Itsudemo Jitaku ni Kaereru Ore wa, Isekai de Gyoushounin wo Hajimemashita - Vol. 6 Ch. 58

[Tenri]

That's not correct. Empathy is the ability to comprehend and share other people's feelings. Her decision was based on what she just heard from his sisters, no need to empathize at all. It's true empathy, like any ability, can be used for less than laudable goals though.

Empathy is not sympathy. She understands how the sisters feel, she just doesn't care beyond using it to her advantage.

 

[PotatoZero]

Does anyone have spoilers for who is in the harem or if it is a harem?

The catgirl is the only one to be confirmed to have romantic feelings for MC.
There's some very light flirting, if you even call it that, with the mayor, and the Mother Dragon basically don't mind mating with MC, but I don't think it's romantic interest and instead just devotion.

 

[Seetee]

Thank you for the translation!

Somehow this seems like a completely new manga, with a new plot.

 

[MesaOracle]

Elmer Fudd was right. Kill the rabbit!

 

[XNFEdayo]

Extremely disappointing rabbit

As a guy who I thought I loved all rabbit girls equally....even I'm disgusted with her....

And it seems the baby dragon 100% imprinted on MC. He can't escape the papa role now.

 

[finalm]

Empathy is solely the ability to understand another person's viewpoint and how they feel, and nothing to do with actually sharing those feelings; that's compassion, and people get the two mixed up all the time (in part due to deliberate semantic bleed to make empathy seem less of a tool for manipulation and more of a Good Thing™). Compassion is that sympathetic resonance of emotion, and is why you see people who are very empathetic towards one group (or even many groups) turn around and are absolutely vile towards another group (or, again, many groups), because they only have compassion for their ingroup or ingroups and not for their outgroups.

Open any dictionary, book on the subject, or even just search the net and you'll find that your definitions are wrong. A crucial part of empathy is the ability to experience the same feelings as another, even if you're not currently in his/her situation. Without that there can't be any real understanding - any sociopath may be able to put a name to someone's state of mind just from outward observation, that does not mean he gets it. Compassion on the other hand, is defined as feeling sympathy for the suffering of others, that's all.

As for your comment on empathy being a tool of manipulation, that concernes me, since I've heard similar things from the "empathy is a sin" crowd, who spew any BS to justify their own inhuman behaviour. I sure as hell hope you don't subscribe to any of that.

 

[finalm]

Empathy is not sympathy. She understands how the sisters feel, she just doesn't care beyond using it to her advantage.

My comment does not discuss whether or not she's capable of empathy. I simply pointed out that she does not need to be in this particular context.

 

[TheGibber]

A bit of correction.

Her real name is "Alice Gawamio"

But when she arrived in Japan in the past, her name was mispronounced and she became known as "Arisugawa Mio" instead (English wasn't that properly understood commonly back then).

The reason the twins mistaken their Grandma, because MC introduces her with her real name "Alice".

Not in my TL he didn't xD. And didn't she say that "Mio" was a name the her husband gave her? And the "Arisugawa" name is their family name, so I would assume the whole name was Japanese in origin.

 

[albirew]

any demonic beings when reading about the trashy rabbit:

 

[Morose]

Not in my TL he didn't xD. And didn't she say that "Mio" was a name the her husband gave her? And the "Arisugawa" name is their family name, so I would assume the whole name was Japanese in origin.

Yeah, i checked previous Manga chapters, and in Chapter 53 she does say that "Mio" was a name given to her by Grandpa, while the family name on the grave was "Arisugawa".

But question is, what was Granny's old name?

I mean she had been alive for thousands of years in the other world, so she had to have had a name there.

Also, there is a possibility that "Alice Gawamio" is her actual name, which was modified into "Arisugawa Mio" by Grandpa (thus giving her the name "Mio") and he also took on her new Surname as his own after he married her (in Japan, it is not uncommon for a Man to marry into his Wife's house and adopt her surname).

 

[Imryse]

this has gone way down hill since the introduction of the sisters.

 

[Amariithynar]

Open any dictionary, book on the subject, or even just search the net and you'll find that your definitions are wrong. A crucial part of empathy is the ability to experience the same feelings as another, even if you're not currently in his/her situation. Without that there can't be any real understanding - any sociopath may be able to put a name to someone's state of mind just from outward observation, that does not mean he gets it. Compassion on the other hand, is defined as feeling sympathy for the suffering of others, that's all.

As for your comment on empathy being a tool of manipulation, that concernes me, since I've heard similar things from the "empathy is a sin" crowd, who spew any BS to justify their own inhuman behaviour. I sure as hell hope you don't subscribe to any of that.

Again, that is only the surface level constant misapplication of the meaning of compassion to empathy, not empathy itself. Empathy is derived from the German word Einfühlung, loosely meaning "feeling into" (and one of three words coined for this purpose of describing aspects of feeling art on different aspects; the other two being Zufühlung or "feeling towards" the sensory properties, such as brightness and color, and Nachfühlung, or "feeling along", meaning the motor properties, e.g. the sense of motion or stillness imparted), and is from a theory of art appreciation that maintains appreciation depends on the viewer's ability to project their personality into the viewed object. It then came to be applied to people in much the same way, the projection of one's personality into the shoes of another person, with the goal of understanding how it feels to be in that position. It's nothing about actually feeling how they feel, just understanding how and why they feel the way they feel so you can properly communicate.

Now, to address your second point and the aspersions you have cast upon me; No, empathy is not a sin. The effort to ascribe the positive connotations of compassion to empathy was in regards to its potential for abuse as a tool for manipulation. This isn't a new concept, either; Even the original 1990 paper on Emotional Intelligence by Salovey and Meyer speaks of Social Intelligence (the umbrella set to which emotional intelligence, and thus empathy, belongs to) as, "the ability to understand and manage people", and that Thorndike, who initially coined the term to differentiate it from rational intelligence (aka "intelligence" as we know it sans sociology), defined it as "the ability to perceive one's own and others' internal states, motives, and behaviors, and to act toward them optimally on the basis of that Information". Yet even they acknowledge that it often is noted that social Intelligence, "boils down to the ability to manipulate the responses of others ... " and acknowledges that, while crassly put, "The essential thing is that the person ... is able to get others consistently and voluntarily to do the things he wants them to do and even like doing so ..." is accurate to the concept. It is about manipulation at its core. Even for emotional intelligence separate from social intelligence (that is, as the subset alone), they note that, "interpersonal intelligence involves, among other things, the ability to monitor others' moods and temperaments and to enlist such knowledge into the service of predicting their future behavior", again acknowledging that even their subset is about manipulation of others through the understanding of them. That does not mean it is intrinsically BAD, but it could very easily be used for evil purposes with little effort, and is, most commonly by narcissists.

Several sources to back up my claims:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042812000869?ref=cra_js_challenge&fr=RR-1

http://nwkpsych.rutgers.edu/~kharber/selectedtopicsinsocialpsychology/READINGS/Bloom 2017 Empathy and its discontents.pdf

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/...01309/are-you-being-influenced-or-manipulated

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2158244020971615

https://center.uoregon.edu/Starting.../KEY_46201/pub153_SaloveyMayerICP1990_OCR.pdf

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/empathy/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1074558/full

(not really a scholarly article, but provides a good example of such manipulation being done in a common setting, and some follow-up) https://www.mindtools.com/axtfdfb/dealing-with-manipulative-people

 

[Hoezell]

Pls just timeskip to the grandma or the mayor next chapter...

 

[finalm]

Again, that is only the surface level constant misapplication of the meaning of compassion to empathy, not empathy itself. Empathy is derived from the German word Einfühlung, loosely meaning "feeling into" (and one of three words coined for this purpose of describing aspects of feeling art on different aspects; the other two being Zufühlung or "feeling towards" the sensory properties, such as brightness and color, and Nachfühlung, or "feeling along", meaning the motor properties, e.g. the sense of motion or stillness imparted), and is from a theory of art appreciation that maintains appreciation depends on the viewer's ability to project their personality into the viewed object. It then came to be applied to people in much the same way, the projection of one's personality into the shoes of another person, with the goal of understanding how it feels to be in that position. It's nothing about actually feeling how they feel, just understanding how and why they feel the way they feel so you can properly communicate.

Honestly, nothing from this paragraph, save the last two sentences is on topic. As for them I think you misunderstand. I wasn't saying that in order to emphasize you need to start feelinig the same emotions as the person in question right now, merely that you need to be familiar with them i.e. to have experienced them yourself in the past and still have the ability to. If those conditions are not met, then you won't understand. That's the "sharing" part. In general, I find it problematic, that you speak of "surface level misapplications" in response to my "please refer to the definition". Are you claiming the majority of literature is somehow grossly wrong about said definitions?

Now, to address your second point and the aspersions you have cast upon me; No, empathy is not a sin. The effort to ascribe the positive connotations of compassion to empathy was in regards to its potential for abuse as a tool for manipulation. This isn't a new concept, either; Even the original 1990 paper on Emotional Intelligence by Salovey and Meyer speaks of Social Intelligence (the umbrella set to which emotional intelligence, and thus empathy, belongs to) as, "the ability to understand and manage people", and that Thorndike, who initially coined the term to differentiate it from rational intelligence (aka "intelligence" as we know it sans sociology), defined it as "the ability to perceive one's own and others' internal states, motives, and behaviors, and to act toward them optimally on the basis of that Information". Yet even they acknowledge that it often is noted that social Intelligence, "boils down to the ability to manipulate the responses of others ... " and acknowledges that, while crassly put, "The essential thing is that the person ... is able to get others consistently and voluntarily to do the things he wants them to do and even like doing so ..." is accurate to the concept. It is about manipulation at its core. Even for emotional intelligence separate from social intelligence (that is, as the subset alone), they note that, "interpersonal intelligence involves, among other things, the ability to monitor others' moods and temperaments and to enlist such knowledge into the service of predicting their future behavior", again acknowledging that even their subset is about manipulation of others through the understanding of them. That does not mean it is intrinsically BAD, but it could very easily be used for evil purposes with little effort, and is, most commonly by narcissists.

Several sources to back up my claims:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042812000869?ref=cra_js_challenge&fr=RR-1

http://nwkpsych.rutgers.edu/~kharber/selectedtopicsinsocialpsychology/READINGS/Bloom 2017 Empathy and its discontents.pdf

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/...01309/are-you-being-influenced-or-manipulated

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2158244020971615

https://center.uoregon.edu/Starting.../KEY_46201/pub153_SaloveyMayerICP1990_OCR.pdf

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/empathy/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1074558/full

(not really a scholarly article, but provides a good example of such manipulation being done in a common setting, and some follow-up) https://www.mindtools.com/axtfdfb/dealing-with-manipulative-people

I'm not acusing you, I clearly said it reminds me of some of the "points" others have made and that I hoped it's not what you were getting at. Just denying it would have been enough, you know... I get that you're ultra-focused on proving your point that empathy can be used for someone's personal gain rather than the benefit of all, but the thing is, I never claimed otherwise (in fact I acknowledged it). The problem is that this has veered severly off course - emotional intelligence and manipulation through emotions are different topics altogether and far too broad for me to get into. I will mention however, that your sources heavily refer to NLP which is pretty much the equivalent of criminal profiling and graphology in the scientific community. Not something you want to base any kind of view on.

Also, I'm sorry to say this, but can you please talk normally? This reads like a language model's output and even has the weird tangents to match. I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

 

[AnatolianTurk]

I miss when this manga was abt being a merchant and selling shit.... i dont care abt sum loli dragon

 

[Amariithynar]

snip

Also, I'm sorry to say this, but can you please talk normally? This reads like a language model's output and even has the weird tangents to match. I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

Go concern troll someone else since you aren't willing to actually intellectually engage with the topic.

 

[totaly_random_guy]

can someone incinerate that xeno

 

[arashikitsu]

Again, that is only the surface level constant misapplication of the meaning of compassion to empathy, not empathy itself. Empathy is derived from the German word Einfühlung, loosely meaning "feeling into" (and one of three words coined for this purpose of describing aspects of feeling art on different aspects; the other two being Zufühlung or "feeling towards" the sensory properties, such as brightness and color, and Nachfühlung, or "feeling along", meaning the motor properties, e.g. the sense of motion or stillness imparted), and is from a theory of art appreciation that maintains appreciation depends on the viewer's ability to project their personality into the viewed object. It then came to be applied to people in much the same way, the projection of one's personality into the shoes of another person, with the goal of understanding how it feels to be in that position. It's nothing about actually feeling how they feel, just understanding how and why they feel the way they feel so you can properly communicate.

Now, to address your second point and the aspersions you have cast upon me; No, empathy is not a sin. The effort to ascribe the positive connotations of compassion to empathy was in regards to its potential for abuse as a tool for manipulation. This isn't a new concept, either; Even the original 1990 paper on Emotional Intelligence by Salovey and Meyer speaks of Social Intelligence (the umbrella set to which emotional intelligence, and thus empathy, belongs to) as, "the ability to understand and manage people", and that Thorndike, who initially coined the term to differentiate it from rational intelligence (aka "intelligence" as we know it sans sociology), defined it as "the ability to perceive one's own and others' internal states, motives, and behaviors, and to act toward them optimally on the basis of that Information". Yet even they acknowledge that it often is noted that social Intelligence, "boils down to the ability to manipulate the responses of others ... " and acknowledges that, while crassly put, "The essential thing is that the person ... is able to get others consistently and voluntarily to do the things he wants them to do and even like doing so ..." is accurate to the concept. It is about manipulation at its core. Even for emotional intelligence separate from social intelligence (that is, as the subset alone), they note that, "interpersonal intelligence involves, among other things, the ability to monitor others' moods and temperaments and to enlist such knowledge into the service of predicting their future behavior", again acknowledging that even their subset is about manipulation of others through the understanding of them. That does not mean it is intrinsically BAD, but it could very easily be used for evil purposes with little effort, and is, most commonly by narcissists.

Several sources to back up my claims:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042812000869?ref=cra_js_challenge&fr=RR-1

http://nwkpsych.rutgers.edu/~kharber/selectedtopicsinsocialpsychology/READINGS/Bloom 2017 Empathy and its discontents.pdf

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/...01309/are-you-being-influenced-or-manipulated

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2158244020971615

https://center.uoregon.edu/Starting.../KEY_46201/pub153_SaloveyMayerICP1990_OCR.pdf

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/empathy/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1074558/full

(not really a scholarly article, but provides a good example of such manipulation being done in a common setting, and some follow-up) https://www.mindtools.com/axtfdfb/dealing-with-manipulative-people

I… honestly don’t think I would see a discourse like this here of all places www

Usually I see them at conferences

 

[Amariithynar]

I… honestly don’t think I would see a discourse like this here of all places www

Usually I see them at conferences

Thank you for the compliment!

 

[finalm]

Go concern troll someone else since you aren't willing to actually intellectually engage with the topic.

I would hardly call posting word salads (seemingly AI-generated ones, to boot) "intellectual", but I guess it must have worked before, given how used you are to this. Seeing how it immediately makes you run for the hills, I suppose I should have lead with this, instead of trying to eke out any sense from it. Oh well.