There's No Way I Can Draw Yuri Manga! - Oneshot

[ZGunhiko-]

This is probably the first time I've seen a manga outright say lesbianism is different from yuri.

It's true though. Most yuri is as described, blushy wushy highscool girls (or younger) going "U-uwaaah b-b-but we're both girls Machi-senpaaai! Uwaah my heart is going doki doki at the touch of your hands in mine!"

Nothing like actual lesbians, the lesbian experience and being a lesbian which many g.i.r.l.s (guys in real life, whom of which are usually men named Alice or Lilith with CS degress) like to think it is.

I read a shit ton of yuri and the amount of characters who are described or referred to as lesbians are few and far between. Contrast this with Korean and Chinese works which use the word much more frequently. The Japanese don't necessarily see yuri (and BL for that matter) through LGBT lenses like we do here in the West.

That point wasn't anything to do with Yuri being a accurate representation of queer identity or anything relating to real life lesbian experience. Saying yuri ≠ lesbianism is like saying yuri isn't queer media and that feels wrong. Lesbianism isn't just about real life lesbians, its about homosexuality in women in general which includes media. Because even if there isn't any discussion or mentions of queer identity or struggles that doesn't make it any less gay since yuri is still fundamental about romantic relationship between women(i don't care for intense non-romantic feelings thing, that's not yuri which could be a language barrier thing but most people in the yuri circle dont use it to mean that). I would agree with your sentiments if that statement was yuri ≠ lesbain experience/life but its not that, the statement is yuri isn't lesbianism/gay. I'm repeating myself but yuri is lesbian media no matter how you say it.

Also as someone who has also read alot of yuri bullshit to your point of about few characters being referred as lesbians it depends on what genre you're in. Adult life and angst yuri mentions sexuality a lot more than school life and wholesome yuri, you also get a lot drama surrounding the gayness in those genre too. It just depends on what target demographic you're in.

 

[olivetho]

That point wasn't anything to do with Yuri being a accurate representation of queer identity or anything relating to real life lesbian experience. Saying yuri ≠ lesbianism is like saying yuri isn't queer media and that feels wrong. Lesbianism isn't just about real life lesbians, its about homosexuality in women in general which includes media. Because even if there isn't any discussion or mentions of queer identity or struggles that doesn't make it any less gay since yuri is still fundamental about romantic relationship between women(i don't care for intense non-romantic feelings thing, that's not yuri which could be a language barrier thing but most people in the yuri circle dont use it to mean that). I would agree with your sentiments if that statement was yuri ≠ lesbain experience/life but its not that, the statement is yuri isn't lesbianism/gay. I'm repeating myself but yuri is lesbian media no matter how you say it.

Also as someone who has also read alot of yuri bullshit to your point of about few characters being referred as lesbians it depends on what genre you're in. Adult life and angst yuri mentions sexuality a lot more than school life and wholesome yuri, you also get a lot drama surrounding the gayness in those genre too. It just depends on what target demographic you're in.

i think they just mean it in the same sense that "straight romance ≠ heterosexuality" - one is a full-fledged story theme, the other is usually just a porn category. lesbianism is just the sexual part, yuri includes the entire romance (and the not-quite-romance-yet) and relationship dynamics on top of it - with or without the sexual element (depends on age rating mostly) - all that matters is that the two characters (or more) involved are female.

 

[olivetho]

don't scare me like that ringheligh, i thought for a second that it's gonna be like hachirumi all over again (i still miss them, and think about them every time i see a boy wearing a dress in a manga ).

gl with your exam!

 

[ZGunhiko-]

i think they just mean it in the same sense that "straight romance ≠ heterosexuality" - one is a full-fledged story theme, the other is usually just a porn category. lesbianism is just the sexual part, yuri includes the entire romance (and the not-quite-romance-yet) and relationship dynamics on top of it - with or without the sexual element (depends on age rating mostly) - all that matters is that the two characters (or more) involved are female.

I can see your point with that, they might have meant yuri ≠ sex but it still doesn't mean that with current word choice which is why I mention language barrier since I don't know what the og Japanese was but i doubt they meant that. There is Akane mentions moe relationships like cute girls doing cute things and subtext genre and they also talk about erotic content separate from the lesbiansim comment which makes me believe it wasn't factoring in sex when saying yuri ≠ lesbianism. If the comment was something more akin to you don't need to be a lesbian or queer to make yuri it would be fine which meant be the case.

 

[3leaves2]

Yuri ≠ lesbianism is so wild

the struggle is real

 

[Donirexian]

waow the author of my favorite het manga writing a yuri manga! also is that mokou in the credits lmao

I think this explains why the yuri ≠ lesbianism was even brought up lol

 

[Orangechrisy]

That point wasn't anything to do with Yuri being a accurate representation of queer identity or anything relating to real life lesbian experience. Saying yuri ≠ lesbianism is like saying yuri isn't queer media and that feels wrong. Lesbianism isn't just about real life lesbians, its about homosexuality in women in general which includes media. Because even if there isn't any discussion or mentions of queer identity or struggles that doesn't make it any less gay since yuri is still fundamental about romantic relationship between women(i don't care for intense non-romantic feelings thing, that's not yuri which could be a language barrier thing but most people in the yuri circle dont use it to mean that). I would agree with your sentiments if that statement was yuri ≠ lesbain experience/life but its not that, the statement is yuri isn't lesbianism/gay. I'm repeating myself but yuri is lesbian media no matter how you say it.

Also as someone who has also read alot of yuri bullshit to your point of about few characters being referred as lesbians it depends on what genre you're in. Adult life and angst yuri mentions sexuality a lot more than school life and wholesome yuri, you also get a lot drama surrounding the gayness in those genre too. It just depends on what target demographic you're in.

Also with the "Yuri is more of a fantasy" line and linking that to the trope of only women in the world makes it feel like its kinda a decade out of date in terms of yuri knowledge. Like, sure there's still a fair amount of yuri that conforms to "no saying the word lesbian" and "no men allowed", but like c'mon the author's gotta know there's way way more than that. (And related, the yuri published in sci-fi mags are because they have sci-fi themes, not because they are worlds with only women). Maybe the author did know this and was just trying to create a dumbass for a character, hopefully...

 

[Manko-sensei]

For terms, refer to what GoggledAnon said, but I see sense of humour is clearly lacking in this comment section! It seems this old panel is now forgotten:

 

[tranhere]

That was a cute and fun read lol

 

[Necronauta]

Did not need to read this at 6 in the morning, what a way to start my day

 

[asaa_]

Girl i needed more what was that