Bouryoku Banzai - Ch. 14 - Dreams

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Last page, where you said the problem was that 'it's not realistic', which is not a problem at all.

Here.

Factually the win-condition make perfect sense with what has been shown about the FemMC so far and that's what matters.

Why though? I provided an explanation on why I didn’t think so then can you give me a reason why you think it works?

Cause my problem is Rindou doesn’t use “violence “ to solve her problem she just cheats for a cop out win against fuwa.

Also even if this is within character I already said how this is narratively unsatisfying as well and the reason for that.

No problem if You have a different opinion but I want to understand your perspective if possible.

 

[Tymo]

So it does exist.


Yes we can, we literally see the guy she threw OUT the car next to her so clearly they crashed right after she did that so she was still insided. She can't have jumped out as it was moving either because her clothes aren't even dirty.


We clearly see what happened.


1: All men.

2: First fight was against 2, not 3.

3: None of those fights were 3 people attacking from behind in an enclosed space, in both exemple, the guy who won was the one who started attacking first and the second one clearly did it by surprise after giving himself an advantageous position.

So no, you can't beat 3 people who attack you from behind.


They certainly have more experience beating up people than your average 'trained person', that's for sure.

Yes, it exists, thats literally why I used parentheses in the first place, because you don't know how to differentiate them.

No, we literally don't see what happened inside the car, we don't know how long it lasted, how far they went and neither if she was still inside the car until it crashed, we don't know, she wasn't drawn getting off the car and neither staying in the car. That ambiguity is the writting element that makes the car crashing incredible, since we don't know what happened exactly.

My point was about trained people against untrained people. You firstly said that 3-4 guys would put an MMA athlete in coma. I showed you there's evidence this is not true, that's it. Besides, she was caught off-guard, but their first intention was restriction, not violence, so they didn't "attack" her from behind, and since violence wasn't their first intention, she throwing the guy out of the window was what configured as her taking the initiative towards violence, right? Just like the guys in the videos.

This manga already brings different elements by making a girl the mentor figure that is the epitome of violence, which is uncommon, I like it, I didn't expect this manga to turn into a sports manga where Rikudou would train the MC, but the least I would expect would be for her to suffer against the fight against the athlete not only physically but mentally. If we go by powerscalling, the athlete should not only have the physical advantage, but also more knowledge than her towards violence since he's older than her. What the author is doing here by trying to picture a fighter from a real fighting category is really undermining what any martial artitst goes through and needs to know to practice their fighting and restrict their strength. If anything, even that first punch that should've knocked her out in reality would be a light one.

 

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Yes, it exists, thats literally why I used parentheses in the first place, because you don't know how to differentiate them.

No, we literally don't see what happened inside the car, we don't know how long it lasted, how far they went and neither if she was still inside the car until it crashed, we don't know, she wasn't drawn getting off the car and neither staying in the car. That ambiguity is the writting element that makes the car crashing incredible, since we don't know what happened exactly.

My point was about trained people against untrained people. You firstly said that 3-4 guys would put an MMA athlete in coma. I showed you there's evidence this is not true, that's it. Besides, she was caught off-guard, but their first intention was restriction, not violence, so they didn't "attack" her from behind, and since violence wasn't their first intention, she throwing the guy out of the window was what configured as her taking the initiative towards violence, right? Just like the guys in the videos.

This manga already brings different elements by making a girl the mentor figure that is the epitome of violence, which is uncommon, I like it, I didn't expect this manga to turn into a sports manga where Rikudou would train the MC, but the least I would expect would be for her to suffer against the fight against the athlete not only physically but mentally. If we go by powerscalling, the athlete should not only have the physical advantage, but also more knowledge than her towards violence since he's older than her. What the author is doing here by trying to picture a fighter from a real fighting category is really undermining what any martial artitst goes through and needs to know to practice their fighting and restrict their strength. If anything, even that first punch that should've knocked her out in reality would be a light one.

Good Point.

I think though you and that guy should stop arguing at this point. You won’t be able to convince that guy and will just waste your time.

I do hope you guys both have good days despite everything and let’s just hope the manga will just get better from here on for everyone.

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

Why though?

Because realism isn't part of this story so it's absence is irrelevant and not a problem.

she just cheats for a cop out win against fuwa.
That has nothing to do with realism.

this is narratively unsatisfying as well and the reason for that.

It's not supposed to be narratively satisfying, it's supposed to be a justification for why the MC sticks with her and in-universe, it's the FemMC getting jealous her friend is paying attention to someone else instead of listening to her.

Yes, it exists,

But you said the opposite earlier.

No, we literally don't see what happened inside the car

Yes, we do. We literally see she threw the guy out window.

we don't know how long it lasted, how far they went

Yes, we do, we know they crashed right after she threw the guy since he's right there on the ground, it lasted 3 panels.

That ambiguity

There's absolutely no ambiguity at all. None. It literally can't be clearer, you're just in super deep denial right now.

that makes the car crashing incredible,

The car crashing is credible because she's just that strong and the entire manga is super clear about it, just like with the MMA guy.

My point was about trained people against untrained people.

Your point is wrong. Trained vs Untrained doesn't mean shit when the 'untrained' fights for real in the streets for money as his job.

You firstly said that 3-4 guys would put an MMA athlete in coma

Which they would.

showed you there's evidence this is not true,

You didn't, you showed two exemples where some guy starting throwing punches by surprise from an advantageous position against people who were neither ready nor willing to actually fight. Show me a group surrounding someone to beat them up being defeated by the guy they surrounded and maybe it'll be closer to what we're talking about since you clearly can't find a single exemple of someone beating a group attacking them from behind.

so they didn't "attack" her from behind

Yes, they did.

right?

No, not right, in the slighest, in any way, shape or form in any universe. I have no idea how you even slightly thought this was a coherent thought.

Three guys jumping you from behind IS an attack and IS violence. Try escaping from 3 different holds at once, see if it's not violence.

but the least I would expect would be for her to suffer against the fight against the athlete not only physically but mentally

You expect wrong. There's absolutely nothing in the manga that even slightly hinted at that being a thing you should expect, it did the EXACT opposite.

If we go by powerscalling, the athlete should not only have the physical advantage, but also more knowledge than her towards violence since he's older than her.

Literally at no point in the manga is any of that established or hinted and the manga actually establish and hint at the exact opposite. You have literally made up a bunch of stuff about both characters that the manga simply does not support.

And no, by powerscailing, she curbstomp his shit because that's what she just did as her feat in the manga, in addition to her feat of denting the door of a car while restrained and no selling a car crash. Powerscailing goes by feats and nothing else, not by 'well, he's a MMA champion so he ought to blablabla', either he's shown he can do something or he didn't.

If anything, even that first punch that should've knocked her out in reality would be a light one.

Again, you're basing that on absolutely nothing actually present in the manga.

let’s just hope the manga will just get better from here on

I hope the manga continues as is without a single change.

 

[Tymo]

Good Point.

I think though you and that guy should stop arguing at this point. You won’t be able to convince that guy and will just waste your time.

I do hope you guys both have good days despite everything and let’s just hope the manga will just get better from here on for everyone.

Yeah, I already knew, but wanted to make him discuss in a civilized way instead of the approach he was doing before. Kinda bashing my head to a wall here, but when someone doesn't see any flaw in a work and think it's perfect the way it is, you know there's something wrong since no piece of media is "perfect" .

 

[Tymo]

I hope the manga continues as is without a single change.

Real question, you really think this manga is perfect without any flaws that could be improved on? That'll settle some questioning I was having

 

[Marrro90123]

Picturing gojo scraping with her, and she still somehow wins.

Ye she fought gojo successfully

 

[RedReReader]

Everything here has been perfectly logical.

...Yeah, hell no.

We're not. Not in the slightest. Realistic martial art has never been a part of the manga.

There's whole panels trying to explain to the readers moves and their function.

She doesn't, that's just consistently what she's capable of.

I get that she took out 3 scrawny goons and one gym bro but this is beyond all of the previous cases.

Irrelevant. We're talking about the story, not some autism 'My dad is stronger than your dad' barely disguised flamewar.

It's relevant. he said it's refreshing but the amount of op women is by no means small, be it in martial manga's or different genres, with the latter being filled with baffling amounts.
I don't really get the rest of your comment however, how is what you said relevant?

How come there is absolutely 0 such discussion in Top 1 Fighting Tutor's comments then? Despite it literally being about a small guy taking down guys 3 times his size who can literally punch people across the room?

Idk what you're referring to nor is it related to my opinion, if that manga or whatever is suppose to be some hyper realistic and martial arts focused it's a problem with the story that some guy can do that,
Not to mention this MC has 0 experience, martial masters can at least fight bigger opponents.

 

[Mechuy]

half The reason I keep reading is to see the freak outs in the comments lmao

 

[Xero210234]

how did you figure it out? does eating crayons give you enhanced perceptiveness?

That sounds like a perk you would get out of fallout 😭

 

[rabidfish]

it's all good. Not even mad.
I just won't expect any sensible amount of realism from now on.
Like most other battle manga out there. It's fine.

 

[haedon44]

Hey at least he get to feel her big boobs on his back before he die

 

[Entity_K]

I didn't expect this manga to trigger a drama. As a reader, I just want to see a hot, crazy girl go violent (in a martial arts fight style, or something like that), because I haven't read stuff like that before.

 

[pxdoru.]

of course the fkin heavy weight champion loses to a high school girl 🤦‍♂️ what the hell has she been through to get to that level

 

[Cesbon]

Either way, the manga is still ASS

 

[HoshiNoNighty]

half The reason I keep reading is to see the freak outs in the comments lmao

It's the best part, I kinda wish the next chapter has all the gym people watching the fight freak out too now.

 

[KanchouM]

This is the Kakeguri author and honestly I think people went in with the hot crazy violent lady, saw there was some pretty good art and decent premise and then just filled in gaps that aren't there like how this is supposed to be realistic cause it uses basic martial arts knowledge.

My problem is the story is just way less interesting compared to the original premise in the one shot.

But, the fact she took like 3 or 4 head twisting hooks and didn't get knocked the fuck out does make the whole thing feel like there's no real weight to any of the fighting she gets into. I just didn't care if she won this one or not and wanted to get on with the story. I get the message with her playing as dirty as she could but it just didn't land for me.

I'll still read it because I am a dumpster diving raccoon that eats the hottest dogshit.

 

[ENCORAAAAAAAAA]

half The reason I keep reading is to see the freak outs in the comments lmao

Your profile pic is based and fits

 

[Shitty]

I'm here for the hype moments and aura and that's what I'm getting..

Anyway I do BJJ and RNC is really hard to escape, if it's fully locked you have like a 10% chance of escaping that

 

[0takuDragonSlayer]

I will say I'm legit glad she's so strong cause you don't see many women in manga like this

Want some recommendations?