Kanojo ni Uwaki Sareteita Ore ga, Koakuma na Kouhai ni Natsukareteimasu - Ch. 31

[Mordeurmine]

Nah, all of these comments are just simply crazy. Do we even read the same chapter??? Just switch up the fck*n role, imagine ur GF is the one who has a male best friend that just straight far superior than you instead. And furthermore, he chose to ask her for a help when he was in trouble instead of even mentioning anything to you, and you just found out by accident after it happened. Communication?? Straight asking him if he is cheating?? Asking him to just straight cut-off his best friend?? Most of these actions would not exactly do you any goods. Miscommunication happens all the time, there are a lot of things that can't be easily communicate with and are much better not to, no matter what kind of relationship you have. Can't even really blame her all that much, all she did was trying to test if she will feel guilty or not on a whim if she is the one having an opposite gender best friend instead. Honestly, this mange deserves harem route ending judging by how the story is being told this far.

Wait i missclicked and idk how to delete messages gonna send an other message bellow

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

This is some next level mental gymnastics on her part.

 

[Beatrice]

im laughing my fucking ass off

this is the definite stereotype of a "woman moment". The mental gymnastics she takes upon herself to do this is crazy work.

 

[sorausagi]

I was referring to when he asked if she was fine with him continuing to text and hang out with Ayaka, and offered to limit that if Reina wasn't comfortable with it -- prior to him seeing her with Glasses on their one-year and subsequently breaking up with her.

Yuuta was down to be open to Reina about his friendship with Ayaka, tried to get them to hang out so that Reina wouldn't feel threatened by a person who was important to him, and Reina just said "it's fine" and then continued to stay silent when it wasn't.
Yuuta, like everyone ever, could probably have been more observant to Reina's moods, but he's not a mind reader. If she's not gonna say anything about what's bothering her, after saying that she wasn't bothered, then that's not really on him, and I'm still confused as to why you continue to make it sound like Yuuta's at fault for not having telepathy.

Also - the whole "he went to Ayaka and not Reina for his problem" thing?
That was involving stuff at his university, which Reina didn't go to. Ayaka was clearly the better choice to actually help him resolve things. Yes, he could have said something to Reina about why he seemed stressed and needed to spend time working on stuff, but that's about the only thing he did wrong. And when she saw the texts from Ayaka after the fact, Yuuta still said "I'm happy to stop doing that if it bothers you" and she still just went radio silent over it.
That's the gist of why people are saying Reina's the one who really fucked up here. She had every opportunity to speak her mind and clear the air with Yuuta, and she just....didn't. Instead she went to Natsuki, who for whatever reason decided to jump to "oh yeah that dude I've never met is cheating on you with that woman I've never met".
And then she let herself be talked into considering cheating on Yuuta, one their one-year, by Glasses who, ironically, said "I'd never cheat on you! Now cheat on your boyfriend with me!"
Every step of the way, Reina made the wrong decision, the doubled down, and then turned around and came chasing after Yuuta 3 months later, and then when confronted about it, said

"actually I didn't cheat", and proceeded to explain how she cheated.

Reina has no justification trying to worm her way back into Yuuta's life. And I'm disappointed that he'll likely bend over for her all over again in the near future.

Yuuta was down to be open to Reina about his friendship with Ayaka, tried to get them to hang out so that Reina wouldn't feel threatened by a person who was important to him, and Reina just said "it's fine" and then continued to stay silent when it wasn't.
Yuuta, like everyone ever, could probably have been more observant to Reina's moods, but he's not a mind reader. If she's not gonna say anything about what's bothering her, after saying that she wasn't bothered, then that's not really on him, and I'm still confused as to why you continue to make it sound like Yuuta's at fault for not having telepathy.

Yes she was fine with it at the start thats the point as time went on as she talked more with natsuki even if it was to her detriment sent a lot of doubt and thats my point. Should she have talked with yuuta about this yes I'm not saying she was in the right either. He was down in getting them to meet but he was also naive in thinking that everything was okay and didnt do much outside of yeah we are just friends.

Yuuta still said "I'm happy to stop doing that if it bothers you" and she still just went radio silent over it.\

Yuuta said absolutely nothing when Reina saw the text of Ayaka when she texted the problem was fixed which was when she her doubts started to become more and more apparent.

That's the gist of why people are saying Reina's the one who really fucked up here. She had every opportunity to speak her mind and clear the air with Yuuta, and she just....didn't. Instead she went to Natsuki, who for whatever reason decided to jump to "oh yeah that dude I've never met is cheating on you with that woman I've never met".

And im not disagreeing with people who said she fucked up. But raking her over the coals over what amounts to a lack of communication and misunderstanding at least to me is crazy. Reina did have every opportunity to communicate but what happenes if every time she does she gets blocked by ayaka? Yuuta had already blocked her so its not like she had a lot of options in being able to tell her side of the story.

Yuuta, like everyone ever, could probably have been more observant to Reina's moods, but he's not a mind reader. If she's not gonna say anything about what's bothering her, after saying that she wasn't bothered, then that's not really on him, and I'm still confused as to why you continue to make it sound like Yuuta's at fault for not having telepathy.

Yuuta is also at fault because he also didn't communicate much. Reina felt that Yuuta trusted Ayaka more than her and she felt frustrated by her own admission. Yuuta is also frustratingly naive thinking that Reina and Ayaka would hit it off when we see in the present Ayaka clearly not like Shinohara. Its naive to think that they would hit it off or not. Reina had clearly at least tried and asked him out on dates but he was also the one who rejected her while he was having his problems by being flippant. He sends her a text saying I wont be able to meet for a while and that's it. And they only meet up after the problems resolved and she sees that text.

Honestly at the end of the day, I realize I am in the minority in my thoughts and will just agree to disagree. Have a good one

 

[dexdoujinmanga]

This is why marriage is important.

 

[Freestyle]

So I re-read this whole story just so I had full context on the deciding factor for this entire mess being, "holding hands." Now I know Reina could have gotten pregnant but this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. I'd like to say I understand why my mom likes Soap Operas but those guys actually have sex when they cheat on each other.

Everything about this is dumb, and I don't just mean Reina, I mean EVERYTHING. We're in the realms of emotional cheating. She just wanted to see if she could have what Yuta and Ayaka has, which in her mind, hopefully wouldn't be cheating. But she wasn't in thier situation

Spoiler: what happens next

and she realized that and pushed that guy way.

But no i don't think she cheated. Did Yuuta emotinally cheat with Ayaka. No, but what he did do was distance himself from his girlfriend while spending time with Ayaka to deal with a problem in a group (Ayaka wasn't even apart of). And somehow for over a year didn't introduce his girlfriend to his best friend.

That is all to say, I get where both of them are coming from. No comunication from either side and if I was in either's shoes, imagining the worst isn understanable. and I get the hate for Reina because she was in a relationship so people think she should have tried harder before acting out.

But my problem with this story is that no one can conmmunicate and they all should lonely because they all fail at keeping clear and open relatinships. I get I'm reading a drama but everyboy is a red flag. Shinohara is a manic pixe girl stalker. Ayaka is this wierdo that constatly tests her relationship with Yuuta, even before he started dating Reina. And Reina is probably the most normal person here, next to Yuuta.

I know it would never happen but the actual mature thing for this story to do, would be fore Yuuta to end back up with Reina. For the two to actually talk to each other and for her to win out because she's the only person who can admit that she actually likes someone. But I won't be here for any ending because I aready wasted part of my weekend reading this train wreck. Also the pacing is ass, no way I coudl read this on its release schedual.

its really amazing how someone can type all that shit and get most of the timeline and facts wrong, were you drunk when you were reading this or something? Its not that complicated. Literalyl 90% of what you wrote never happened

 

[BalrogDeMorgoth]

Yes she was fine with it at the start thats the point as time went on as she talked more with natsuki even if it was to her detriment sent a lot of doubt and thats my point. Should she have talked with yuuta about this yes I'm not saying she was in the right either. He was down in getting them to meet but he was also naive in thinking that everything was okay and didnt do much outside of yeah we are just friends.

Yuuta said absolutely nothing when Reina saw the text of Ayaka when she texted the problem was fixed which was when she her doubts started to become more and more apparent.


And im not disagreeing with people who said she fucked up. But raking her over the coals over what amounts to a lack of communication and misunderstanding at least to me is crazy. Reina did have every opportunity to communicate but what happenes if every time she does she gets blocked by ayaka? Yuuta had already blocked her so its not like she had a lot of options in being able to tell her side of the story.


Yuuta is also at fault because he also didn't communicate much. Reina felt that Yuuta trusted Ayaka more than her and she felt frustrated by her own admission. Yuuta is also frustratingly naive thinking that Reina and Ayaka would hit it off when we see in the present Ayaka clearly not like Shinohara. Its naive to think that they would hit it off or not. Reina had clearly at least tried and asked him out on dates but he was also the one who rejected her while he was having his problems by being flippant. He sends her a text saying I wont be able to meet for a while and that's it. And they only meet up after the problems resolved and she sees that text.

Honestly at the end of the day, I realize I am in the minority in my thoughts and will just agree to disagree. Have a good one

At this point it's just obvious you're projecting your own fuck ups onto the story and can't handle that people know she was wrong because it would mean you were wrong too.

 

[Virtualplayer]

I looked at the web novel superficially, and damn, people on either sides of the Reina issue are not gonna like the upcoming arc.

There are prior comments here with spoiler tags for anyone curious, just scroll back a bit.

There is 1 spoiler I don't see anyone mention so I will:

Spoiler

Natsuki does not face any real consequences, at least not in the web novel version unless I missed it.

If one character deserved a hard fall, it's Natsuki.

I get it, she's Reina's friend, and owes MC nothing.

At the same time, she's pining for her own romance and I get the sense she's more than happy to derail his happiness, long or short term, partly because she has nothing (note the references to her name and the Moon in previous chaps).

The one character I think that gets absolutely less than what she deserves is the Kouhai. But she's carrying a torch for the mindless MC, so that's kinda excusable? Maybe?

No one else in this series is even likeable.

 

[Mordeurmine]

Nah, all of these comments are just simply crazy. Do we even read the same chapter??? Just switch up the fck*n role, imagine ur GF is the one who has a male best friend that just straight far superior than you instead. And furthermore, he chose to ask her for a help when he was in trouble instead of even mentioning anything to you, and you just found out by accident after it happened. Communication?? Straight asking him if he is cheating?? Asking him to just straight cut-off his best friend?? Most of these actions would not exactly do you any goods. Miscommunication happens all the time, there are a lot of things that can't be easily communicate with and are much better not to, no matter what kind of relationship you have. Can't even really blame her all that much, all she did was trying to test if she will feel guilty or not on a whim if she is the one having an opposite gender best friend instead. Honestly, this mange deserves harem route ending judging by how the story is being told this far.

FIRST THING FIRST, I'M SORRY. My answer is way longer then I ever excepted it to be. I'd honestly understand anyone not wanting to read it lol.
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See that's crazy here, everything that you wrote here is just all of the major reasons most couples go down the drain today.
Too much of it just don't make any sense here.

First, the "superior" part. Using this means that you consider that by any possible category the person you are talking about is just better then you at it. If that's the case, then the question would be "why aren't they going out then" ? Well idk, maybe because of something that we call Preferences.
Peoples have a lot more connections than what they think they do. And trust me between all of them there's for sure someone that is better then you at most of the things that you do rather it be look, money, job or w/e. Its the case for you, your familly, your friends, your neighbor AND your lover.

But then why hasn't everyone gone for those "perfect peoples" then ?

Well as I said before peoples have Preferences. Based on physical appearance, personality ,voice, smell ???(or whatever tickle their pickle) AND the past and souvenir they share with those peoples. Everyone share stories with anyone that is in their surrounding, either it be family, friends, neighbor or lovers. Based on those peoples are gonna show affection and reactions that are different depending of the peoples. Because that's what we call Human Relationships.
One cannot live by comparing itself to its surrounding, assuming that they are just "worth" less. Because this same worth is something that is earned by actions and that is purely subjective and unique between individuals.

Coming back to the story and taking what you said as example. Lets review all of it then:
-"he chooses to ask her for help" : Because its his best friend. Like you wrote before: "there are a lot of things that can't be easily communicate with and are much better not to" so its not surprising to talk about it with a friend that he knows for years then his 2month(more or less)Gf.

-"Communication?? Straight asking him if he is cheating?? Asking him to just straight cut-off his best friend?? Most of these actions would not exactly do you any goods. " : Yes it would FOR SURE have. Just going here, talking about how you just can't shake with her boyfriend being so much with his bestfriend and that you would've liked if he talked about it with you too wouldn't done the trick. That's it. Yes it isn't the easiest thing to talk about with your bf/gf but honestly if your relationship is so fragile that something like this breaks it then the issue isn't the best friend but the relationship itself.

"Can't even really blame her all that much, all she did was trying to test if she will feel guilty or not on a whim if she is the one having an opposite gender best friend instead.": Sadly yes we can, because its not only what you said. The man at the end clearly said "I'll never cheat on you like your boyfriend". So he clearly is shooting his shot (lovers wise) here. She knows it, AND SHE STILL took his hand and held it. She is not "testing an opposite gender best friend ". She is tho, cheating on her bf and testing if she feels guilty about it. And even if she really just wanted to be "best friend" with him, she AT BEST is manipulating her new "best friend" by taking his hand, making him think that his declaration was accepted.

So tldr(i'm using "you" here but its not specifically you its a general "you"):
- If you compare yourself to your mate's surrounding and are scared of them without any funded proofs: You're insecure af
- If you cannot talk about it and would rather try to take "revenge" on something non founded: Ya'll relation is garbage
- If you have a "test relationship" with someone else to test if you have feelings: You're a bad person and a cheating one
That's it for me, sorry again for the whole dictionnary

 

[Mordeurmine]

At this point it's just obvious you're projecting your own fuck ups onto the story and can't handle that people know she was wrong because it would mean you were wrong too.

istg I am 100% sure that peoples defending Reyna's actions are just projecting their own regretfull past actions into the character lol. That's why i like romance scans so much lol. Got too much bread to eat every drama there is

 

[HawkGoggles]

its really amazing how someone can type all that shit and get most of the timeline and facts wrong, were you drunk when you were reading this or something? Its not that complicated. Literalyl 90% of what you wrote never happened

I know this is bait when you can't even state one thing I got wrong but it's pretty impressive you could type at all.

 

[socalso]

Ok. I don't get how this is supposed to exonerate her at all. She got gaslit by her moron friend and some simp into second-guessing her relationship...without ever thinking to just talk it over directly with the boyfriend. At that point the relationship is basically already over anyways. What's there to talk about at this point?

 

[vali007]

So Natsuki is still a bitch despite everything, instead of saying why don't you try asking him, she put more doubt in her mind.

 

[KriegGuardsman]

Holy shit Natsuki fucking sucks. She helps fucking up the relationship only to harass the MC in repairing it? FUCK YOU!

 

[vali007]

Called that shit. Felt insecure about Yuuta and Ayaka friendship. Instead of just talking to him she did "an experiment"

This at least makes what his kouhai was saying seem plausible now, but the question she asked is still valid author no matter how you try to retcon. "When is it cheating?" If you have to ask.... then that's when.

Honestly.... this is kinda worse. She didn't cheat cause she caught feelings for someone else, she cheated to see if she could catch feelings or the beginning of them. Like....bro, does she not see how that is worse? Communicate your insecurities and watch Yuuta, another "perfect" mc do his damndest to make you feel secure again

It's funny because the MC keeps asking if she wants to meet her so that they could know each other, but she keeps deflecting to the point that it filled her with doubt if the MC truly likes her. Absolute "psycho woman moment".

 

[ExarchOfAfrica]

Ah, but you see, MC ASKED if she had a problem with it, and she said no. She said that he should value his friends and there was no problem with the way he was acting. I'm sure you would have a problem if your GF had a BFF who was male, but I'm sure you would actually let her know, right? Reina had NO reason to feel betrayed, because MC kept everything out in the open and actually asked for her feedback on how he was acting. As for keeping problems to himself and relying on Ayaka instead? Ever heard of getting the right person to fix a problem? Why bother and worry those around you if you know they can't really help you out with certain things? MC's problem was not that grave that he needed to tell all his loved ones about it, and him thanking Ayaka for her help doesn't mean he thinks Reina or any of his acquaintances are useless or unreliable.

Looking again I see you point, but don't like that we're not shown Reina's face as she's saying that. She seemed pressured (although not because of Yuuta) and that affirmation did not seem to reflect her true feelings. I'm likely expecting too much out of college students but he should have been able to tell she was uneased, even if her words expressed the opposite. As such I'll agree to disagree, although I assume we find common ground on despising Reina's junior "friend".

 

[ExarchOfAfrica]

Reina had absolutely no right to feel betrayed. Yuta asked for her input from the beginning... he wanted to know if texting a female friend crossed a line. She said no. If she later felt uncomfortable, it was on her to speak up and explain why. But she never did. She kept it to herself, yet somehow expected him to open up to her? Be real. You can’t say she had a right to feel betrayed when he was actively trying to understand her... trying to fix any issues before they became problems... and she never gave him that chance. Saying otherwise just ignores the facts.

The answer I gave to Chaos47 (above) is the same I throw to you. Should Yuuta have been able to tell that Reina's actions were betraying her words? I think yes, although I assume such wisdom is learned by experience (in this case, by having this relationship crumble die to escalating misunderstandings).

 

[poba]

page 30 cracked me up cause shes laying down depressed but her hair is frozen still like that

 

[sorausagi]

At this point it's just obvious you're projecting your own fuck ups onto the story and can't handle that people know she was wrong because it would mean you were wrong too.

istg I am 100% sure that peoples defending Reyna's actions are just projecting their own regretfull past actions into the character lol. That's why i like romance scans so much lol. Got too much bread to eat every drama there is

Yes it comes from experience I've experienced both sides of this kind of drama so I understand how both might see it.Not all relationships are happy fun times a lot of romance manga seem to depict.

Regardless since this discussion doesnt seem to be really moving anywhere I am just not gonna bother engaging any further have your self a good one

 

[LoupDeGarou]

the funny part about all these comments is 90% of you would lose your fucking minds if your girlfriend was constantly hanging out with a male best friend whom you perceived to be better than you, but keep coping lol

you shouldn't forget that most men wouldn't tell their gf that it's okay for her to hangout with a guy friend that much if she asked them if it's ok. that's the difference.
hell, most men wouldn't even date a girl that has such a close guy friend.