Kanojo ni Uwaki Sareteita Ore ga, Koakuma na Kouhai ni Natsukareteimasu - Ch. 31

[Lord_Ad5]

Bros name is Toyota?

 

[LyonRyez]

okey, i know that feel. so i can't judge anymore

 

[Freestyle]

istg I am 100% sure that peoples defending Reyna's actions are just projecting their own regretfull past actions into the character lol. That's why i like romance scans so much lol. Got too much bread to eat every drama there is

I've seen a lot of cheater justifications throughout my life, it always makes my blood boil because I personally believe its one of the worst things you can do to someone.

Here people keeping arguing that the action wasnt that bad but the timeline makes it infinitely worse. If Reina for example caught the MC like that with Ayaka, would she be feeling so calm? lol

 

[SunSun]

But no i don't think she cheated.

She goes out with a guy who straight out tells her he wants to be her boyfriend, to see if she'll catch feelings and you don't think that's cheating? Oh and again, it's the day before their anniversary.

Damn you're an enabler.

 

[SunSun]

Natsuki: "Guuuurl you deserve so much better, you deserve the princess treatment, dump him~"

 

[darkliondp]

The comments just show how detached the societal norms of the story are from the people making them and they are like 100% the driving factor of the conflict in this story. I've tried to talk about this in past comments but without understanding that those aren't "simple" handholds, let us not mention it being a finger locked, there can't be a reconcile on what its being transmitted.

The MC bypassing societal norms is a key point of his narrative but on his defense he has only been doing so much openly since the break up, before this he just had a really close female friend he was known from relying on and that's about it. If your girlfriend that you start having issues with stops a date midway after several days of not meeting, ghosts you when you try to patch things up thinking something might be at fault and then suddendly right around your anniversary date you find her fingerlocked with a random guy right around your house this is a big deal. He has a very valid crashout and ends the relationship. What else could they talk if all and any attempts were ignored up to that point? This question is related to when she was just there silently in front of his house. Why insist on trying to put him, who was been really transparent about most things going on, in a bad light?

Ayaka herself never went to his place or his club, barely hanged out with him outside of class because she was full into her own character development in her own club and even distanced a bit more when he started dating Reina because she knew her looks were a driving force to her own problems in the past, problems that had already involved him before in deep shit. They cared for each other in a very healthy and wholesome way and she tried to respect the societal norms during their university days just fine. She was trying to respect the expected ways of conduct.

The MC only starts to be "loose" after he's lost in thoughts when he embraced the caring senpai persona and allowed this completely stranger girl that was going through some similar shit to rely on him by letting her come to his place, cook, clean and even stay past a point and only because she insisted on that. She forced her way into his life. He never did this with Ayaka and while he was together with Reina she was the one coming to his place, cook, clean and even stay. It is safe to assume since they even bought groceries together that he was spending far more time with her than Ayaka during the active point of their romance.

Like Ayaka mentioned, they are friends, and she, much like Natsuki, only knew one side of the story. Ayaka never talked shit about Reina before the crashout because he never had doubts about their relationship but once they broke up and he declared she cheated, then Ayaka decided this had to be the truth because that's how she can protect her friend. She said this to the MCs face. I don't like Natsuki at all but she also took a one-sided stance but because Reina was having doubts during their relationship she acted like that one shitty friend you can find in most places that just talks shit without knowing the details. Natsuki gets validated on her own opinions because she only approaches the MC after he breaks up with her friend and sees his completely different way of conduct around people. It is also at this point that Ayaka approaches the MC actively because there's nothing wrong about it in a societal way.

Remember that incident when Ayaka crashes on the MCs place after they were buying the gift for the Kouhai? This is when Ayaka herself clashes with the MCs way of dealing with societal rules: if you have no girlfriend why is this girl that I don't know about (they shared a lot of information during evening calls up to this point) staying in your place so late at night?

The MC and Reina had stablished that handholding was something very special for the both of them, we never saw the MC and Ayaka bonding deeply like that during their university days. So when the MC sees that being broken with all the given context understood, "cheating" had happened. The story is about those boundaries on how the characters move around them flawed or not.

With all this said it should be clear that Reina really did wrong and her judgement was poor and flawed. I have but one critique to the MC and that is forgiving Natsuki even having all the context that she was playing him and Ayaka to put them on a bad light that never was to validate Reina's actions as her friend but then again he's not really good at keeping grudges considering he's been listening to Reina for the 4th time or so about this topic. Dude's just tired and want some emotional closure.

 

[18thMoon]

The answer I gave to Chaos47 (above) is the same I throw to you. Should Yuuta have been able to tell that Reina's actions were betraying her words? I think yes, although I assume such wisdom is learned by experience (in this case, by having this relationship crumble die to escalating misunderstandings).

That’s ridiculous. You’re expecting Yuuta, who’s been dating Reina for less than a year, to magically predict her actions or see through her words, instead of just having a direct conversation about what she’s okay with and what she’s not. Come on, that’s not fair.

Less than a month into the relationship, Reina finds out Yuuta has a female best friend. She asks if it’s a childhood friend, and he says no, she’s from high school. Then he follows up and asks, “Sorry, isn’t it probably better if I don’t text female friends as much?” Reina responds, “No, no, it’s fine. I was just a little curious,” and even tells him, “You should value your friends from high school as well.” Yuuta replies, “Oh, is that so? But I’ll refrain from it as much as I can. Right now, we’re watching a video together, right?”

In this moment, Yuuta is literally trying to show her respect. And yet, she gives him the green light to continue texting Ayaka. Again, this relationship is less than a month old, and he’s already checking in to see what she’s comfortable with. He wants her to feel secure around him, regardless of who he’s texting, because he genuinely doesn’t want to make her feel bad or like he’s doing something behind her back. That’s called respect.

But you’re expecting him to predict that she’s betraying her own words in a relationship that’s still brand new? That makes no sense.

Instead of being honest and saying, “Hey, maybe I am a little uncomfortable with how close you and Ayaka are,” Reina turns to her best friend, Natsuki. At the time, Natsuki doesn’t even know Yuuta, and the only advice she gives is, “In the eyes of society, two people of the opposite sex hanging out together is what you would call a date.” So not only is she offering judgment without context, but she also tells Reina, “You have to figure this out on your own.”

In other words, Natsuki does nothing to help Reina actually communicate or consider that Yuuta and Ayaka’s friendship might be innocent. All she does is fuel Reina’s jealousy and deepen her insecurity, convincing her that she’s somehow inferior to Ayaka—for no reason at all.

Then Reina sees a picture of Ayaka and realizes how pretty she is. But Yuuta’s reaction should be a dead giveaway that he’s not interested in her. Reina comments, “She seems like someone you can rely on.” And Yuuta responds, “If you two ever met, I’m sure you’d get along. If that happened, that would be the best.”

Even here, Yuuta is reassuring her. This is the second time he’s gone out of his way to make it clear that there’s nothing romantic going on between him and Ayaka. In fact, by his own words, he wants the two of them to meet. That’s not shady behavior—that’s openness.

And yet, at no point does Reina sit down and tell Yuuta that she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka. By the time we’re approaching their one-year anniversary in November, Reina sees that Yuuta has a lot going on. She starts feeling even more jealous, and instead of talking to him about it, she lets those feelings fester. The whole time, she’s longing to be someone Yuuta can rely on. She wants to be there for him—but she doesn’t follow through. She never takes her own advice.

Once again, when she’s struggling, she turns to Natsuki, not him. Around this time, she’s also preparing for a beauty pageant but ends up backing out. Why? Because she wanted to consult Yuuta about it but didn’t. That’s on her. She has these moments where she thinks about talking to him but never does. She never reaches out, never seeks his advice, never tells him something is wrong.

And yet you’re expecting him to predict that something’s wrong in a relationship that hasn’t even hit one year?

It’s not until their final date that she finally breaks down. She finds out Ayaka helped Yuuta solve a club-related issue, and that’s when she starts freaking out. But let’s be honest: there was no warning. Nothing leading up to this moment indicated she had a problem. If she had just told him from the beginning that she felt uneasy, this all could have been avoided.

But no—somehow, you're suggesting that Yuuta should have known that Reina's actions were betraying her words. What actions? During this entire year, she never showed any signs of jealousy, confusion, or sadness to him. Every time she had a problem, she turned to Natsuki—not him.

She never opened up when it mattered most. She had plenty of chances to say, “Hey, I want to be there for you too. I want to understand you.” But she didn’t. She held it all in. And now you’re saying Yuuta should’ve somehow predicted that? In a short-term relationship?

I’m sorry, but that’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. No one, not even someone deeply in love, can predict what their partner refuses to say.

 

[Kalbiaczek]

This is just a cheating fest everyone is cheating on everybody and these girls are easy AF

 

[Doutorfunga]

Is the author trying to gaslight us?

No. Even she still seems conflicted about it, and that junior was manipulative as hell

 

[phorx]

The biggest lie in this chapter is the statement that Natsuki is Reina’s friend. Natsuki was undermining Reina’s relationship and self confidence from day one.

 

[Vissions]

the funny part about all these comments is 90% of you would lose your fucking minds if your girlfriend was constantly hanging out with a male best friend whom you perceived to be better than you, but keep coping lol

Of course, that's why it was up to the ex to say something if her bf was to dense to realize what he was doing was hurting her. It was never his intention. She decided not to clear the air or mention her insecurities to him, and maybe convince him to set some boundaries with his friend. Instead she jumped to conclusions and gave in to her insecurities. Yes, the MC should have been more empathetic, and realize what he was doing, but he was dense. Sometimes you need to explain to people what actions they are doing that irritates you, because they may not realize what they are doing is bad. I know this from first hand experience.

 

[Ludd_]

So he really was a perfect boyfriend, an open book about everything and went the extra mile to make sure that his dumb ex was comfortable and satisfied.

Actually real, he instantly answered her questions about his female friend and even said he wanted them to meet

That is not what would happen if he was actually cheating

 

[ibuju]

Nah, all of these comments are just simply crazy. Do we even read the same chapter??? Just switch up the fck*n role, imagine ur GF is the one who has a male best friend that just straight far superior than you instead. And furthermore, he chose to ask her for a help when he was in trouble instead of even mentioning anything to you, and you just found out by accident after it happened. Communication?? Straight asking him if he is cheating?? Asking him to just straight cut-off his best friend?? Most of these actions would not exactly do you any goods. Miscommunication happens all the time, there are a lot of things that can't be easily communicate with and are much better not to, no matter what kind of relationship you have. Can't even really blame her all that much, all she did was trying to test if she will feel guilty or not on a whim if she is the one having an opposite gender best friend instead. Honestly, this mange deserves harem route ending judging by how the story is being told this far.

Because this manga is peak “good guy” fantasy. people say reina should do this or that. communicate this and that but mc is okay not doing that with many excuse like “ he is dense so its ok”. then why did mc break up without listening or talking to reina first ?because mc/selinsert-kun should feel hurt and never wrong. if mc was a woman and reina was a man the comments would definitely turn 180 degrees saying mc is a bitch

 

[HunterCO]

Lmao this ex couple is hilarious

 

[CommanderYammarkX6]

Because this manga is peak “good guy” fantasy. people say reina should do this or that. communicate this and that but mc is okay not doing that with many excuse like “ he is dense so its ok”. then why did mc break up without listening or talking to reina first ?because mc/selinsert-kun should feel hurt and never wrong. if mc was a woman and reina was a man the comments would definitely turn 180 degrees saying mc is a bitch

Again? a straw man argument alluding that people have a bias against women because they are rightfully calling out the stupidity of her actions due to her inability to communicate her insecurities.

if a character does something stupid they will get called out for it, that is it. The MC was already called out several times in the past chapters because there was no context and was doing same thing that he claimed that was done to him (hiding secrets from Ayaka). Now since we have it, it should be clear who's in the wrong here unless your reading comprehension is nonexistent or you have a bias in favor of women yourself.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Again? a straw man argument alluding that people have a bias against women because they are rightfully calling out the stupidity of her actions due to her inability to communicate her insecurities.

if a character does something stupid they will get called out for it, that is it. The MC was already called out several times in the past chapters because there was no context and was doing same thing that he claimed that was done to him (hiding secrets from Ayaka). Now since we have it, it should be clear who's in the wrong here unless your reading comprehension is nonexistent or you have a bias in favor of women yourself.

Yeah - I feel like that person is ignorant (willfully or otherwise) of a good chunk of the context of why Yuuta just broke up with Reina the day after without trying to talk.

Can't imagine thinking of Yuuta as a "good guy", though. Even if he's got much less of the blame for the relationship failing than Reina did, he's still a moron and has done dumb shit that should be and has been called out here.

 

[TNT261]

There's so many problems with this logic and umm, yeah it looks like for the most part it's being called out anyway. So I'll just say... why is everyone so fixated on "the opposite sex"? Like what is this 1900s England? For all you know people could be gay or bi or pan or whatever. What's it mean when two friends of the same sex hang out? What does it mean you go to your friends of the same sex with your relationship problems instead of talking it out with the OTHER PERSON IN THE RELATIONSHIP AND SUBJECT OF YOUR TROUBLESOME FEELINGS??

Ugh, I guess I am gonna talk a little about the BS. This is dumb. Her problem isn't (wasn't) even the idea that the MC might be considered to be dating Ayaka, it's that Ayaka is a better friend to him than she is a girlfriend to him. Big whoop. That's what happens when you know people for longer and feel closer to them. For crying out loud it's not like she (I really can't bother to remember the name of a character I just read a whole focal chapter about; this is just too idiotic for anything to actually stick), went to the MC about the troubles she was having. No, she went to her long time friend who knew her better and whom she felt more comfortable around. Should the MC get an inferiority complex over that and try to make her jealous by pretending to date someone else? Because that's all this explanation boils down. She felt jealous and inferior as a girlfriend thinking that she wasn't good enough at supporting her significant other (and honey, that shit needs to be said to a therapist; your primary role in a relationship IS NOT to be point guard for your SO. It's nice that you want to support them, but you shouldn't be so fixated on doing so that you become jealous when someone else in their life does it better; that's just toxic).

I desperately need the MC to call her out on her BS here. There's not a single leg she could ever hope to stand on. This IS a very textbook reason relationships fail: it goes by the colloquial name of "NOT-COMMUNICATING" (you have to yell it). But even then, what could be said here? Like okay, you feel inferior that someone else helps me with my problems more... and? What do you want me to do about that? Not go to the person I'm most comfortable around when I'm having a serious issue? There's nothing necessarily romantic there and even if there was it's actually made pretty clear that, that isn't the ex-girlfriends issue. The ex-girlfriend understood and believed that she wasn't being cheated on, she just felt inferior and jealous. So what if Ayaka was a male friend? Or his sister? Or his mother for Pete's sake? Regardless of who Ayaka was, the new GF he just got wasn't going to be able to solve or help him solve a serious problem in life. It's just reality that he wouldn't be as comfortable around her as someone he knew for longer.

Seriously, what was the author thinking with this story? Because it because obliterates the entire premise. I mean I guess it doesn't really matter, but it just makes it all... dumb. And this whole side plot feels kinda worthless.

 

[18thMoon]

Of course, that's why it was up to the ex to say something if her bf was to dense to realize what he was doing was hurting her. It was never his intention. She decided not to clear the air or mention her insecurities to him, and maybe convince him to set some boundaries with his friend. Instead she jumped to conclusions and gave in to her insecurities. Yes, the MC should have been more empathetic, and realize what he was doing, but he was dense. Sometimes you need to explain to people what actions they are doing that irritates you, because they may not realize what they are doing is bad. I know this from first hand experience.

That’s actually not true. Yuuta made two key efforts to calm Reina’s doubts and show that there was nothing romantic between him and Ayaka. He wasn’t dodging the issue—he addressed it directly, both early in the relationship and later on, when Reina’s insecurities resurfaced.

Point 1: Yuuta’s First Attempt to Reassure Her

When Reina first brings up Ayaka, Yuuta doesn’t get defensive. He immediately checks in with her, asking if it’s better that he stop texting female friends. He’s trying to meet her halfway. When she says it’s fine, he still tells her he’ll try to refrain anyway—even though she told him he didn’t have to. That’s his first clear attempt at reassurance.

Then Reina sees a picture of Ayaka and realizes how pretty she is. But Yuuta’s response should be a dead giveaway that he’s not interested in her. Reina comments, “She seems like someone you can rely on.” And Yuuta responds, “If you two ever met, I’m sure you’d get along. If that happened, that would be the best.”

Point 2: Yuuta’s Second Reassurance—Clearer Than Ever

Even here, Yuuta takes it a step further. He’s not just brushing off her jealousy—he’s saying he wants them to meet. If he were hiding something, this would be the last thing he’d want. It’s another clear gesture meant to ease Reina’s mind and show that there’s nothing inappropriate happening between him and Ayaka.

So that’s two separate moments where Yuuta is doing his best to reassure Reina, both with his actions and his words. Not once is he dismissive. Not once does he ignore her concerns. He’s being transparent, respectful, and thoughtful.

And yet, at no point does Reina sit down and tell Yuuta that she’s uncomfortable with how close he is to Ayaka. By the time we’re approaching their one-year anniversary in November, Reina sees that Yuuta has a lot going on. She starts feeling even more jealous, and instead of talking to him about it, she lets those feelings fester. The whole time, she’s longing to be someone Yuuta can rely on. She wants to be there for him—but she doesn’t follow through. She never takes her own advice.

The only person at fault here is Reina, not Yuuta.

 

[Shane.Aoibh]

ngl, i understand Reina's feeling on getting jealous and stuff
but her solution is not the best that could have been done, such a weird way of thinking that your response on it is to "experiment if she'd feel guilty"
yes the junior is mostly at fault, basically getting into her head and stuff, but Reina is also partly to blame
but that doesn't mean you can't sympathise with Reina, you absolutely can

 

[Virtualplayer]

Ayaka is not completely scot-free. It's clear she knew in her mind "I can take him at any time" and was very much in that mood when they took the trip. That's arrogance in several ways. You may be hot s--t, but the fact that you're 100 percent confident you take anyone out of an existing relationship with a Thanos Finger Snap? Wow, just wow. And to what end? So as much as folks dislike Reina (including me), women have that instinctive sense of when what's theirs is threatened.

Like I said, hardly anyone aside from the Kouhai is really likeable in this series. The MC could honestly stand to define his relationship bright lines more - but then again, the classic excuse is most men are clueless - and they are. The eminent question is when will men start thinking like that in order to improve their relationships? Well, the smart ones figure it out after the first breakup, when they do an internal post-mort and conclude root cause. The rest end up in a ho-hum marriage or a series of round-robin divorces, all the while saying to themselves, "it can't be me, I just have bad luck."

Unfortunately for all of us, this waterboarding will continue if you've read the Web Novel, and yes, it can and does get worse for the invested audience anyway. If you thought some really insensible choices have been made in the last Thirty Chapters, well, hold on to your butts as they say in Jurassic Park.