Wǒ Jiā Lǎopo Láizì Yīqiān Nián Qián - Ch. 13

[MangaDex]

 

[Ant1989]

Bullshit. You have just said that there are ways to confirm if someone is using a fake ID, like the fingerprints, so getting new IDs won't help them at all since they would be cross-referenced in the databanks. There's no freaking way they'd escape with that. Besides, one could simply kill and steal the ID o someone else if such cross-references weren't done, and it would be the same, it's not like people keep the same face all their lives. And while they aren't approaching the topic for obvious reasons (CCP), there are millions of people in that situation right in China, though those may be able to provide the parents, or maybe not, if they are dead or without IDs as well. So this explanation for such a crazy control is bullshit propaganda trying to avoid the CCP fury.

 

[Pokari]

Bullshit. You have just said that there are ways to confirm if someone is using a fake ID, like the fingerprints, so getting new IDs won't help them at all since they would be cross-referenced in the databanks. There's no freaking way they'd escape with that. Besides, one could simply kill and steal the ID o someone else if such cross-references weren't done, and it would be the same, it's not like people keep the same face all their lives. And while they aren't approaching the topic for obvious reasons (CCP), there are millions of people in that situation right in China, though those may be able to provide the parents, or maybe not, if they are dead or without IDs as well. So this explanation for such a crazy control is bullshit propaganda trying to avoid the CCP fury.

I was actually half-convinced by this chapter that this comic is deliberately using this device to point out how bullshit China's problems are. I could be wrong, but...

Like we've covered, through her as a medium, the subtle terror of random identity checks, China being the most terrifying of surveillance states, and now what happens to the (approximately 8 million?) 'unregistered citizens' who get cut off completely from living as human beings in practice. I don't think I've read a manhua from inside China that skirts anywhere near those topics before.

And sure, it's framing it somewhat as "problems for a time-traveler which of course would not affect the modern, good civic citizen!", but as long as you have a brain it also makes it clear that that's not really the case.

 

[themangaweeaboo]

It's fascinating reading literature from the perspective of someone inside a mass surveillance state.

 

[Bonzalez]

Bullshit. You have just said that there are ways to confirm if someone is using a fake ID, like the fingerprints, so getting new IDs won't help them at all since they would be cross-referenced in the databanks. There's no freaking way they'd escape with that. Besides, one could simply kill and steal the ID o someone else if such cross-references weren't done, and it would be the same, it's not like people keep the same face all their lives. And while they aren't approaching the topic for obvious reasons (CCP), there are millions of people in that situation right in China, though those may be able to provide the parents, or maybe not, if they are dead or without IDs as well. So this explanation for such a crazy control is bullshit propaganda trying to avoid the CCP fury.

I'm not sure what you're calling bullshit. As I understood it, he's saying you need to have some evidence of citizenship in order to be granted an ID. The example of the escaped convict getting plastic surgery was to illustrate why someone shouldn't be allowed to just show up with no evidence and get an ID. All that seemed pretty straightforward to me. If you're talking about the ethical issue with locking the ability to participate in general society behind an ID which some in the country can't get easily, that's a fair point, but from what I've been able to read online, it seems like the CCP has at least claimed to be making efforts to remedy the issue by removing barriers to acquiring IDs for citizens born outside the family planning laws, so its not like its some big secret that they're trying to keep under wraps

 

[Ant1989]

I'm not sure what you're calling bullshit. As I understood it, he's saying you need to have some evidence of citizenship in order to be granted an ID. The example of the escaped convict getting plastic surgery was to illustrate why someone shouldn't be allowed to just show up with no evidence and get an ID. All that seemed pretty straightforward to me. If you're talking about the ethical issue with locking the ability to participate in general society behind an ID which some in the country can't get easily, that's a fair point, but from what I've been able to read online, it seems like the CCP has at least claimed to be making efforts to remedy the issue by removing barriers to acquiring IDs for citizens born outside the family planning laws, so its not like its some big secret that they're trying to keep under wraps

Oh, they are trying to keep under wraps all the persecution, forced abortions, killing of children, mainly female ones, and all the tragedy caused by that one-child policy.

 

[definitionofinsanity]

Holy fuck, this translation is so much better than the other one.

My comment I left under the other shitty translation release of this chapter:

"That said, it's really fucking weird that they make this to be a whole big affair. China still has rural people living out in basically the wild where there aren't even villages. Sometimes those people are just born in a hut somewhere and there's no ID, no paperwork, no family registry. It's not common, but it does happen. And there are government offices that handle this shit.

All it would take is to go to whatever Chinese ministry handles this and tell them this chick was born out in the middle of nowhere and her parents died and she, of course, has no papers, no ID, no family registry because of that reason. It would hinge on her keeping in the act, but you could also play off her lack of education about modern life with her being born in the rural middle of no where."