Issho ni Kurashite ii desu ka? - Ch. 39 - Can't We End This Mutual One-sided Love?

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Not that I really have any excuse cause the chapter names already make it plenty clear, but, perhaps 6 chapters wasn't a big enough pile to wait for.

As much as I knew better since this is a harem manga and one of Sasuga Kei's works (and despite the excellent points people have brought up here), part of me had hoped the 50/50 of a breakup vs them sorting things out and acknowledging each other's feelings would land on the other option.
 
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OMG the whole interaction with the friend was infuriating. Hiromi was incorrectly blaming himself for everything and the friend did nothing but pile on without even suggesting that Lili had done things wrong as well. If this was the person who was around Hiromi when he was dumped by his cheating ex it’s no surprise that his self esteem is so bad
Yeah, I was upset about that too. When his friend said, "How many times did you mess up?" I was like, hold on — don’t put that all on him. Sure, Hiromi made some mistakes, but let’s not pretend Lili didn’t have a hand in this too.

For everything Hiromi went through, no normal person would’ve had the resolve he did to hold back. Most people would’ve flipped out. But instead, he tries to give her the benefit of the doubt, still shows up to support her at her art exhibit — and then he has to hear everyone saying her male best friend, Hodaka, is a better fit for her than he is.

He can’t even tell everyone they’re in a relationship, but her friends knew. They knew Hiromi was her boyfriend, they knew she was taken, and they still said that. So yeah, I was immediately upset.

This is one area where I’ll have to disagree with you a bit. I couldn’t even believe it when she told her friends they were “never dating in the first place”, because that’s simply not true, they were in a committed relationship, and she’s trying to minimize it to reduce her own guilt.
She acknowledged that she messed up, but she did not take accountability. The things she told her friends about what she did wrong should have been said to Hiromi. He deserved and needed to hear that. Hiromi owned up to his mistakes directly and apologized, which is what Lili should have done. Instead, she told (what I believe) is a hurtful lie.
You know what? You’re right. Lili did say, "They were never in a relationship." And then she didn’t correct her friends when they said, "Well, he thought you were cheating." Hiromi never said that. He never even accused her of cheating.

Yeah, his emotions got the best of him. Yeah, he was jealous. But she never tried to reassure him that nothing was going on. Instead, she spent the night at Hodaka’s house, and her phone died — but she could’ve used Hodaka’s phone to call him or called the house to let them know she was okay. She didn’t do that. So when her friends said all that, I thought it was really messed up that she just let it slide.

She even said, "Maybe I turned him into that." But why do you feel that way? What reason do you have to feel that way? She doesn’t even elaborate. Instead, she lets her friends keep believing it was all Hiromi’s fault.

And honestly, I just think that was blatantly messed up.
This was the lie. It meant that the strong feelings were one-sided on Hiromi’s part and that she doesn’t feel that way about him (at least not anymore). That’s a tough pill to swallow and probably makes him question everything. He thought they were a real couple, but she’s denied it. If this was true she wouldn’t have been crying all night about it in her room. She did have strong feelings for Hiromi but decided to run away instead of doing the work.
Even if it was a lie, that’s something Lili should’ve never said. If she truly sees a future where she and Hiromi could be a family one day, saying the complete opposite is heartbreaking. She doesn’t seem to realize how traumatizing that could be for someone she just broke up with. And honestly, now that she said it, the damage is done.

That should’ve been Hiromi’s cue to back away — to just let it be. He should’ve said, "Hey, we can be friends one day, but right now, we can’t." There’s no going back to a relationship after something like that. To me, that moment solidified that Lili wasn’t emotionally ready for a relationship like that. And honestly, Hiromi should’ve taken it as a sign that maybe he wasn’t ready either. After all, he had just come out of two failed relationships only weeks apart. That should’ve been his wake-up call to do some soul searching.

It’s good that, by the end of the chapter, he goes to Wakayama to visit his grandparents — or at least that’s what it seems like. But we need more than that. We need to see him go a while without rushing into another relationship. And honestly, I wouldn’t even call it dating. It’s okay to humor the idea of dating again, but that should only happen once he’s fully healed or at least close to a full recovery. Otherwise, he’s just going to keep jumping into relationships and watching them fail because he never took the time to fix himself.
 
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You know what? You’re right. Lili did say, "They were never in a relationship." And then she didn’t correct her friends when they said, "Well, he thought you were cheating." Hiromi never said that. He never even accused her of cheating.
That’s quite true, and it’s not what he meant with that crappy comment he made either. That was a comment about who’s a better match. When all the housemates were suggesting she go for Hodaka, Lili didn’t say anything to indicate she wouldn’t be interested in him. That’s what Hiromi was responding to.

Yeah, his emotions got the best of him. Yeah, he was jealous. But she never tried to reassure him that nothing was going on. Instead, she spent the night at Hodaka’s house, and her phone died — but she could’ve used Hodaka’s phone to call him or called the house to let them know she was okay. She didn’t do that. So when her friends said all that, I thought it was really messed up that she just let it slide.
“My phone died” is the weakest excuse ever in 2025. It’s suspicious as fuck. No one in this situation would accept that in real life. As you said, there’s just too many other ways she could have checked in with her housemates and she chose none of them. I still think that something “not ok” happened when she was over there and that she is confused/ashamed about it. Maybe we’ll get a flashback later on?


Even if it was a lie, that’s something Lili should’ve never said. If she truly sees a future where she and Hiromi could be a family one day, saying the complete opposite is heartbreaking. She doesn’t seem to realize how traumatizing that could be for someone she just broke up with. And honestly, now that she said it, the damage is done.
Oh, it was probably the second worst thing she could have said. It was unforgivable and incredibly cowardly. She cut him really deep and she might only now be starting to realize it when he left. The only thing that would have been worse is if she admitted to cheating with Hodaka.

That should’ve been Hiromi’s cue to back away — to just let it be. He should’ve said, "Hey, we can be friends one day, but right now, we can’t." There’s no going back to a relationship after something like that. To me, that moment solidified that Lili wasn’t emotionally ready for a relationship like that. And honestly, Hiromi should’ve taken it as a sign that maybe he wasn’t ready either. After all, he had just come out of two failed relationships only weeks apart. That should’ve been his wake-up call to do some soul searching.
Agreed. Honestly, what I’m hoping for is for him to man up and tell everyone in the house that he broke the rules about dating and he’ll be moving out. He was lead by emotions before, now it’s time to clean up the fallout like an adult. That said, there’s almost no chance of that happening because the story would be over at that point. Author has bills to pay after all.
 
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These characters have the kind of emotional handling skills of toddlers.

One decides they have changed over the past week they have been dating, immediately telling the guy, who is supposed to be mentally grown up, she doesn’t see himself having a family with the guy.

The guy proceeds to leave everything behind to move with his parents because the immature girlfriend dump him.
You’re just assuming shit now , he probably had a family emergency so he left last minute. I highly doubt he moved to his parents. Even if it’s not an emergency he probably did it to get away for a bit to get his head straight. Something people have been asking for since he broke up with his ex and jumped straight into this relationship.
 
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I still think that something “not ok” happened when she was over there and that she is confused/ashamed about it. Maybe we’ll get a flashback later on?
Honestly, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way, because I found it suspicious that Lily would let her friends believe that Hiromi thinks she cheated on them. Why would they think that if she knows for a fact that Hiromi never even brought it up? He never accused her of cheating. So, how did they come to that conclusion? And then, she doesn't even try to correct it. Maybe something did happen, or maybe something is going to happen. If that’s the case, it would just prove that Hiromi was right to feel suspicious of Hodaka and Lily's "friendship."
Oh, it was probably the second worst thing she could have said. It was unforgivable and incredibly cowardly. She cut him really deep and she might only now be starting to realize it when he left. The only thing that would have been worse is if she admitted to cheating with Hodaka.
Exactly, the damage is done. What she said was wrong, even if it's a lie—she shouldn't have said it. And if she feels guilty about it, then good. I think Hiromi made the right decision by going back home to his hometown. I hope whatever he finds there gives him the strength to move forward and never try to pursue a relationship with her again.
 
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Lili was so ready to go for the guy just by him walking over and saying what's up? It was a week and she spent all of her time with another guy for a project but also tried hiding it was a guy. Yes neither were mature but like c'mon...
 
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I think it might have been a bit messed up to disappear in the middle of the night without leaving a note for a heads up. But Hiromi at least gave them a call to let them know he was alright at the earliest possible convenience without waking everyone up unlike a certain person. glares at Lily

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And dude was barely gone and Lily already felt like fainting. I hope that she has the self awareness to realize that this was barely 1% of what Hiromi felt when was gone for that one night without any notification.
 
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I guess you overlooked the part where I said that since his relationship with Chika ended, I believe Hiromi should take a step back, reassess the situation, and focus on personal growth before jumping into another relationship.
I don't know a way to phrase the idea that "focusing on personal growth" by staying alone and contemplating is nonsensical, since such "personal growth" is simply not something that happens in reality, that'd be more clear and obvious than I did already.

It’s probably one of the weirdest comments I’ve read so far
I guess you don't read much then.
 
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but the brain doesn't stop developing until the mid to late 20s.
How about we stop reading only headlines and read actual studies, yeah? The issue with this sentiment is that there are two main studies that people have pulled this from, starting with this one that had it's oldest samples at 30 (Brain maturation in adolescence, Christian K. Tamnes), but people didn't read fully into it so they wouldn't know that the structural growth curves hadn't plateaued in subjects at that age. In another study on the matter (Prediction of Individual Brain Maturity using fMRI, Nico Dosenbach and colleagues) they found that "maturity" in some subjects at 8 years old yielded better results than some 25 year old subjects, however that's not the second that I've seen referenced that I mentioned. That one would be a study comparing brain responses to negative stimuli from 2016 (When Is an Adolescent an Adult?, Alexandra Cohen and colleagues) where they found that 18-21 year olds have a more similar reaction to negative stimuli when compared to 13-17 groups vs the reaction seen in 22-25 year old groups. People attributed this, as well as the study I first mentioned amongst others, that the brain stops developing around 25 years old. However, Alexandra Cohen herself has stated “I don’t think there’s anything magical about the age of 25.”

The truth of it all, or at least from what I have read, is that there really is no definitive moment where we can say that the brain is "developed". Our brains are in a constant cycle of shrinking and growing, and the reason why I started this all by saying there's an "issue with this sentiment" is because I've noticed people have taken these studies, misconstrued them severely, and then proceeded to use them as an excuse so people don't have to take responsibility. People will also only use these studies when it comes to only negativity or instances of perceived immaturity, since no one will look at Joan of Arc and go "well she shouldn't have done that, her brain wasn't fully developed."

Anyways, that's all. Hopefully you and others will read this and go look into it yourselves. Who knows? Maybe y'all will read them and come back with a "Hey dipshit, you didn't read this part" and prove me wrong, which can be likely, but at least we all will leave with more knowledge than we started with.
 
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I don't know a way to phrase the idea that "focusing on personal growth" by staying alone and contemplating is nonsensical, since such "personal growth" is simply not something that happens in reality, that'd be more clear and obvious than I did already.
Well, you’ve got to be one ass-backwards type of person to believe that personal growth doesn't happen when you're not trying to pursue a relationship. A person who's working on themselves — that shit happens all the time in reality. Only an idiot would believe that jumping into another relationship after getting out of two failed relationships is the logical approach to what he's going through. Fuckin' stupid.
I guess you don't read much then.
Honestly, I think the world would be a better place if I never had to read another one of your dumbass comments. But here we are.
 
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Emotions are very complicated, I do agree with their breakup. It didnt ever feel right, like it was a bandaid from his previous relationship and that she was looking for connection.
 
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What a drama queen though one thing for sure I definitely agreed with what lily said dating her really did get the worst out of him, he has become way more unlikeable for that bit of time and she certainly had a lot to play into that, like no regular guy would just accept some of these scenarios she had with that guy especially after the blame game she played on him after their first date. I hope we never get back to this relationship because these 2 are just so incompatible in so many ways.
 
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Should have gone to Brazil

Out of curiosity, Wakayama is about 550km from Tokyo. Google maps says you can make the trip in about 5h by train/shinkansen for 18000 Yen (120 USD), which is quite impressive.
Surely, that cannot be by shinkansen. It's barely faster than driving! But that price. . .

For an American, 550km is about a 6-7 hour drive on the highway, less than 5 hours if you speed a bit, using around $50 in gas and maybe a $20 meal along the way. So this is the glory of everyone's vaunted public transit systems; I guess you get to pretend to be cattle for a bit, if you're into that.
Bashing public transit aside,
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I find it funny that so many people here can't get over Hiromi peacing out for a bit. Dude just just got dumped while trying to reconcile their relationship, that shit's hard on a guy even when the two don't live together and these two are share mates. Let the man have some space. Doesn't matter if there was some family emergency or not, let the man have some space.
 
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These characters have the kind of emotional handling skills of toddlers.

One decides they have changed over the past week they have been dating, immediately telling the guy, who is supposed to be mentally grown up, she doesn’t see himself having a family with the guy.

The guy proceeds to leave everything behind to move with his parents because the immature girlfriend dump him.
Doubt hes moving in with his parents nor that it was bc of lili
 
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These characters have the kind of emotional handling skills of toddlers.

One decides they have changed over the past week they have been dating, immediately telling the guy, who is supposed to be mentally grown up, she doesn’t see himself having a family with the guy.

The guy proceeds to leave everything behind to move with his parents because the immature girlfriend dump him.
Yeah, and this is the same guy that have been considerate with them, knew their worries, and shows he have an actual mental maturity. Even going as far as to know to break up with his ex.

The he suddenly do this. Which I guess happened just for the sake of drama, and filling up the story. When the author could've just make a post-confession story with two of them becoming a couple.

Truly a sasuga kei move. He probably gonna cycle this drama until Hiromi settle with one of the housemate.. Or, knowing him, Hiromi could just not end up with anyone at the end.

Dropping this manga for now, will come back if it have ended so I can see how thing goes.
 
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Those of you talking about him moving back in with his parents seem to have all ready forgotten that he's a legit orphan. Only his grandmother is left. Something related to her health is probably the case here.
 

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