Yondome wa Iya na Shizokusei Majutsushi - Vol. 5 Ch. 19 - Preparing For War

[Kaarme]

@flannan Seeing how the orcs have kobolds, which in Japanese media are dog men, you'd think a surprise attack against the orc encampment would fail. So, logically, it wouldn't be a surprise attack, just an attack. Unless there's some magic to totally hide the approach of a whole army of burly soldiers from a dog's excellent senses.

@Yuragi It was an undead creature. I guess you could call it a flesh golem, just an exceptionally tidy one. I suppose the puppet word used in the chapter would describe it better than a golem because it's so neat and lively looking, relatively, not grotesque. Nevertheless, I don't think homunculus is the right word. Homunculus is an artificial but living humanoid being, typically, created through alchemy, whereas the girl was dead, just reanimated. But it's all fiction, so I guess any definition is no better or worse than another.

 

[Reevult]

@Yuragi Don't worry, there are plenty of real girls being raped and mind-broken by those orks.

 

[Goldenzeal]

@Kaarme
@flannan

No its a puppet for a whole other reason, but homunculus would be the better description over golem.
both a golem and a homunculus is supposed to be an intelligent creture who can move and function by itself.
A puppet by its definition is not supposed to be moving around without somebody pulling the strings one way or another.
But lets go down why it would be a homunculus if it was given autonomy

A homunculus is a living being created to look like a human .
Historically they were also supposed to also be small, like dwarfs or pygmies but that is a trait that have been ignored in most pop culture.
Nowadays a homunculus is basically just a artificially created human tho just like you said Kaarme.

A golem is an animated anthropomorphic AKA human like creture that is created from inanimate materials and is given life by magical means.
( if no magic/life its a automaton or robot )

Basiclly if you want to know if its a golem or a homonculus it comes down to these two questions.

Would its appearance fool people to believe it's a human? if no then its automatically a golem.
Is it alive by itself or is it being animated by magic ? if its only being animated by magic its a golem.
(also a homunculus was created by alchemy ( aka science ) and was technically not a magical creture while a golem is.... but you know... Alchemy 👺 )
But back on topic again.....

The puppet is fully human and is from the description said to have its organs functioning which leads me to believe it might be able to survive on its own.
This is why i would like to call it a homunculus over a golem.
Now that is just an assumption and if the body is not actually alive and just keeps itself warm to imitate life then it would be a golem.
The line between golem and homunculus with a thing like this really small and honestly you could just use both and it might be fine.
Also both are both mythological creatures so "hurr durr magic is not real argument so who cares" is allways valid, but that is for weak people who can´t back up their arguments and hold a discussion.
At the end of the day every definitions can change from setting to setting or depending who you ask, but its allways good to have a baseline to go from.

Nowdays in popular media golems are generally less humanoid then a homunculus by usually physically stronger to better serve its master like the original one made out of clay/mud.
Meanwhile homunculus are usually failed attempts at creating life or humans without souls etc etc, they are pretty much just flawed humans.
So again If the puppet has the ability to function by itself and is alive without outside magic it would have been a homonculus and not a golem.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

WTF has this manga become?

 

[Goldenzeal]

@Sparrowhawk

Great, it has become great :3
Real talk tho, it's only going to get more complicated from here.

 

[WeeabooReview]

Still not a fan about them drooling over a five year old. Please make him grow up so this is kinda tolerable.

Thanks for the update.

 

[XxxARTSxxX]

Is it just me or the ghoul looks like their hand oversized in this chapter

 

[BloodySorcerer]

@WeeabllReview Don't worry he'll grow up eventually. He is 11 years old in the currently translated chapters. His Harem has grown tremendously but no one is making a move yet. They are all waiting for him to grow up

 

[Kaarme]

@Goldenzeal The impression I got from the magician's words is that it was a dead body, probably a very fresh one, the dude pumped so full of magic that the organs regained their functionality. However, it wouldn't have a soul anymore. It's reanimated, but exceptionally well so. The man also noted that it wouldn't fool humans, who would recognise it as too emotionless and doll like, that is, like a living puppet. Apparently it could still fool rape-orcs. I specifically added the word flesh in front of the golem to make a distinction between golems made of traditionally inorganic materials and something made of (previously) living tissue. However, in fiction a flesh golem is usually an abomination (think of the gatekeeper in Oblivion/Shivering Isles), which is why I also noted it wouldn't be a very good term for that girl, who was attractive enough to get raped by orcs.

In my mind homunculus is an artificial living humanoid. Properly living, properly eating or otherwise feeding itself to generate energy. That girl isn't supposed to be living. She's either an undead creature or simply reanimated by having a finite supply of life magic, however you look at it. The magician called her both an undead and relying on life magic to function.

Somehow I think the author didn't even intend to subject her to such scrutiny!

 

[Goldenzeal]

*edit now with 500% more emojis and 300 % less DDos attacks*
haha yeah its prob true that both the author and translator for that mather, did not expect too much scrutiny on this 😅
And yeah, most flesh golems are kind of icky to look at with a few expetions. 😒
Looking at the Abomination from warcraft 3 or the flesh/blood golem´s in Diablo they all are pretty unpleasant to look at. 😱

I went back and re-read the chapter and looking at it again the puppet was for sure made by a human corpse with life magic like you said, but we don´t know if it could sustain itself without magic. 🤓
As for the fact it could not fool a human, i got the impression that was because it was behaving and moving strangely and not from how it looks. ( again couse its a puppet and don´t move itself) 💀
The line is hair thin and without a mind/soul to control the body its only ever going to be a puppet anyhow. 👻
Granted i do have to agree that the fact they do call her a undead does point a little towards her not being a living creature and just moving around by the magic. 🧐
That in itself would point towards her being a golem over a homunculus if she gained sentience.🙄
But on the other hand the only thing keeping her from being a homunculus would be her acting ability and if she can keep herself "alive" on her own. ☠

TLR as it stands its hard to say, but the evidence does point towards me being wrong and golem being the better word.😅

 

[Wolfwhistler]

@Goldenzeal @Kaarme https://death-mage.fandom.com/wiki/Live-Dead
There is a whole page for them on the wiki. Long story short, fresh corpse.

 

[Soundwave14]

So this is Luciliano looks like huh I was expecting facial hair on him and to have black hair

 

[Soundwave14]

@Yuragi its a real body the original person died who knows how or when she died though, Luciliano resurrected the body to be his familiar to use for scouting out the Orc camp

 

[404chaos]

oWo

 

[_coon_feetus_yeet]

@Ovisionik Tbf if I had that ability I would definitely fuck my self. You would feel both the girls point of view and ur own that would be awesome

 

[Ovisionik]

@_coon_feetus_yeet
Would that be considered as sex or masturbation?

 

[_coon_feetus_yeet]

@Ovisionik idk man but I want the ability so bad

 

[Lomeno]

Ahhh I want moreeeee

 

[kimiemio]

Man I wanna see the king having intercourse now :/

 

[dancur]

@XxxARTSxxX only the longest of arms for the itch you can not scratch