Zettai ni Yatte wa Ikenai Isekai Shoukan - Vol. 1 Ch. 2

[OverlordSaiki]

Translator forgot watermark

 

[Winchan]

oh another TL o.o

 

[ZayB]

Dropped lol. I won't say it's bad but there's too many mangas and animes based off a dude getting horny powers.

Although I wasn't paying attention I'm assuming that's what's happening here..

And even if that's not what's happening I'm also tired of having wimpy-ass mc's all the time.

 

[Giga]

@ZayB: It's gotten to the point at which these male protagonists act like women. He has a body that's hardly any more built than a female's, he gets "pushed down", he's the one being strong-armed into everything, he's the one effetely begging the girl he so deeply fears not to come near him, and he literally starts going "KYAAA" in the third chapter.

Japanese males--or any, or that matter--are meant to identify with that? What happened to MCs like the protagonist of Hagure Yuusha no Aesthetica? That was awesome--gorgeous and adorable FMC (without annoying character flaws) and an MC who deserved to have a prominent spot on any cover of the series you saw him on. He didn't need any of his harem to generate interest in the series for him. Somehow, a LN like that one was the one that didn't generate enough interest to be fully translated.

EDIT: Dropped as of fifth chapter. The MC was just too effeminate--despite everything he had by then.

 

[ZayB]

@Giga oh damn, I haven't seen anyone talking about that anime. I watched the anime a long while ago and I definitely agree that's a good MC. You're saying there's a novel? I can't say he's the best MC ever but he's definitely one of the better ones.

 

[Giga]

@ZayB: When it comes to male protagonists, there are those I like, those I tolerate, and those I hate. Ousawa Akatsuki was one I liked--I didn't just tolerate him, and I was interested in his exploits. Best of all, his interactions with women weren't weak at all--completely different from what was already being offered (Orimura Ichika of Infinite Stratos was the previous year...that show was an utter waste of time, and he was a huge part of why) or what was offered since.

Speaking of, I have noticed that the vast majority of MCs--especially if they're Japanese--are possessed of flimsy, if not effeminate, builds. There's nothing manly about them, and you can easily expect the kinds of effeminate behavior from them that was exhibited in this chapter. What's for sure, which one of them would bring a girl to orgasm and do this to her as it happens? The majority of them are too afraid of the female body to even get close to that far without the prior passage of 100+ chapters, anyway.

That said, the anime was a LN adaptation. There was a translation effort for it, but it was done piecemeal. (Absurdly so, and for equally absurd reasons--I read that those that were not translated were not because they were adapted to anime.)

 

[ZayB]

@Giga Of course there are exceptions depending on the plot. Arifureta for example and others like that where there's a soggy MC only at the beginning. Then they'll change. The problem with that is either I'll just get fed up before he changes, or (and this happens with Arifureta) the author will try and create a more masculine MC, but end up fucking up the entire character all together.

 

[Giga]

@ZayB: That series, once I came across it and started to learn about it, I completely wrote off the moment I found that it was yet another one in which the viewer (through the MC's perspective) is expected to regard an undeveloped piece of lolicon bait (that, under the right conditions, could pass as a longhaired boy) as somehow incomparably and/or irresistibly beautiful--even when there's a girl right next to her that blows her out entirely. I had far more than enough of that in the days of Zero no Tsukaima's Louise and all the other Shanaclones--I don't think it's quite that bad these days, though, but it exists.

I suspect it's related to that fear of breasts those MCs tend to come equipped with.

 

[ZayB]

@Giga The only reason they do that is so they can give the heroine the personality trait of "Saying I have small breast is taboo" or just overly conscious of their size which is just unnecessary. Another thing that's over used. But the reason it's over used is because it's popular. People like that shit. I don't particularly care but trends are only trends because people make it one. Same thing with isekai.

Shana I dropped somewhere but I can't even remember why. Zero I actually watched the whole thing and quite liked it. If you ask me why I'd never be able to awnser, the plot was awful and apart from a couple of scenes, the characters were plain.

 

[Giga]

@ZayB: It might be so--very likely, in fact: it'd be a fine way to illustrate the hotheaded girl's hair-trigger temper. However, I think that there's another pair of reasons why it's done: first, in an attempt to appear fresh (I don't get how at this point, when it's been done for years by now), they create in such girls and their characterization a rejection of traditional ideas of beauty--the girl, along with the MC's inexplicable interest in her and/or everyone else's high evaluation of her looks, is actually an instance of the author asserting, "Hey--girls like this are beautiful too~". The reader is railroaded into accepting this if any sort of immersion is to take place.

The second is a form of virtue signaling. It extends beyond looks and includes personality--you can see this in at least two of the Shanaclones--Louise and Taiga of Toradora. Both of them have abhorrent personalities (Louise goes so far as to savagely whip Saito--imagine seeing those wounds given by a guy to a girl), and neither of them receive comeuppance for what they do--only the MC's acceptance of all her flaws (in addition to their very few redeeming character traits) over every other (patently superior, especially in Louise's case) girl that shows up. Perhaps it's an extreme version of the assertion described above, in which the author says that the girl can be so repulsive as to abuse her lovers, but is still supremely lovely.

Anyway, I watched both to the end, but I didn't come away from either one with positive thoughts. Shana, I didn't like because the twist ending was poorly executed; Zero...just seemed like a waste of time, with Saito pledging so much loyalty to Louise the way he did, at the end. By that time, almost every girl around him proved themselves a better choice, with Louise constantly raging the way she did from episode one--supposed to be the modern tsundere appeal, I guess. And as you said, people liked it then, and they still like it now--even over instances of properly beautiful, genuinely sweet girls. Perhaps it's masochism.

 

[ZayB]

Haha 😂 Nice way to sum it up; Masochism.

Well as for the first one, it's not necessarily a bad thing that they do that, putting aside the fact of whether they do it right or not it's good they're attempting to curve from the norm.
To be fair it's not exactly easy to think of a completely new character idea everytime. Something that's wasn't normal yesterday could be normal today. The things they thought were different are becoming boring but because they can't think of anything new they stick with whatever they know works, like the small flat touchy beauty. And they fear that if they try to change it a little, people won't like em anymore.
Risky is rewarding, but safety can be beneficial.
In an entertainment point of view I'd rather see something overused done right, than see something new done wrong.


As for the second one..
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Idk.. I guess they're just stretching for that "true love" aspect of whatever your flaws are I still love ya. Which is.. I mean for romances if they didn't do that there'd be no story lol. The...how should I say...femdom thing is just whatever. Its anime, anime be like that. It is what it is. Whether it's comedy or kink adding things like that it's part of it. Why it is is bewildering but it just is.

 

[Johnnylemmon]

I guess the master is the cousin of MC