Yuusha no Gawari ni Maou Toubatsu Shitara Tegara wo Yokodoroi Saremashita - Vol. 1 Ch. 5

[cor3zone]

@Solipsist This series is deliberately not tagged as isekai, though. Get over it.

Edit: I've made the same mistake on other series. Just own it.

 

[Solipsist]

@cor3zone
Nope. But it is rather amusing how much it bothers some people. People will keep using that term as a blanket statement, seeing as all webnovels are a hard-copy template of each other, even with mild alterations like "actually born in this world". The stories are still the same.

 

[sjmcc13]

@Solipsist : No it is not a general term, it is a term that is constantly misused by people, but that does not change its meaning.
It refers to a specific genre of japanese media, and is constantly misused to lump all Japanese fantasy together, often to complain about it for not being 100% what the commenter wants to read.

Oh and being all the same is blatantly false, what you are seeing is what is trending and popular in japan, not the full extent of their webnovels. But on top of that on some level MOST heroic fantasy stories have large similarities, you are saying they are the same because of reused tropes, but that occurs in ever genre in every country. most stories are generic because there are only so many ways to tell a story, very few have major writing differences. I use to read a lot of fantasy novels in high school and college, many things keep getting reused, same for movies, same for TV. Plus most people making such criticisms are making it on the first chapter or 2 when the similarities are at the strongest because there are only so many ways to start an isekai, so similar options get used and the well written ones will diverge from there.

Also :

all it can possibly do is serve as a "call to action" for the cowardly MC

Not Jerk/evil heroes are not limited to that, heck in my experience that is not the story function they serve in most stories. Just because that is all you can see does not mean that it is all it can be used for.

And just because something irritates you, does not mean it irritates everyone.

 

[Solipsist]

@sjmcc13
Aiight, I wasn't expecting to drag one measly comment, about a random isekai level story for so long.
Yes. "Not all tropes are bad" tirade. They are not limited to it. But given how they are mostly used, it has become a tired cliche. That is why I wrote what I wrote. If you have so much energy to argue with people over basic stories like these, I recommend that you find novels of higher value to invest your energies on. No, really.

 

[ChronicleKey]

I will drop this manga if in the next few chapters the MC is used again by Jilshit.

 

[GerryCerryBery]

@Solipsist
You seem to have read a lot of webnovels and be quite experienced with the genre. Any recommendations that get your seal of approval? I'm really itching to see some different ones, that break the current template.

 

[Solipsist]

@GerryCerryBery

Spoiler

Wow, that's hard. I've been mostly reading trash, to be honest.
The first thing to come to mind is Overlord, I guess? It plays out like a lot of light-novels, but its emphasis on gore and violence made a bit uncommon. I think it got copyrighted, so if you want to read it online (yar-har), you'll need to use the wayward-machine / internet-archives.
Kumo Desu Nani ka is another one. Doesn't break a whole lot of molds, but it's fun. It can totally be seen as absolute garbage, though, depending on your sensibilities.

And in the same fantasy-ish vein of light novels, I can rec the Warhammer 40k Horus Heresy series. I read the first book, and I had fun. I can send you a link for the ebook if you want, got it off humblebundle.
And regarding visual-novels, if you want fantasy, go read Fate/Stay Night. Slightly less-fantasy, is the Muv-Luv trilogy (which is arguably the best VN series in the market, according to VNDB :v)

In terms of manga / comics / whatever...From 10 minutes of looking through my read list --
DoroHedoro. Gruesome, long story, can be a bit shounen-dumb. One of my fav manga since highschool.
Ride-on king is a pretty popular (actual) isekai.
Peerless dad. Another popular choice. It's Wuxia, without the idiotic young-masters to piss off the MC for breathing air.

Chio-chan no Tsuugakuro. Comedy manga that's hard to describe. It moves forward enough to not get annoying.
Hinamatsuri is another comedy manga that I adore. Again, it actually moves forward. The moment the author realizes the jokes got stale, he dumps them and moves on to something else, thank god.

 

[GerryCerryBery]

@Solipsist

Spoiler

Thank you for the recommendations. I recognize a few of the names and probably started to read some of them back then, but I'm terrible with names and so forget most titles after a short amount of time. I only knew about the Warhammer Fantasy novels, so I will have to take a look at the 40k Horus Heresy ones.

 

[dharman]

if that escaped coward hero managed to use the MC once again, i'll drop this.

 

[Kronous]

@dharman me too

 

[Artaris]

slap that booty massage

 

[tgb089]

What a scumbag.

If Arga helped the coward, the ratings would dropped even more.

 

[Lulerus]

😏

 

[Technical_Cold]

@dharman Same. Some writers are getting too lost with the whole '100% 'good' hero' idea that doesn't make sense. They're just letting villains go with a slap on the wrist, even if entire cities died because of the villain - who, let's be honest, will never atone for their atrocities and will never change. Hope to hell this manga doesn't follow the same route.

 

[Xeans]

shitty hero

 

[Konrad2]

Thanks for the translation.

 

[Silwith]

@dharman I feel you, its okay that Arga is a nice guy, but nice and dumb are two different things, im fine with nice, but i hate dumb MCs, get used once: may happen, get used twice: DUMB

 

[Azapuela]

@Silwith no he is dumb, if he was clever and truly kind he would claim he is truly a hero and try to prove himself. With that the kingdom wouldnt have to fall

 

[Winchan]

Don't get used by this scumbag again.. behead him the moment you see him, not like anyone cares about that deserter anymore, even the royalty.

 

[fucknvampire]

Everyone is being a dick this chapter. That tit for brains useless receptionist, that rude receptionist who can't give a massage, and this hero dick head.