Yachiru-san wa Homeru to Nobiru - Vol. 2 Ch. 7.2

[Substitution]

I feel like maybe I should've kept to myself because this only got people arguing more... I still don't fully understand nor see any of this the way some people did with the whole SA thing (but I guess as long as what I said isn't complete nonsense maybe it's fine that I don't), but also I feel very weirded out by certain other comments that were arguing against it...

There's no need to worry about big fights.

I'm not going to argue with strangers for no reason, so just block/ignore people who are rude and put bad reactions on your sincere posts.

You were correct. Through some combination of reading comprehension, memory, social skills, and intellect you found a best interpretation for the manga chapter.

Then because you saw many people finding consensus over a nonsensical interpretation, you began to doubt yourself. This self-doubt comes from our desire to fit in to society the same as the unity over a bad consensus might.

It's a good thing you reached out over it, so reassure your instincts that they could be trusted this time.

 

[Mr_P1759]

I don't get it, just have seggs and be done with it

 

[JVick]

I feel like maybe I should've kept to myself because this only got people arguing more... I still don't fully understand nor see any of this the way some people did with the whole SA thing (but I guess as long as what I said isn't complete nonsense maybe it's fine that I don't), but also I feel very weirded out by certain other comments that were arguing against it...

You doomed us all.

 

[Caribou31]

There's no need to worry about big fights.

I'm not going to argue with strangers for no reason, so just block/ignore people who are rude and put bad reactions on your sincere posts.

You were correct. Through some combination of reading comprehension, memory, social skills, and intellect you found a best interpretation for the manga chapter.

Then because you saw many people finding consensus over a nonsensical interpretation, you began to doubt yourself. This self-doubt comes from our desire to fit in to society the same as the unity over a bad consensus might.

It's a good thing you reached out over it, so reassure your instincts that they could be trusted this time.

Yeah, reject thinking, embrass following alpha culture...

You are the proof that evolution is an random mechanism, no intelligent creator would have build you.

 

[Caribou31]

Yeah I just get very mixed feels from this. Like if he didn't want things to go this way I don't really get the whole, yknow, him saying all he said and going with her up until now. At most I can think that maybe he didn't expect her to go this far this fast. Feel like he was also probably at least a bit uncomfortable with his own reaction to all of it, but the way he acts afterwards is not the reaction someone that just got SA'd would have, right? To me at least that sounds a lot more severe than what this is supposed to be? He just rushes to clean himself, does not feel negative at all about her, isn't bothered by Yachiru touching him right away, then tries to make sure that Yachiru and him are on the same page with things...which sort of seems like it still isn't the case, with Yachiru seemingly being a bit weird? It's either that she doesn't really understand him because to her they're closer than he thinks (he hasn't processed the confession). Or she has some sort of past that affected her view of these things (possible, with how she seemed to act regarding lewd things and men in the first chapters). Anyways, I felt like all that's happened is that they just weren't on the same page regarding their current situation and each had a different pace for things in mind. They cleared that much up now however.

You’re trying to challenge your own perspective and seek understanding—that’s the best thing a person can do.

From my point of view, what makes you doubt this is an assault is the assumption that going to a love hotel equals consent to anything. That’s false, both in this case and in real life. Any party can ask to stop at any time, without needing to justify themselves.

It’s like saying a woman wearing a miniskirt is asking for sex, or that in a relationship, a woman can’t refuse sex. Or imagine if you were in the same situation and someone inserted a dildo in your ass without your consent.

As for the reaction afterward, it might not seem plausible, like you say,a realistic response to sexual assault, but don’t underestimate the power of social pressure. It’s the same pressure that makes victims feel shame instead of anger.

 

[Ally04]

The 'you should respect your body & yourself more' is all good but why is it coming from the one molested ?

This topic surely wont come from the molester bruh

 

[JVick]

Edit : I'll stop here.

 

[cadaada]

This topic surely wont come from the molester bruh

No, but neither from the molested if we reversed genders, but its a discussion no one really wants to have, just think its brave the author touched on male rape for once.


Anyway, like the other guy said, theres a reason japanese are going extinct, but i think that about manga. This type of writing is the reason manhua/manhwa are getting more popular in the west.

 

[HOMIZAPEINS]

imagine if you were in the same situation and someone inserted a dildo in your ass without your consent.

I wish I hadn't imagined that.

 

[Karoo13]

From my point of view, what makes you doubt this is an assault is the assumption that going to a love hotel equals consent to anything.

Nah he said he is really excited and likes to get crushed and be unable to escape, in that situation. You cant fault her for interpreting that as consent to keep going. Maybe she should have stopped 1 panel earlier but he really did ask for it.
For your dildo analogy it would be like you are pinned down and see a dildo on the bed next to you, and say "it would be really hot if i were taken in the ass by force and i couldnt stop it", you are a moron if you didnt want it shoved up your ass right then.
So my reading of this was he gave verbal consent by accident because he was overwhelmed, and like he says in page 1 he cant be mad at her for what she did. As for whether its SA, it doesnt matter that he said to stop because he didnt mean to consent in the first place. But not a crime since unless you are reading his internal monologue it would be entirely reasonable to interpret what he said as consent.
Why people are mad at this is probably that his given reasoning was that he is worried about her, not himself. Very similar to dense mc not realizing he was just confessed to, telling the girl to treasure herself more and find someone who really cares about her. Though in this case the plot is about fighting her lewd self-image so it makes sense to be worried.

 

[3therflux]

I think it bears to keep in mind that while Seiichiro is attracted to Yachiru, he has been notably uncomfortable and conflicted from even before they entered the hotel, having been caught offguard by Yachiru's sudden advance and enthusiasm(which I doubted he could even suspect to come from her with how she acted before).

To use that dildo analogy that someone above used (hilarious that's somehow a thing in the first place by the way), it's like a man talking to his girlfriend about hypothetically trying out anal, and she pulls out a strap-on and started pegging him with zero hesitation. While the two care about each other, and they are in bed together, the man had honestly expected to mostly cuddle and talk.

It's not a relationship-ruining thing if you're already into each other, and Seiichiro already realized that his mixed feelings also led to him giving equally mixed signals to Yachiru, who is very ignorant to her faux pas, so he instead tried to make his stance clear by appealing to Yachiru's empathy. Thankfully, as she is normally a very considerate woman, he did succeed.

I wouldn't say it's like peak writing, but it's generally not a bad course of events. It's more intriguing that it happened at all in the first place, in my opinion—that's what's rather novel about it.

 

[Blergggg]

I get this is about consent and yes, you have the right to say stop at any point. But she was literally saying 'I like doing perverted things with you so please do them with me too', that's about as clear consent as you can give, don't be such an herbavore

 

[Ally04]

No, but neither from the molested if we reversed genders, but its a discussion no one really wants to have, just think its brave the author touched on male rape for once.


Anyway, like the other guy said, theres a reason japanese are going extinct, but i think that about manga. This type of writing is the reason manhua/manhwa are getting more popular in the west.

It wont come from either parts, even if we do not revert the genders. I Did not say that the molester should be the One to say it, i just joked what the person sais.