Yu-Gi-Oh! OCG Structures - Vol. 9 Ch. 62 - Battle of the Highest-Level Monsters

[MangaDex]

 

[SMAXZO]

IIRC, Someone explained it to me thusly, If effects goes off regardless of when is it on the chain, When effects has to be the last effect on any chain. If there's any effect that chained to a card with When effect, that When effect misses timing.

Was it right?

 

[mage_goo]

Pendulumslop combo so long even the editor fucked up the combo lmao
Yeah, darkwurm already used to sync with solblaze so wisdom-eye's the one used to link into exceed

 

[KitRagnell]

Pendulum Magician my beloved. I have gotta rebuild this

 

[Ricrod]

IIRC, Someone explained it to me thusly, If effects goes off regardless of when is it on the chain, When effects has to be the last effect on any chain. If there's any effect that chained to a card with When effect, that When effect misses timing.

Was it right?

I want to say so, but I can't read because I play Yu-Gi-Oh

 

[Levankua]

Insane amounts of deck churning

 

[TrapTrash1678]

IIRC, Someone explained it to me thusly, If effects goes off regardless of when is it on the chain, When effects has to be the last effect on any chain. If there's any effect that chained to a card with When effect, that When effect misses timing.

Was it right?

Well yes, but in this specific case, it’s a case of response timing.

Basically, when multiple effects activate at the same time in the same chain link, the only effect you can respond to is the very last effects, meaning cards that need to interact with specific cards, such as negates, can only interact with the last card used. For example, if I control a Baronne de Fleur, which can negate any card effect, and my opponent normal summons Tearlaments Reinoheart with Tearlaments Scream on field, they can activate Reina as Chain Link 1 and Scream as CL2, which means I can’t negate the Reino and have to negate scream. This doesn’t apply on certain effects, like targeting effects or negate on resolution, but generally, if a card says “when”, it has a timing to it

In the case of this duel, Red Supernova Dragon has an effect to banish the field, but it must chain to a MONSTER effect, but by having a SPELL activate as CL2, it can’t respond to it since a monster effect wasn’t the last effect activated and therefore it isn’t responding to a monster effect, allowing several effects to occur and trigger before Red Supernova could find another opportunity to use its effect and banish the field, giving him the resources to mount an OTK

 

[talihem]

IIRC, Someone explained it to me thusly, If effects goes off regardless of when is it on the chain, When effects has to be the last effect on any chain. If there's any effect that chained to a card with When effect, that When effect misses timing.

Was it right?

If it's a card you've never seen and your opponent is using, it's unstoppable and will always resolve.
When it's a card you stumbled upon and thought of a cool combo with, it'll miss the timing and people will laugh at you.

 

[BlackwingYu]

IIRC, Someone explained it to me thusly, If effects goes off regardless of when is it on the chain, When effects has to be the last effect on any chain. If there's any effect that chained to a card with When effect, that When effect misses timing.

Was it right?

Yes. Red Supernova Dragon says:
"Once per turn, when your opponent's monster effect is activated, or when an opponent's monster declares an attack (Quick Effect): You can activate this effect;"

because it says "when", the monster effect must be the last link of the chain (and thus the first to resolve) for Red Supernova Dragon to chain its effect.


Star Pendulumgraph says:
"If a face-up "Magician" Pendulum Monster Card(s) leaves your Monster Zone or Pendulum Zone: Add 1 "Magician" Pendulum Monster from your Deck to your hand."

This is a mandatory (note that it doesn't say "you can") trigger (activates at a specific time, usually because something else happened) effect.


Supreme King Dragon Lightwurm says:
"If a face-up Pendulum Monster(s) you control is destroyed by battle or card effect, while this card is face-up in your Extra Deck: You can add this card to your hand."

Purple Poison Magician says:
If this card is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can target 1 face-up card on the field; destroy it.

These are NOT mandatory, but they are also trigger effects. When Souta uses Time Pendulumgraph's effect to destroy his own Purple Poison Magician, all 3 trigger effects meet their activation conditions. When multiple trigger effects can be activated simultaneously, the activating card's owner chooses how to order the effects. By triggering all these effects at once, Souta gets to order the Purple Poison as chain link 1, Lightwurm as chain link 2, and the Star Pendulumgraph as chain link 3. With a spell as the last link of the chain, Red Supernova Dragon cannot be used to respond.

Using the order of the chain to "protect" certain effects from being responded to is colloquially referred to as "chain blocking".

 

[DarkeLourd]

I respect Hyakumen's commitment to the bit but bro, if you aren't running generic endboard pieces in your Yuyaslop deck at least run Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon. If he went first he was really relying on either Z-Arc's field nuke summoned off of Soul of the Supreme Celestial King, or his opponent using a Spell so he can use Soul of the Supreme King's GY effect and tag out for actual negates, except he would have to pick one or the other without knowing what his opponent was on unless he lucked into opening one of the traps naturally. And either Pendgraph or Lightwurm summoning itself out of scale to sync into Supreme King Dragon Clear Wing, which is just another board wipe.

Dude was carried hard by the plot.

 

[djbubbles]

IIRC, Someone explained it to me thusly, If effects goes off regardless of when is it on the chain, When effects has to be the last effect on any chain. If there's any effect that chained to a card with When effect, that When effect misses timing.

Was it right?

"if" effects are trigger effects that always occur on a new chain. "When" effects can be activated either in response to another effect in a chain (if they are worded as such, such as "when your opponent activates a monster effect:") or are activated when an event occurs (such as "when this card is sent to the GY.") The latter are trigger effects. (I think this is always true, but I might be wrong; I'm not a judge.) All of these kinds of effects are either mandatory or optional, depending on whether the phrase "you can" is present.

Missing timing only occurs with optional "when" effects that trigger in response to events. And a good way to think about it is that when you meet the conditions for activating the effect (i.e., that event occurs,) you must first wait for the chain to resolve and check for triggers before you can check if it's still "when" your activation condition occurred.

A good example of things that miss timing all the time are some Frog cards like Poison Draw Frog and Dupe Frog, where they missing their activation window when they're used for a link summon, since the last thing to happen is the link summon. On the other hand, if they were send to the GY with a card effect like Raigeki, then the last thing to happen is them being sent to the GY, so they can activate. On the other other hand, if they get popped on a higher chain link, then when you resolve the whole chain, the last thing to happen isn't them being popped and sent to the GY, so yet again they have missed their activation window.

Other good examples are a lot of older monsters that do things on summon used with more modern decks that summon multiple times in a chain. For example, White Aura Whale in Ghoti will miss timing if it's summoned with a Ghoti tuner's effect on CL2 or higher.

On the other hand, mandatory effects do not miss timing regardless of if they're worded with "when" or "if", since they have to activate. The official rules make at least this part clear. They don't exactly help make the concept of "the last thing to happen" clear, but you can go watch videos that explain this concept in more detail if what I posted isn't helping enough.

 

[Strela]

Hyakumen is pretty nonchalant after those bullshits, probably used to girl like Chako

 

[tunglam264]

Yes. Red Supernova Dragon says:
"Once per turn, when your opponent's monster effect is activated, or when an opponent's monster declares an attack (Quick Effect): You can activate this effect;"

because it says "when", the monster effect must be the last link of the chain (and thus the first to resolve) for Red Supernova Dragon to chain its effect.


Star Pendulumgraph says:
"If a face-up "Magician" Pendulum Monster Card(s) leaves your Monster Zone or Pendulum Zone: Add 1 "Magician" Pendulum Monster from your Deck to your hand."

This is a mandatory (note that it doesn't say "you can") trigger (activates at a specific time, usually because something else happened) effect.


Supreme King Dragon Lightwurm says:
"If a face-up Pendulum Monster(s) you control is destroyed by battle or card effect, while this card is face-up in your Extra Deck: You can add this card to your hand."

Purple Poison Magician says:
If this card is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can target 1 face-up card on the field; destroy it.

These are NOT mandatory, but they are also trigger effects. When Souta uses Time Pendulumgraph's effect to destroy his own Purple Poison Magician, all 3 trigger effects meet their activation conditions. When multiple trigger effects can be activated simultaneously, the activating card's owner chooses how to order the effects. By triggering all these effects at once, Souta gets to order the Purple Poison as chain link 1, Lightwurm as chain link 2, and the Star Pendulumgraph as chain link 3. With a spell as the last link of the chain, Red Supernova Dragon cannot be used to respond.

Using the order of the chain to "protect" certain effects from being responded to is colloquially referred to as "chain blocking".

Wouldn't mandatory triggers have to go on chain first before optional triggers? It's how it works in the real game, but here he just slap the mandatory trigger last to chainblock.
Pendulumgraph trigger should be forced as cl1.

 

[Sainou]

Wouldn't mandatory triggers have to go on chain first before optional triggers? It's how it works in the real game, but here he just slap the mandatory trigger last to chainblock.
Pendulumgraph trigger should be forced as cl1.

Yeah, I checked the next chapter and there is this correction note on the 1st page that says

"There was a mistake in YGO OCG Chapter 62
Due to Star Pendulumgraph effect being Mandatory, the right activation order would be
Star Pendulumgraph's 2nd Effect -> Lightwurm's 2nd Effect from the Extra Deck -> Purple Poison Magician's 1st Effect -> Silvera's 1st Effect, Apologize for the correction"

This is kinda a big deal right, since then she could've Supernova'd there and probably win lmao

 

[tunglam264]

Yeah, I checked the next chapter and there is this correction note on the 1st page that says

"There was a mistake in YGO OCG Chapter 62
Due to Star Pendulumgraph effect being Mandatory, the right activation order would be
Star Pendulumgraph's 2nd Effect -> Lightwurm's 2nd Effect from the Extra Deck -> Purple Poison Magician's 1st Effect -> Silvera's 1st Effect, Apologize for the correction"

This is kinda a big deal right, since then she could've Supernova'd there and probably win lmao

Yup she can just choose to not use silvera and response with supernova banishing his whole field