indeed one of the few cheats players have in this world, not only him, but also the other players too. However those OP skills require Mana that he does not appropriately have, meaning that they are either reduced, or his body will suffer if he abuses it.

- and can predict the future.

This is one of the main topics of his actions: He wants to ensure that the game story resumes properly exactly for the advantage of learning about the future to be useful. However, there have been changes already, some were his fault, others were not.

- Read "RTA Sousha wa Game Sekai kara Kaerenai" to see how this type of story should be treated.

that's a completely different story, and it's the one you are mistaking this one with.

"DEC" is not a speedrun game, it's essentially something akin to GTA5, you can play a single player game story, and you can play online in sandbox mode to play PVP and stuff. I'm pretty sure there are speedruns of GTA5, with all the tricks and exploits to reach the end of the game as fast as possible, and the runners knows a lot of the game itself for that.

But is there any speedrun on GTA Online? Honest question, I never heard about it.
How exactly do you complete GTA Online? I never played it myself (nor really care about it, but I did play GTA5, yes)

- Max level is 30, so he is well above average and should be max soon, since he knows all the grind spots.

What? Where did you take it? What?
Max Level is 99 iirc, but certainly the natives have it much lower because they don't know they can warp to lower floors, so they take a long time to go in and out for proper training, but the max level of the natives is over 30, maybe 35 or so, for example, the white guy who has already appeared in one of the later translated chapters, that Narumi says is one of the big bosses, is one of those 30+.

In the latest raws from the webnovel Narumi fought some of them, and I think it mentioned he was level 27 then, so where exactly are you taking these imaginary numbers from?

 

[TestAddress]

At this point this is an original manga. Light Novel had Mizuha Todou appear in front of Butao.

They changed it in manga so Kusunoki Kirara, the female side heroine appeared.

Either way the author is so flexible to. Bend. His. Story that soon we may see MC changing according to the whims of fans.

 

[TestAddress]

Max level does not apply to players. It is such that the dungeons in that chapter have only enough EXP to raise you to that bar. Level 30 is like an NPC level cap...

Spoiler: ....

until recently NPC discovery of players. The NPC are now harvesting players.

Max level is 30

 

[TestAddress]

Spoiler: Sorel

Side note: It was also in a chapter previously in manga that made clear on how a side character Kirigiya Sousuke "mad dog" came into contact with the Gates. It was because Kano and Narumi Souta suddenly appeared before Kirigiya Sousuke and his party. By chance Kirigaya and his party run for their lives and went to the gate opened by Souta, but transferred to the entrance of the dungeon. Sanada Yukikage was right that every discovery is made by Players, the "Divines", after all.

 

[Acesouls]

just in case, "Fake" is not a job, but a skill. An initial skill of the Thief job, however, because it had been implemented in an update, it seems to be mostly unknown in this world.

I will also give a hint in that there are more things implemented via update besides just skills and jobs, as content has also been implemented, specially the Female Route using Sakurako as the protagonist with her own story, so considering these developments that are history related, it wouldn't be farfetched to surmise that some of the new DLC content could be known by these people somehow. (Avalon-kun doesn't know the contents of the female history, since the game is technically an eroge and you are supposed to charm the male characters (in VR), so he never cared for that part, but Nitta knows about it)

Imagine that you have a game, and later on you get a new mechanic in an update, and this new mechanic was created in preparation for a new extended lore DLC, because it's relevant to the plot. It would be strange if this necessary mechanic were to be unknown by the new characters of this new plot.

This just makes me think that the world building is shit. A VRMMORPG with 2 playable characters but also a custom character creation in which before isekai MC focuses as dungeon fighter but its actually a Romance game. Are there games like these irl And i completely forgot that their is a female playable which we have not seen scenes her introduction

 

[ssj4maiko]

This just makes me think that the world building is shit. A VRMMORPG with 2 playable characters but also a custom character creation in which before isekai MC focuses as dungeon fighter but its actually a Romance game. Are there games like these irl And i completely forgot that their is a female playable which we have not seen scenes her introduction

If you are going to ask "is there a game like this", 99% of the isekai novels would be non-sense, besides, you forget the VR Game point of this game that you need to do manual activation through movements to decrease the MP consumption. does this mean that half the world has VR on their PCs?

If you think about it, there are isekai novels with super hard game that is an absolute success and not P2W, it's almost like if Dark Souls was more successful than Call of Duty or Battlefield or "whatever the kids like these days". Same thing for the isekai otome game genre.

At least there are some isekai novels who admit that the fictional game was niche or had a small cult following.

There is the fact that Adventure/Visual Novel-like games are very common in Japan, thus if you, a western orc were to ask "How can that be a success!?", then you should ask yourself "Why am I reading a Japanese manga instead of our superior Western movies? All hail Rey and the Star Wars sequels!"
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Can't remember what was the excuse for this game, if it was small or niche or super famous, regardless, I do can understand the idea here:

• In base form, it's a single player adventure game where you play as MC, you go through the story and reach the ending, and it has this unique gameplay mechanic where you battle almost like real life.
• At the same time, the gameplay mechanic was quite unique, so they also added a simpler version where you can create your character and make your story, the main point here is that this is online and contains P2P
• And later they added the Fem MC DLC with an entire Single Player campaign for the girls.

Is there a game with this level of production and VR mechanics?
Is there a real company that would accept doing a single player campaign DLC for what could be considered an Online game instead of doing more Microtransactions?

In my mind, the closest game, or rather franchise, that could have some aspects of this fictional game is the Dynasty Warriors Franchise.
You buy one of the main games, let's say Dynasty Warriors 7, play the entire story, learn who are the characters and so on and the background story of all 50+ characters in the story.
Then you buy the Empires version of the game, in this case, Dynasty Warriors 7 Empires, and now you don't have a story anymore, you can select an existing character or create your own, and create your own story in this setting, you can even marry your waifu and have children, which you can use later in a new campaign, you can kill the characters you dislike, you can recruit the characters you like, you can make bitter enemies into sworn allies and vice-versa, you can do anything you want here. The Empires series lacks pretty much all the story elements of the original, so you miss the story setting of the characters, but gameplay wise, it's much more fun.

 

[Acesouls]

If you are going to ask "is there a game like this", 99% of the isekai novels would be non-sense, besides, you forget the VR Game point of this game that you need to do manual activation through movements to decrease the MP consumption. does this mean that half the world has VR on their PCs?

If you think about it, there are isekai novels with super hard game that is an absolute success and not P2W, it's almost like if Dark Souls was more successful than Call of Duty or Battlefield or "whatever the kids like these days". Same thing for the isekai otome game genre.

At least there are some isekai novels who admit that the fictional game was niche or had a small cult following.

There is the fact that Adventure/Visual Novel-like games are very common in Japan, thus if you, a western orc were to ask "How can that be a success!?", then you should ask yourself "Why am I reading a Japanese manga instead of our superior Western movies? All hail Rey and the Star Wars sequels!"
-----
Can't remember what was the excuse for this game, if it was small or niche or super famous, regardless, I do can understand the idea here:

• In base form, it's a single player adventure game where you play as MC, you go through the story and reach the ending, and it has this unique gameplay mechanic where you battle almost like real life.
• At the same time, the gameplay mechanic was quite unique, so they also added a simpler version where you can create your character and make your story, the main point here is that this is online and contains P2P
• And later they added the Fem MC DLC with an entire Single Player campaign for the girls.

Is there a game with this level of production and VR mechanics?
Is there a real company that would accept doing a single player campaign DLC for what could be considered an Online game instead of doing more Microtransactions?

In my mind, the closest game, or rather franchise, that could have some aspects of this fictional game is the Dynasty Warriors Franchise.
You buy one of the main games, let's say Dynasty Warriors 7, play the entire story, learn who are the characters and so on and the background story of all 50+ characters in the story.
Then you buy the Empires version of the game, in this case, Dynasty Warriors 7 Empires, and now you don't have a story anymore, you can select an existing character or create your own, and create your own story in this setting, you can even marry your waifu and have children, which you can use later in a new campaign, you can kill the characters you dislike, you can recruit the characters you like, you can make bitter enemies into sworn allies and vice-versa, you can do anything you want here. The Empires series lacks pretty much all the story elements of the original, so you miss the story setting of the characters, but gameplay wise, it's much more fun.

Bro tbh I am Not reading all that