We Are Cats - Ch. 65
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Did you miss where only greedy corporations use DRM?
Artists can make tons from Patreon, SubscribeStar etc.
Did you miss where only greedy corporations use DRM?
Artists can make tons from Patreon, SubscribeStar etc.
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I had a black cat who loved industrial rock. It must have been good for him. He lived to reach the fine old age of 23.
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My mother's cat HATED her singing and playing the guitar, but he enjoyed my voice. Also, he loved watching football (not American football!). My own cat didn't care much for music, but she loved watching documentaries and surprisingly, was a FMA fan.
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@tanukihat no, digital copies should be free, or at the very least pay-what-you-like, and encourage purchasing physical items and experiences.
I spend a few hundred quid a year on vinyl alone, and I DJ with it exclusively.
MP3, WAV, FLAC etc can be copied with no loss to anyone except fractions of a penny in volts and amps. Tees, vinyl records, CDs, tapes, pins, stickers and so on have inherent value. So does supporting bands and DJs you like at shows. A digital file can be effortlessly copied, and the more the merrier for posterity I say. And I say so as a musician.
DRM is another issue entirely. It robs the end user of rights, such as the right to store and reproduce it freely on any device of their choosing, and designs its own manufactured obsolescence. To me, it is unethical, and a relic of corporate interference into open digital spaces to conform them in a manner more conducive to profits, over freely sharing data that has been legally obtained.
I spend a few hundred quid a year on vinyl alone, and I DJ with it exclusively.
MP3, WAV, FLAC etc can be copied with no loss to anyone except fractions of a penny in volts and amps. Tees, vinyl records, CDs, tapes, pins, stickers and so on have inherent value. So does supporting bands and DJs you like at shows. A digital file can be effortlessly copied, and the more the merrier for posterity I say. And I say so as a musician.
DRM is another issue entirely. It robs the end user of rights, such as the right to store and reproduce it freely on any device of their choosing, and designs its own manufactured obsolescence. To me, it is unethical, and a relic of corporate interference into open digital spaces to conform them in a manner more conducive to profits, over freely sharing data that has been legally obtained.
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@marcopolonian
Not comparable at all. The audience a """greedy corporation""" can reach is hundreds of thousands more than a personal Patreon. Patreon doesn't get your books in stores, or professional translation, or an anime. Patreon is great for your amateur Pokémon drawings or whatever though.
@gronkle
The fact is that sharing digital media for free cuts into sales. There is no way to weedle around or rationalize it - every person who gets a free copy is one less person who buys it. If you'd like to be honest and just say "Yeah I don't want to pay for stuff" that's fine, but don't act like it's immoral for a company to protect its products.
Not comparable at all. The audience a """greedy corporation""" can reach is hundreds of thousands more than a personal Patreon. Patreon doesn't get your books in stores, or professional translation, or an anime. Patreon is great for your amateur Pokémon drawings or whatever though.
@gronkle
The fact is that sharing digital media for free cuts into sales. There is no way to weedle around or rationalize it - every person who gets a free copy is one less person who buys it. If you'd like to be honest and just say "Yeah I don't want to pay for stuff" that's fine, but don't act like it's immoral for a company to protect its products.
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@tanukihat
It absolutely is immoral for a company to exert control over their "end user". Taping didn't kill cinema, p2p didn't kill mp3, torrents didn't kill CDs, cameras didn't kill paintings, and piracy isn't theft. DRM popularised streaming, because people would rather rent their entertainment if they can't do with it what they like.
As for your assumptions and claims; a free copy is how come the majority of my spare cash ends up in the pockets of the music industry. Just yesterday I spent £12.40 on an EP and some stickers, via their personal bandcamp. 3 weeks ago I spent over £38 on an LP, again via bandcamp. I'm looking to spend probably a further £30 on second hand vinyl before next week, which not only keeps me in stock of retro techno, but also helps keep afloat the collector's market.
All of that because I can listen to music for free, and decide if I want to buy it or support the artist in other ways.
It absolutely is immoral for a company to exert control over their "end user". Taping didn't kill cinema, p2p didn't kill mp3, torrents didn't kill CDs, cameras didn't kill paintings, and piracy isn't theft. DRM popularised streaming, because people would rather rent their entertainment if they can't do with it what they like.
As for your assumptions and claims; a free copy is how come the majority of my spare cash ends up in the pockets of the music industry. Just yesterday I spent £12.40 on an EP and some stickers, via their personal bandcamp. 3 weeks ago I spent over £38 on an LP, again via bandcamp. I'm looking to spend probably a further £30 on second hand vinyl before next week, which not only keeps me in stock of retro techno, but also helps keep afloat the collector's market.
All of that because I can listen to music for free, and decide if I want to buy it or support the artist in other ways.
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@gronkle
So many false equivilencies and blatantly wrong statements. Cam recording is one of the many factors that contributes to the increase in ticket prices and decrease in theater attendance, which is clearly still going on today. P2P absolutely killed CDs, and contributes to the decrease in artist compensation and increase in ads we get today on audio streaming sites. Photographs and paintings are not comparable in value, but I'm willing to bet you have more photographs on your walls than original paintings right? 100 years ago you would have had only paintings, but that industry is all but dead now.
None of what you said justifies piracy. Piracy is akin to copying a baker's recipe and then standing outside his shop giving his product away for free. You may decide to be nice and purchase a cake from him, but the exception does not prove the rule and the vast majority of people will take your free cakes rather than go to the trouble of going inside and paying. Your small donation in no way offsets the hundreds or thousands of lost sales.
So many false equivilencies and blatantly wrong statements. Cam recording is one of the many factors that contributes to the increase in ticket prices and decrease in theater attendance, which is clearly still going on today. P2P absolutely killed CDs, and contributes to the decrease in artist compensation and increase in ads we get today on audio streaming sites. Photographs and paintings are not comparable in value, but I'm willing to bet you have more photographs on your walls than original paintings right? 100 years ago you would have had only paintings, but that industry is all but dead now.
None of what you said justifies piracy. Piracy is akin to copying a baker's recipe and then standing outside his shop giving his product away for free. You may decide to be nice and purchase a cake from him, but the exception does not prove the rule and the vast majority of people will take your free cakes rather than go to the trouble of going inside and paying. Your small donation in no way offsets the hundreds or thousands of lost sales.
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Piracy is akin to copying a baker's recipe, that's it. In fact, it's just committing it to memory. Piracy does not duplicate anything with inherent value because it is just duplicating data. I can copy an mp3 on my computer 1,000,000 times and the value of it will not change because its value is arbitrary.
As for lost sales, I wouldn't buy a single mp3. There is no lost sale. I spend my money buying the music I heard in an mp3 file or over youtube, on a physical format.
I think for a vast majority of people too, they don't want to spend money on music in any serious way, and abusing data management rights to coerce them into it is just a shitty way to do it. That's why streaming has taken over.
Times and technology change, and resisting it has not paid off. Data is free, or it should be, because it is only upon application that it has value. I cannot copy someone's song and pass it off as my own, that is reasonable and moral, but I can absolutely loan someone a CD or record. In the same manner, I should be able to copy a file and send it.
Piracy is akin to copying a baker's recipe, that's it. In fact, it's just committing it to memory. Piracy does not duplicate anything with inherent value because it is just duplicating data. I can copy an mp3 on my computer 1,000,000 times and the value of it will not change because its value is arbitrary.
As for lost sales, I wouldn't buy a single mp3. There is no lost sale. I spend my money buying the music I heard in an mp3 file or over youtube, on a physical format.
I think for a vast majority of people too, they don't want to spend money on music in any serious way, and abusing data management rights to coerce them into it is just a shitty way to do it. That's why streaming has taken over.
Times and technology change, and resisting it has not paid off. Data is free, or it should be, because it is only upon application that it has value. I cannot copy someone's song and pass it off as my own, that is reasonable and moral, but I can absolutely loan someone a CD or record. In the same manner, I should be able to copy a file and send it.
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*Inherent* value. That's not to say it doesn't have *extrinsic* value, or *arbitrary* value. Nuclear codes have extrinsic value, as does your medical data, as does surveillance footage and so on. In those cases, the value is dependant on who has access to it. They don't have intrinsic value because they could all be copied a million times, and their worth wouldn't decrease. This is unlike fresh bread, which has intrinsic value subject to supply and demand. Digital music most often has arbitrary value, because the price does not reflect any costs or demand, nor even the extrinsic worth to the end user.
*Inherent* value. That's not to say it doesn't have *extrinsic* value, or *arbitrary* value. Nuclear codes have extrinsic value, as does your medical data, as does surveillance footage and so on. In those cases, the value is dependant on who has access to it. They don't have intrinsic value because they could all be copied a million times, and their worth wouldn't decrease. This is unlike fresh bread, which has intrinsic value subject to supply and demand. Digital music most often has arbitrary value, because the price does not reflect any costs or demand, nor even the extrinsic worth to the end user.
